Miyomoto is balls deep when it comes to this type of shit. I'm glad Aonuma is more level headed.
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So uhhh Aonuma just admitted Wii U GamePad disrupts gameplay...
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Miyomoto is balls deep when it comes to this type of shit. I'm glad Aonuma is more level headed.
DragonSworne
Banned
I don't have to look away from my screen when I pause.
With the gamepad I now have to pause, look down, manipulate a touchscreen, then look back up, and unpause.
I never felt like the Gamepad was convenient.
I love the gamepad and especially in Zelda...
I don't care if I have to switch back and forth, it gives the feeling to really be looking down at a map, AND there's even less stuff on the TV screen. I switch mini maps off in every games that give the option because otherwise I can't help but look at it all the time and it kills the immersion a bit.
At least, give players the option...
I don't care if I have to switch back and forth, it gives the feeling to really be looking down at a map, AND there's even less stuff on the TV screen. I switch mini maps off in every games that give the option because otherwise I can't help but look at it all the time and it kills the immersion a bit.
At least, give players the option...
Spring-Loaded
Member
A much more well thought out statement, Aonuma
But how do they move away from it? there'll probably be a screen on the NX controller
But how do they move away from it? there'll probably be a screen on the NX controller
It feels intentionally disruptive in Splatoon. If you're looking at your map to get a tactical advantage, you gonna get splatted
andrerobot
Member
No shit, Aonuma.
Joegrine_TT
Member
He didnt make star fox zero tho...........do you people think that miyamoto makes all nintendo games or sumtin?
John Kowalski
Banned
Well, yeah, that's always been apparent. I think ZombiU even took advantage of that.
Second screen is a pretty nice idea to be honest, i'd like to see them iterate on it even if just with their handhelds.
Second screen is a pretty nice idea to be honest, i'd like to see them iterate on it even if just with their handhelds.
RomanceDawn
Member
I remember being in high school, it was right before the Gamecube released or right after, Miyamoto was talking about how he wished consoles weren't tethered to tv's. I'm certain it was mainly his idea.
I like the gamepad in the Zelda remakes and I like it in Star Fox. If it doesn't work for the new Zelda than no problem with that.
SerTapTap
Member
Why are people bringing up gyro aiming? Why do people ALWAYS bring up gyro aiming? The PS4 controller has a gyro perfect for gyro aiming. You don't have to look at it...it doesn't even have a screen. Gyro aiming does not necessitate or validate the gamepad.
One of the best uses of the gamepad is WWHD because it's all ancillary and never required. IT's fine in that sense but the more you force it the worse it is.
One of the best uses of the gamepad is WWHD because it's all ancillary and never required. IT's fine in that sense but the more you force it the worse it is.
Everyone has seen the patent. Also, do you really think Nintendo isn't going to make the NX BC? Seems like a huge waste.
Wait, was that confirmed? I must've missed it.
Omega Kirby
Member
I think only Splatoon benefitted from the gamepad map and mario maker
Yep works 100% with the Pro Controller
semiconscious
Member
well, duh! i realized this the first time i heard about the damn thing! smh 
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...Yabberwocky
Member
It's a pain in the ass, and it's also really uncomfortable to hold for long periods of time. Pleeeeease let the NX controller be something, well, sane.
Oh wow...that's pretty nuts that he would be so blunt about that. I can't imagine Shiggy will be very happy with him for saying that so soon after Star Fox Zero came out, with him specifically taking a ton of heat for the control choices in it.
But still, good on him for being honest. As much as the gamepad works for some select situations (Super Mario Maker probably being it's best usage), it's just not a good fit for most games other than being used as a map or extra buttons.
I really, really hope they reveal the NX soon. I can't wait much longer.
But still, good on him for being honest. As much as the gamepad works for some select situations (Super Mario Maker probably being it's best usage), it's just not a good fit for most games other than being used as a map or extra buttons.
I really, really hope they reveal the NX soon. I can't wait much longer.
But with the gamepad, you can get your ass beat in combat while you take your hand off the buttons in order to touch the screen and your eyes off the action to select your items. Doesn't that sound more fun than pausing?
Icyflamez96
Member
Yup. I hope they still have an optional gamepad for NX.
I like my gamepad map and inventory
edit: Especially in a game like this, where I'll be spending a lot of time just running around. I could glance at the gamepad to get a bigger view of the map and where I am without having to pause.
It's not a big thing but I don't really get the need to remove it.
edit: Especially in a game like this, where I'll be spending a lot of time just running around. I could glance at the gamepad to get a bigger view of the map and where I am without having to pause.
It's not a big thing but I don't really get the need to remove it.
