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[Affeinvasion]

I honestly can't say that Bill couldn't win with a different quarterback.

I think he could. If you had the exact same team and different coach there's no way they would win as much. Brady's really good at what he does but I think he needs Bill more than Bill needs him.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

Also....

FUCK THE CELTICS FOREVER.

GO LAKERS!!!!!

My man...

 

[ZeoVGM]

i mean, come on man, im talking about the sport itself. not the mistakes that people make outside of that realm. i don't think phelps issues outside of the pool have anything to do with how he performs inside of it. the pats and brady have been busted multiple times cheating in the game of football. I will never be okay with them winning a championship with the same personal that has been caught cheating multiple times. fuck that!

Nah man, you got caught being a hypocrite. Just own up to it.

You're okay with someone being suspended for factual drunk driving but it bothers you when someone gets suspended for possible cheating.

 

[Affeinvasion]

Nah man, you got caught being a hypocrite. Just own up to it.

You're okay with someone being suspended for factual drunk driving but it bothers you when someone gets suspended for possible cheating.

The Pats don't have a problem signing drunk drivers. Though he wasn't activated for the Superbowl.

 

[Marquis]

I don't put stock in records because they dont grow with the game. Performance relative to the era is what matters most and Brady fucked up more often than not tonight. It wasn't entirely his fault. His O-line getting schooled by a 4 man rush is embarrassing but when he had to make clutch throws he fucked up mpre than he came through when taling the entire game into account.

His records tonight have more to do with the Falcons secondary goinf on vacation early than it does with him being exceptional.

C'mon man. It's not like Jimmy G could of just did what Brady did. I agree that Falcons secondary got tired but Brady deserves some credit.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Point being if you pick apart all stats like that nobody is "great" do to x, y, and z.

Which is no different than trumpeting Brady's big numbers without contextualizing with his overall stats and the Falcons defensive screw ups.

Numbers are numbers but the story depends on the spin. Hence my stance that records don't carry weight.

Without numbers "from a certain point of view" did Brady live up to the hype? Nope. No consistency. Several bad choices. Several bad throws on individually crucial downs.

Ryan was the better QB tonight BY FAR. Yet circumstances and results have people talking Brady even though he screwed up over 3 quarters worth of time.

That's what I take away.

C'mon man. It's not like Jimmy G could of just did what Brady did. I agree that Falcons secondary got tired but Brady deserves some credit.

I'm not saying Brady did nothing. I'm saying he didn't live up to expectations. So claiming GOAT off this pretty poor performance overall is weak logic.

 

[Affeinvasion]

C'mon man. It's not like Jimmy G could of just did what Brady did. I agree that Falcons secondary got tired but Brady deserves some credit.

I think he could have. Brady threw some baaaad passes and got bailed out several times by the TE and a miracle catch by Edelman.

 

[pa22word]

Which is no different than trumpeting Brady's big numbers without contextualizing with his overall stats and the Falcons defensive screw ups.

Numbers are numbers but the story depends on the spin. Hence my stance that records don't carry weight.

Without numbers "from a certain point of view" did Brady live up to the hype? Nope. No consistency. Several bad choices. Several bad throws on individually crucial downs.

Ryan was the better QB tonight BY FAR. Yet circumstances and results have people talking Brady even though he screwed up over 3 quarters worth of time.

That's what I take away.



I'm not saying Brady did nothing. I'm saying he didn't live up to expectations. So claiming GOAT off this pretty poor performance overall is weak logic.

The overall game isn't really that important. What's important is that at do or die time he drove 91 yards, then got the 2pt. Followed that up by marching straight down the field again in ot to win the game.

That's what makes him the goat.

 

[ThePrequelsSuck]

He's great no doubt about it. But since GAF is full of liberal activists, they'll say he sucks solely because of his Trump affiliation.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

So basically throw objectivity out the window?

you deflate objectivity and then you throw it

 

[Affeinvasion]

The overall game isn't really that important. What's important is that at do or die time he drove 91 yards, then got the 2pt. Followed that up by marching straight down the field again in ot to win the game.

That's what makes him the goat.

That defense was DONE though. Brick Osweiller could have driven down the field against those corners and pass rush.

 

[KHarvey16]

That defense was DONE though. Brick Osweiller could have driven down the field against those corners and pass rush.

And why were they done?

