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So this is how Nintendo expects us to use headsets and voice chat on Switch
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molnizzle
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I don't think they have the memory or CPU cycles to spare. Most of the Switch's hardware is allocated to the games themselves. Presumably that's why they went with this setup in first place.
As for me personally, my fancy wireless headset has game audio piped in from my TV's optical port. I'll only need to plug the headset into my phone for chat. Still an extra layer of hassle compared to PS4, but not nearly as bad as this crazy ass solution.
the point you wound up at is the point you continue to defend - that they try and do different for the sake of different. i don't think you were trying to take a cheap shot at anything. i am just saying that different for the sake of different is not a logical conclusion to arrive at. incompetence and lack of experience in certain areas? that makes more sense.
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
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I get that other consoles have a superior method and use it regularly, but this simply changes my usage case from plugging headphones into a controller to now plugging headphones into a phone. Other than that I'll use it in the same way as can anybody else. It's not such a radically different approach to warrant so much outrage imo.
Nintendo expects Switch owners to already have a smartphone.
Shortsighted? Forward thinking? Either way downloading an app in 2017 is not 'far more effort'
I don't really see why we need to bring sales into this discussion though, we're talking about QoL solutions here, and yeah it probably won't mean shit in the long run. In fact I didn't think the Switch would start off so strong since the reveal was so lackluster and they made baffling decisions like this one (the paid online service which they have yet to explain in detail and the online app that outsources stuff the console should be able to do), but the market proved me wrong and Switch is selling like fucking hotcakes, which is nice for the industry and also me as I plan to get one, but this convoluted voice chat argument is unrelated to sales.
Are you telling me the vita has the resources for voice chat but somehow a 2017 console doesn't? lol.....
The pads use Bluetooth, it really shouldn't be hard for Nintendo to implement drivers for Bluetooth headsets.
Yeah but you would still need your phone for voice chat. I don't think there are any bluetooth devices that allow a simultaneous connection to both your phone and the Switch. Offloading voice chat to the phone will make all setups very cumbersome.
ZombiePlatypus
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I was actually on board with what they were initially proposing as I pictured a small phone headset with a mic (the kind that come packed with smartphones) simultaneously plugging into a phone via some tiny adapter/dongle along with the Switch. Phone would have been in pocket, headphone on and Switch in hand. I thought the adapter would be just barely big enough to accomadate headphone and Switch wires plugging into it, and the adapter itself would directly plug into phones without needing it's own cord.
This is instead using a regular gaming headset, and adding a bigger, separate adapter thing that's more or less phone sized?
It's weird and I don't see the benefit, but we're only seeing what Hori is proposing. I'll wait for the whole picture directly from Nintendo before writing this off.
This is instead using a regular gaming headset, and adding a bigger, separate adapter thing that's more or less phone sized?
It's weird and I don't see the benefit, but we're only seeing what Hori is proposing. I'll wait for the whole picture directly from Nintendo before writing this off.
Pretty much in the same position. Not saying I think voice chat not being done natively on the Switch is great, but that's something we've pretty much known about for ages.
People here seem to be jelly.
I mean, this Splatoon-style adapter is so damn cute. I will buy it. Love my Switch.
And honestly, how boring is this setup:
Brb opening a new thread called:
"My SO and me had so much fun with USF2. Is this the best game you ever got for 40$?"
Charles Brandon
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I understand that the Switch can't do bluetooth audio for whatever reason
...but why can't the headphones at least take the audio from the phone through bluetooth and mix it with the wired audio from the switch internally and without an additional box. They are custom made for this purpose after all. That way you wouldn't need the extra box and would need only one cable, Nintendo would would get their voice chat-through-the-phone-only requirement filled and the whole thing would be much neater.
That's still possible, right? If someone builds something like that.
...but why can't the headphones at least take the audio from the phone through bluetooth and mix it with the wired audio from the switch internally and without an additional box. They are custom made for this purpose after all. That way you wouldn't need the extra box and would need only one cable, Nintendo would would get their voice chat-through-the-phone-only requirement filled and the whole thing would be much neater.
That's still possible, right? If someone builds something like that.
DrROBschiz
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Nintendo seems intent to offload all effort onto someone else
Be it DeNA and this shit solution, to their staff that has to spin and explain this shit, to the consumer that has to come up with how to get this all to function comfortably
Any defense of this is asinine
old manatee
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The should not use a phone app in the first place. They could have a setup that's almost as good as other system, but chose to do this stupid shit.
molnizzle
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I'm saying Sony made sure to allocate those resources when the Vita launched. There's a portion set aside for OS functions that games can't tap into. Every console does thisit's why PS4 devs can only use something like 5GB of memory despite the system itself having 8GB. Some of the juice is reserved for stuff like background voice chat.