The Spoony Hou
Member
Anything to do with menus disrupts the gameplay, that's my point.
If you don't like the gamepad, at least the Wii U Zelda games give you the option of not using it, don't they?
I said this shit since day 1 a second screen is pointless on a console and disruptive. On the DS it was okay as the screen is just below with a easy glance away.
I still wouldn't mind a second screen on NX but it needs to be tiny and not the main focus. Perhaps slightly bigger than the PS4 Touchpad.
I still wouldn't mind a second screen on NX but it needs to be tiny and not the main focus. Perhaps slightly bigger than the PS4 Touchpad.
Azure Dream
Member
And Mario Maker would've been fine with just a single screen with touch input, akin to a Vita. It doesn't need two screens beyond "watch what I'm doing".
Unknown One
Member
Indeed. It's baffling that they took this long to notice.
Rapscallion
Member
Really depends on the game.
Games like Splatoon and Pikmin 3 were absolutely improved by the use of the gamepad, but I could see it detracting from a game like Zelda or Mario if you constantly have to look back and forth between the two.
Games like Splatoon and Pikmin 3 were absolutely improved by the use of the gamepad, but I could see it detracting from a game like Zelda or Mario if you constantly have to look back and forth between the two.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
So the Starfox reviewers were right all along.
Not all dual screens. The DS and 3DS fare just fine since the screens are so close to each other and so small they almost might as well be one screen.
They must have realized this a while ago, but with the NX now more or less a known quantity they have less to lose than if the Wii U remained their future.
Zombegoast
Member
Only in games like Mario Kart but Xenoblade X's was super useful.
stan423321
Member
The thing is, though, it applies perfectly to Star Fox Zero, which is, like, the only title so far that really makes major use of multi-screen aspect of GP in single-player, and in the effect sucks. ZombiU was a weird thing that really perfected minor use of it, but the game could work really well on regular setups if it was ported a little better than it was.
For basically everything else (barring some indie titles I didn't try yet) it ended up being completely minor. Yes, Splatoon too, it wouldn't be much worse with map in the corner, possibly with a resize button prompt or something. Aiming in Splatoon and Zeldas was a gyro thing, Mario Maker worked well due to touchscreen (though it arguably would work as well with a mouse), but the synergy of TV and GP simply doesn't exist.
Honey Bunny
Member
I'm certain multiple people used that exact analogy around Wii U's launch on here. Crazy hearing it from the horse's mouth.
Unknown One
Member
KirbYuuYuu
Member
To be fair, it took that long to make Breath of the Wild.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Yeah he totally was.
I'm sure many will applaud this comment, but honestly I find this sudden 180 on input philosophy pretty shitty.
I understand you have an upcoming system to sell, but the NX version is going to perform vastly better anyways, so at least throw the WiiU owners a bone and keep the touchscreen map features that have been proven to work well with WWHD and TPHD. I mean the game was obviously designed with the Gamerpad in mind, why remove its main focus now and suddenly act like its a hinderance? It's like they want to squander any question of what version is the best by removing any possible advantage the WiiU could have over the NX.
Such a decision should be ridiculed, not applauded.
kunonabi
Member
If Wonderful 101 combat works just fine with using the gamepad for actual combat techniques I'm sure Zelda could handle basic item switching when needed. Most of the time for these things you don't actually need to look at the gamepad to use touch screens. People's weird view of the gamepad reminds me of the people who think you had to stand up to use the wiimote and nunchuk.
I'll always take quick live functions over frequently pausing gameplay.
QuixoticNeutral
Member
The point here is that the Wii U Pro Controller doesn't have a gyro (though it certainly should, and it's a gross oversight that it doesn't). That's a separate matter from whether you need a controller with a screen or the things that people seem to dislike about the GamePad (the bulk, the battery life).
I think something is being misread in all this, anyway. A map is still on the GamePad, I'm sure, but a short-range minimap (and the scope function for setting waypoint markers) is on the main screen. I agree that an ideal second-screen implementation is indeed something like WWHD's: entirely optional but nice to have for the players that want it or like added features such as Miiverse posting. I suspect the NX will be designed around that philosophy in some form: everything playable on one screen, optionally enhanced with two.
(I'll also reiterate, as I do in every thread like this, that it's almost criminal that the DS, 3DS, and Wii U all went by without an original Metroid game, because that's a genre where simultaneous second-screen maps that you can glance at without interrupting your movement are amazing.)
salamander150
Member
I mean Wind Waker on Wii U does an excellent job with inventory and map. Gamepad use is also excellent with the probes in Xenoblade. I think it really depends on how you designate the gamepad.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
NX is a portable device. So technically it does.
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