 

[Marquis]

He's great no doubt about it. But since GAF is full of liberal activists, they'll say he sucks solely because of his Trump affiliation.

Really upsetting as a Pats fan. We were winning way before this "Trump-Brady" connection was a thing. I highly doubt they are anything more than mere friends. From what it seems the relationship is very one-sided in which Trump likes to frequently bring up his good friend Thomas Brady and not the other way around.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

Love him or hate him he's one of the best ever. Can't argue with 5 rings.

 

[BlackNMild2k1]

Brady is personal friends with Trump and will turn up, unlike in 2015 when he stood Obama up.

Brady will meet with President Trump. He attended the White House events when Bush was in office, but missed Obama.

So we assume that besides possibly the owner, Brady may be one of very few players at best that may show up?

I'm just asking because I know the NBA as a whole is pretty much "fuck the tradition (for now)", but I have no idea where the NFL, MLB, NHL or MLS stands on this current administration.

I'm not even sure if all of them visit the White House after a Championship win.

 

[Affeinvasion]

And why were they done?

Who knows. Longer half time? Used too much gas in the first half? The game plan didn't pick apart the defense. They just started playing like the falcons again after two and a half games of great defense.

 

[themagicalkitsune]

lol poor aj styles

They made a gif of a gif? Interesting

 

[KHarvey16]

Who knows. Longer half time? Used too much gas in the first half? The game plan didn't pick apart the defense. They just started playing like the falcons again after two and a half games of great defense.

Well I mean, do you think the offensive performance at the end of the game by Tom Brady and the Patriots had anything to do with it?

 

[GhaleonEB]

And why were they done?

Aye, the Pats had the ball about 2x as long as the Falcons, so their defense was definitely out there for a while. For which you have to credit the Pats offense for keeping them out there....

I'd love to see the stats broken out for those last three touchdown drives.

 

[msdstc]

In fairness, the Pats had the ball about 2x as long as the Falcons, so their defense was definitely out there for a while. But then you sort of have to credit the Pats offense for keeping them out there....

I'd love to see the stats broken out for those last three touchdown drives.

That's the point though, they sustained drives.

 

[Affeinvasion]

Well I mean, do you think the offensive performance at the end of the game by Tom Brady and the Patriots had anything to do with it?

You can't judge one without the other. I don't know. What killed the defense was the long drive with the three consecutive holding penalties on third downs. In the second half the defense consistently missed tackles, took bad angles, etc. That's on the defense. Brady had time in the pocket and hit a lot of wide open receivers. They barely had 100 rushing yards which is the conventional way to wear down a defense. The falcons sheer determination not to run the ball also didn't help. If I was going to give credit to one unit on the Patriots it would be the o line who kept Brady clean for the most part in the second half.

 

[GhaleonEB]

That's the point though, they sustained drives.

Yeah I'm tired and totally missed the point, edited. :lol

 

[msdstc]

Yeah I'm tired and totally missed the point, edited. :lol

It's 3:15 in the morning and I'm not even slightly tired just watching highlights

 

[Affeinvasion]

That's the point though, they sustained drives.

The falcons helped them out significantly with costly penalties.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

So we assume that besides possibly the owner, Brady may be one of very few players at best that may show up?

I'm just asking because I know the NBA as a whole is pretty much "fuck the tradition (for now)", but I have no idea where the NFL, MLB, NHL or MLS stands on this current administration.

I'm not even sure if all of them visit the White House after a Championship win.

I'm pretty sure we're on a case-by-case basis here, the tradition that the President invites the championship-winning team for a photo-op at the White House is pretty informal and the current President pretty much does it because the last President did it. If there's one thing we know about Trump's White House, it's that what the last President did is completely out the window. Trump might not even invite the Pats to avoid the controversy that would occur if any of them showed up, solving the issue before it arises.

 

[msdstc]

The falcons helped them out significantly with costly penalties.

OK and if they didn't get those penalties they wouldnt have been able to stop the we anyways, for instance the constant holding calls early in the game. Better to get slapped with 5 yartds than get burned.

 

[GhaleonEB]

It's 3:15 in the morning and I'm not even slightly tired just watching highlights

I just got through the 20-minute one put out by the NFL. I love that they do such longform highlights, really good way to see how the game unfolded, since I missed some parts of it.

 

[jg4xchamp]

GOAT.

Sustained, distilled excellence. No running game? No Gronk? Against arguably the best defense in the game today?