As far as I'm aware, most of the Switch's resources are allocated to the games themselves. Nintendo didn't set aside much of it for OS functions. That's why it's so barebones in the first place. The Switch doesn't have much power to begin with, so Ninty decided to give most of it to the games. This is the aftermath of that decision.
Audio Jack (Number 6): For connecting commercially available headphones, microphones or headsets.
https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Nintendo-Switch/Specifications/Specifications-1176277.html#1
So fucking true.
LumpOfCole
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I do not understand how Nintendo just doesn't release a phone-holding JoyCon grip like this with all the functionality build into the unit. Maybe there would be a couple short weird 3.5 mm male-male cords but it wouldn't be a monstrosity.
Okami Haundo
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I think it's worth pointing out that once again, that's your personal take on things. Second, it isn't as simple as just plugging headphones into your phone if you want game + chat audio from the same source. Plenty of people have gaming headsets that combine the two (and possibly have noise cancelling features) which means they'd then need a smartphone and the adapter to use this. That's also only a solution if you're playing in portable mode.
I do agree that in the long run, this probably won't hurt the console overall as much as a thread like this would make you believe. This is a forum for gaming enthusiasts and as a result we're only going to get that perspective.
We're talking about a software feature here, not hardware. Switch could be as powerful as the PS4 and still not offer built-in party chat if Nintendo couldn't find a way to do it.
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
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I mean I'm picturing having a single earbud in, much like gaming headsets only have a singular earpiece...
I get personal preference sure, fine, handheld audio is obviously far superior through headphones, but it the theoretical other examples I don't get.
Family are asleep so I have to mute the TV... but I can still speak out loud whilst in voice chat! Like you can either make noise or you can't. If you can this isn't a big deal, if you really can't you wouldn't be voice chatting anyway.
Reckheim
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what are you even talking about? You can disable notifications.
DrROBschiz
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Yup the switch itself has 3 Band Audio for Mic Input
And isnt using it for some obscene reason
Thats the true elegant solution.
As for docked play? Use Bluetooth or Wireless USB dongle like the competition uses
guybrushfreeman
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As far as we know from reports the Switch OS uses more RAM and processor time than the Vita OS does so that makes no sense
boiled goose
good with gravy
Dont buy it sorry.
You seem to care about branding so much. 90 percent of switch marketing is aimed at Young adults.
This implementation does nothing to save them from another non scandal.
Sho_Nuff82
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User data (vs purchaser data) usually becomes more readily available as the generation/console matures.
Also, citation needed.
Wii/PS3/360 user data from 2008:
Nintendo JP official demographic chart (2008):
To parse the second graph, it would appear that (as of 10 years ago), Nintendo's 3 largest age user groups were 10, 11, and 12, but the majority of users on the platform were well over the age of 25.
I did find this for iPhone vs iPod touch users (2009):
Keep in mind that Apple stopped reporting iPod sales in 2015, as the iPhone has made it redundant, even at the low end.
Mobile gaming exploded between 2007 (introduction of iPhone) and 2010:
Minors make up the majority of mobile game players.
It's difficult to find mobile trend data - most surveys only hit people 18 and up.
EatinOlives
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You don't have to speak that loud at all for voice chat. Why ARE you attempting to poke holes in people's actual use cases for headphones?
Meh most people don't care about how it affects sales, which it likely won't at all. They're more mad about how asinine the whole thing is.
How about they just put native voice chat in the OS and save themselves all the trouble to begin with.
Well that is certainly an awkward solution. Couldn't a wireless solution be realized here? Pretty much every phone is Bluetooth compatible, and the Switch is as well. Perhaps attach a Bluetooth adapter to the Switch (via 3.5mm jack), enable Bluetooth on phone (perhaps Nintendo app to allow chat/audio?), and should be good to go.
This is not exactly my field of work, so I probably missed some technicality for this not to be an option. Unless Bluetooth's signal strength cannot carry both audio and chat? /shrug
The proposed solution, though, seems cumbersome.
This is not exactly my field of work, so I probably missed some technicality for this not to be an option. Unless Bluetooth's signal strength cannot carry both audio and chat? /shrug
The proposed solution, though, seems cumbersome.
ThanksVision
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Let me be clear that I am not defending this stupid convoluted setup. As maddening and disappointing as this is, I do not think this will be a big deal ultimately. Nintendo first party multiplayer games have existed without proper voicechat in the past (I realize there are some outliers), and will basically remain the same now. It sucks, but like... I never really used voicechat on my nintendo consoles before and they were almost always my primary console. What nintendo games were you guys playing last gen that had voicechat?
I am pretty upset that we won't have it, considering I thought the Switch would finally get it right. But in not getting it right, the Switch's online functionality is gonna be pretty much the same as it has been for previous Nintendo consoles: voiceless. So for me, it's disappointing that they didn't fix this issue and build it into the system, but I also don't think this is gonna be a huge issue for most people as it's something Nintendo has been missing forever.
I am pretty upset that we won't have it, considering I thought the Switch would finally get it right. But in not getting it right, the Switch's online functionality is gonna be pretty much the same as it has been for previous Nintendo consoles: voiceless. So for me, it's disappointing that they didn't fix this issue and build it into the system, but I also don't think this is gonna be a huge issue for most people as it's something Nintendo has been missing forever.
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Deleted member 752119
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Exactly. You don't have to yell. I mean I could play with the speaker volume low too, but that sucks. I use headphones so I can have the game audio loud. But that doesn't mean I have to talk loud for people to hear me.
ShadowFox08
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Uhh not everyone is an android or apple is user. For sure windows won't be supported. Also, secondly ae don't want to waste our phone battery in docked mode?
DrROBschiz
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What nintendo games were you guys playing last gen that had voicechat?
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate on the WiiU
EatinOlives
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Exactly. I've played with friends who have kids, and we play plenty of times late at night when the kid is asleep, he has to talk in a low voice so as to not wake her up but I can still hear him just fine.
I think the idea of using a external app for voice is ridiculous, but with using bluetooth headphones with your smartphone. it becomes much more reasonable. A inconvenience rather than poor function. Still, once they see the backlash from this, they should abandon this approach and implement true voice chat. All it takes it a patch for old games and the new approach for new games. Also, it's not the end of the world and the routine Switch outrage really needs to calm down.
molnizzle
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I mean, the Switch also has significantly more RAM and CPU power compared to the Vita. It makes sense.
The point is that Nintendo didn't reserve enough of it with the Switch. And they're not the most efficient engineers when it comes to this stuff anyway.
Sho_Nuff82
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http://www.gsma.com/publicpolicy/wp.../GSMA_Childrens_use_of_mobile_phones_2014.pdf
2014 data on mobile internet use among children.
Interestingly, as of 2014, at age 12, more than 50 per cent of European children surveyed access the mobile internet, compared to only 26 per cent of those in Japan.
2014 data on mobile internet use among children.
Interestingly, as of 2014, at age 12, more than 50 per cent of European children surveyed access the mobile internet, compared to only 26 per cent of those in Japan.
User data (vs purchaser data) usually becomes more readily available as the generation/console matures.
Also, citation needed.
Wii/PS3/360 user data from 2008:
Nintendo JP official demographic chart (2008):
To parse the second graph, it would appear that (as of 10 years ago), Nintendo's 3 largest age user groups were 10, 11, and 12, but the majority of users on the platform were well over the age of 25.
I did find this for iPhone vs iPod touch users (2009):
Keep in mind that Apple stopped reporting iPod sales in 2015, as the iPhone has made it redundant, even at the low end.
Mobile gaming exploded between 2007 (introduction of iPhone) and 2010:
Minors make up the majority of mobile game players.
It's difficult to find mobile trend data - most surveys only hit people 18 and up.
gotta include that with the wii sales declining and 3ds having its ups and downs, nintendo shifted their strategy to try to grab an older demographic. Whicfh is also why all the switch commercials have shown people in their 20s almost exlcusively.
constantstatic
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This is the most reasonable explanation for the app I could think of. It's still not very elegant and they want to charge money for the service.
ThanksVision
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Ahh, I never played that one, but that is huge indeed. Damn, I was thinking about getting MH XX for Switch as well, but I feel like partying up in a game like that is contingent on voicechat... Hopefully they do come up with a seamless way to do voicechat wirelessly. I just want Nintendo to be transparent in why they decided to do it this way, but I realize that will likely not happen.
guybrushfreeman
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make anymore. The Switch has the resources for voice chat but Nintendo aren't skilled enough to use them?
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