Casually throws for 466 yards on 62 passes.

HOLD THE FUCKIN L, HATERS.

everything but the defense part is true. Atlantas defense was a glaring weak spot all season. They just looked good while their offense got out to hot leads.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I'm not saying Brady did nothing. I'm saying he didn't live up to expectations.

Can you define these expectations?

Expectation of victory? Check.

Expectation of high level play? NFL record passing yards, completions to a single receiver, attempts, game-tying drive, game winning drive in the first OT in the history of the sport. 120QBR in Q4 and presumably that high in OT. O line let him down in the first half.

He just killed a team that knew he was going to throw it every down. 62 attempts and only 1 INT.

Expectation of more hardware? Another MVP trophy and another Championship ring.

What expectation are you referring to that he did not meet?

everything but the defense part is true. Atlantas defense was a glaring weak spot all season. They just looked good while their offense got out to hot leads.

mmm I see. I must have been thinking of someone else.

 

[msdstc]

I just got through the 20-minute one put out by the NFL. I love that they do such longform highlights, really good way to see how the game unfolded, since I missed some parts of it.

NFL production values and editing is like magic. Quick and high quality like sunhi gifs. Same can be said for their America's game. Actually pretty much all of their productions.

 

[KHarvey16]

Aye, the Pats had the ball about 2x as long as the Falcons, so their defense was definitely out there for a while. For which you have to credit the Pats offense for keeping them out there....

I'd love to see the stats broken out for those last three touchdown drives.

Yup, exactly.

You can't judge one without the other. I don't know. What killed the defense was the long drive with the three consecutive holding penalties on third downs. In the second half the defense consistently missed tackles, took bad angles, etc. That's on the defense. Brady had time in the pocket and hit a lot of wide open receivers. They barely had 100 rushing yards which is the conventional way to wear down a defense. The falcons sheer determination not to run the ball also didn't help. If I was going to give credit to one unit on the Patriots it would be the o line who kept Brady clean for the most part in the second half.

But with that kind of reasoning you could deny credit to any offense or defense in any game ever. The Pats did exactly what they needed to do on both sides of the ball. The Falcons didn't.

I'm pretty sure we're on a case-by-case basis here, the tradition that the President invites the championship-winning team for a photo-op at the White House is pretty informal and the current President pretty much does it because the last President did it. If there's one thing we know about Trump's White House, it's that what the last President did is completely out the window. Trump might not even invite the Pats to avoid the controversy that would occur if any of them showed up, solving the issue before it arises.

Yeah, very afraid of controversy that one

 

[ZeoVGM]

I think he could have. Brady threw some baaaad passes and got bailed out several times by the TE and a miracle catch by Edelman.

The Patriots don't make that comeback without Brady. Good lord.

 

[watdaeff4]

He was the greatest before yesterday.

 

[Affeinvasion]

OK and if they didn't get those penalties they wouldnt have been able to stop the we anyways, for instance the constant holding calls early in the game. Better to get slapped with 5 yartds than get burned.

It's impossible to make that claim frankly. My overall point isn't to take anything away from the Pats in general. They out maneuvered the falcons in the second half and Dan Quinn came down with a historic case of the stupids by not adjusting to the Pats' obvious ball control scheme. My point is that Brady himself didn't do anything particularly spectacular within that sequence that couldn't have been accomplished by a reasonably competent QB in the league. The coaching staff deserves a lot of credit in a game where Brady didn't actually play that great. 31 unanswered can only ever be a total team wide collapse though regardless of how it happened.

 

[SpacLock]

He is absolutely without a doubt the greatest of all time. The salt and tears are everywhere, and it's hilarious.

 

[EASTC0AST_GH05T]

It's 3:15 in the morning and I'm not even slightly tired just watching highlights

I feel you I am rewatching the game from the comfort of my couch since I only got to catch ocassional peeks of the game while at work.

 

[Branduil]

Tom Brady's legacy: http://www.ibtimes.com/richard-spen...cist-agenda-tom-bradys-team-won-white-2486864

 

[Havoc2049]

As a Raiders fan, who was burned by Brady and the lame tuck-rule call, I have to admit that he is the best QB of all time. The dude is just a beast and he is frikin' 39 years old and looks like he can play another three to five years and break most of the career passing records (although Brees doesn't seem to be slowing down either).

Maybe there is something to this whole Trump 777 prophecy. lol

 

[msdstc]

I feel you I am rewatching the game from the comfort of my couch since I only got to catch ocassional peeks of the game while at work.

This SB was similar to the last one for me. Had the party at my place had a bunch of friends over. The first quarter was a ton of tension and nerves, then the 2nd and 3rd quarter were just awful. In 2014 it was better obviously at the half sucked they just gave up a TD in 25 seconds or w.e it was.

After butler getting burned hard by Gabriel one of my friends contemplated heading home early, both my friends gfs had gone to sleep and we were pretty much silent just gutted. Honestly I didn't even let myself get too excited until it was 28-20 and even then I kept expectations in check given the AFCC last year and the failed 2 point, but I was just happy it wasn't a total embarrassment. The idea of us ACTUALLY winning and it truly happening didn't even seem real until it was pretty much done. The whole thing was just so surreal.

 

[Chumley]

Tom Brady's legacy: http://www.ibtimes.com/richard-spen...cist-agenda-tom-bradys-team-won-white-2486864

This makes me want to throw up

 

[EASTC0AST_GH05T]

This SB was similar to the last one for me. Had the party at my place had a bunch of friends over. The first quarter was a ton of tension and nerves, then the 2nd and 3rd quarter were just awful. In 2014 it was better obviously at the half sucked they just gave up a TD in 25 seconds or w.e it was.

After butler getting burned hard by Gabriel one of my friends contemplated heading home early, both my friends gfs had gone to sleep and we were pretty much silent just gutted. Honestly I didn't even let myself get too excited until it was 28-20 and even then I kept expectations in check given the AFCC last year and the failed 2 point, but I was just happy it wasn't a total embarrassment. The idea of us ACTUALLY winning and it truly happening didn't even seem real until it was pretty much done. The whole thing was just so surreal.

I tell people all the times these SB's are depressing and stressful as hell to watch. I was telling everyone prior to the game that I don't want a close game I wan't the Pats to maintain a comfortable lead or blow out. This SB was killing me at work, mind you I work in a casino in Nor Cal and kept hearing loud cheers and roars and whenever I would get to a screen to view the game the Falcons had a bigger lead. Then towards the end of my shift the roars threw out the casino got silent. I then found a screen and the score was tied and I said to myself no way. I knew if the game made it to OT the Pats would win it and history was made.

 

[Milchjon]

The hate has been constant for 15 years.

Only the "reasons" change.

 

[tbro777]

I was one to never use super bowl wins as a metric for who is the best QB, there are many other factors other than the QB. It's all subjective though, one of the greatest QBs never won a super bowl (Dan Marino) while many other subpar Qbs have won one (Trent Dilfer comes to mind)

With that said, in my opinion, he is in the top 5 greatest.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Tom Brady's legacy: http://www.ibtimes.com/richard-spen...cist-agenda-tom-bradys-team-won-white-2486864

Stop validating this shithead's rhetoric by saying his comments define Tom Brady's legacy.

 

[sephi22]

LMAO @ all the salt in this thread. I don't even follow football but heard the superbowl was crazy and was lurking here, but the babies crying about the trump hat are fucking hilarious.

And I despise Trump with all my being.

 

[Timedog]

Can't call him the best after cheating multiple times. He's certainly among the best.

 

[Dutch Gronk]

Tom Brady's legacy: http://www.ibtimes.com/richard-spen...cist-agenda-tom-bradys-team-won-white-2486864

Oh fuck off with this bullshit.

You're just as bad as that guy trying to link this to Brady to support your argument.

 

[Diprosalic]

I was one to never use super bowl wins as a metric for who is the best QB, there are many other factors other than the QB. It's all subjective though, one of the greatest QBs never won a super bowl (Dan Marino) while many other subpar Qbs have won one (Trent Dilfer comes to mind)

With that said, in my opinion, he is in the top 5 greatest.

Well there's quite a bit of a difference between winning one or five.

 

[Branduil]

Stop validating this shithead's rhetoric by saying his comments define Tom Brady's legacy.

Oh fuck off with this bullshit.

You're just as bad as that guy trying to link this to Brady to support your argument.

You'd have a point if Brady hadn't openly endorsed the white supremacist moron president NeoNazis everywhere love. I'm sure every QB has racist fans but Brady is the only one who has them because he explicitly endorsed a racist president.

 

[Sanjuro]

He might be better than Bledsoe, though I still need to crunch some numbers.