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So With Tom Brady Winning His Fifth Super Bowl....

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I love how all this happened simultaneously when both Nintendo aired and the fox stream died.

Nintendo and Fox in bed together confirmed.
 
nilbog21 said:
I mean, I dont know shit about football, but one game makes someone from not goat to goat? wat
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To be fair, He was in the argument of GOAT wayyy before this super bowl. This come back win just cemented himself as the GoAT. IMO he became the GOAT qb after beating Seattle afew years ago..SB51 was just icing on the cake.
 
Mortimer Brewster said:
I'd put Brady and Montana as 1a, 1b. Both are the GOAT's for different reasons. Brady has the most wins now but also has the 2 loses to Eli, whereas Joe Cool is 4-0 in the Super Bowl. Both guys have valid arguments for being called GOAt so why not both.gif


It's the same argument NBA fans will likely be having about MJ vs Lebron when it's all done.
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Not that he doesn't have time, but Bron needs to win a couple more to be considered in the same level as MJ, I would think. I think he can do it, but MJ's too revered, fair or not, and 3 in 7 in the Finals at the moment isn't going to cut it.

But agreed--Montana and Brady as GOAT for different reasons.

But Brady wins one more for the Infinity Gauntlet and no more argument.
 
CanUKlehead said:
But Brady wins one more for the Infinity Gauntlet and no more argument.
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I think he would also have to beat his white whale Eli to become the singular GOAT.

Also, Brady's last 2 rings only solidifies Eli's HoF narrative. Will be Top 10 in all QB stats and the Pats Dynasties Super Bowl kryptonite.
 
Mortimer Brewster said:
I think he would also have to beat his white whale Eli to become the singular GOAT.

Also, Brady's last 2 rings only solidifies Eli's HoF narrative. Will be Top 10 in all QB stats and the Pats Dynasties Super Bowl kryptonite.
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Considering that guy's fortunes in...well, life overall, this would the only appropriate way for him to win 6.
 
Diprosalic said:
Well there's quite a bit of a difference between winning one or five.
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You completely missed my point though, it's irrelevant how many super bowls a QB wins (when discussing who the best QB is) the QB alone is not the deciding factor who wins a game.

Let's say the Patriots left tackle was the same guy for all 5 of their super bowl wins, does that make him the greatest left tackle of all time?
 
tbro777 said:
You completely missed my point though, it's irrelevant how many super bowls a QB wins (when discussing who the best QB is) the QB alone is not the deciding factor who wins a game.

Let's say the Patriots left tackle was the same guy for all 5 of their super bowl wins, does that make him the greatest left tackle of all time?
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Shhh, nobody in this thread is interested in any discussion beyond infinity gauntlet and counting rings.
 
I love all these "Tom Brady isn't the GOAT" posts, & then Peyton Manning is mentioned. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, what the fuck?

Tom Brady & his brother have more Super Bowl rings than Peyton & his brother.

I'm glad that joke works again.

Peyton was a joke.
 
I never understood these goat debates


Every player had different circumstances to play under

Brady Montana Farvre; etc they are all goat
I don't think one person can claim it
 
nilbog21 said:
I mean, I dont know shit about football, but one game makes someone from not goat to goat? wat
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Brady has been in the GOAT argument for 10 years, and many thought he cemented it with his 2014 super bowl win.

While it's technically one game that launched this thread, Brady also had an MVP Calibur season at 39 and went on to win the super bowl, going something like 14-1 this year if my math serves.
 
The Albatross said:
Brady has been in the GOAT argument for 10 years, and many thought he cemented it with his 2014 super bowl win.

While it's technically one game that launched this thread, Brady also had an MVP Calibur season at 39 and went on to win the super bowl, going something like 14-1 this year if my math serves.
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Yea but he didn't play the first 4 games

He was suspended for cheating
 
elrechazado said:
Rodgers, Peyton, Montana, young, Marino - all flat out better QBs than Brady, just not lucky enough to be playing for the most nefariously good organization in league history.
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We both know this is no longer an argument.

And Rodgers is amazing but better than Brady? Come on. Stop.
 
ZeoVGM said:
We both know this is no longer an argument.

And Rodgers is amazing but better than Brady? Come on. Stop.
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Talent wise? Absolutely. Rodgers might be the GOAT in that category.

Resume wise? Oh hell no. Brady has everyone else beat.

I just wish Rodgers could count on our defense to hold the Falcons to four stops in the fourth quarter like they did.

While I'm on board with calling Brady the GOAT, so much credit has to be given to the fact that the Patriots are the most successfully and consistently ran football organization in history. The Patriots consistently pick at the bottom of the first round every year and still manage to make the Super Bowl as often as they do - that is staggering in this league.
 
Tom Brady is going to need an asterisk after his name just to direct readers to all of the additional volumes that chronicle his heroics.
 
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I was rooting for ATL the whole way, but my team wasn't in the bowl. Not going to lie though, once you started to see that shift in the mid/late 3rd quarter I started to hear the Rudy theme playing and was rooting 100% for the Pats to make the greatest super bowl comeback.. and they did it. I couldn't believe my eyes.

Brady is a beast, there is just no denying it. What I saw wasn't ATL folding, on the contrary I saw NE elevate.
 
tbro777 said:
You completely missed my point though, it's irrelevant how many super bowls a QB wins (when discussing who the best QB is) the QB alone is not the deciding factor who wins a game.

Let's say the Patriots left tackle was the same guy for all 5 of their super bowl wins, does that make him the greatest left tackle of all time?
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of course not that's why nobody cares about Robert Horry winning 7 rings in the NBA as a role player. A QB getting it done 5 times with very different supporting casts while winning 4 SMVPs is much different than that. Brady was undoubtedly a deciding factor in most of these wins. Rings are ar from the be all end all argument in the GOAT debate, just saying that they are irrelevant and ignoring them is completely unfair.

we don't know if the other QBs would've choked under the pressure on the biggest stage, Brady didn't and that's a fact.
 
elrechazado said:
Tom Brady is not the goat.

He's the ultimate system quarterback. He played for an organization head and shoulders above the rest of the league, with the best coach in history. His divisional competition hasn't been relevant in over a decade, letting him waltz into the playoffs nearly every year.
When Manning goes down, his team goes 0-16. When Brady goes down, the pats go 11-5 with a QB that was hot garbage everywhere else. Easy to see how it's the system and organization and terrible division, not Brady.

Manning played for garbage organizations with mediocre coaching. Brady got lucky enough to be the guy slotted into a system, just like so many other former lacrosse players, 5'5" mini receivers, and other assorted average players made great by a system and coaches.

Rings is such a garbage metric for how good a player is in the ultimate team sport like football. Brady's defense won multiple Superbowls, but he's the goat because of that and vinatieri's clutch leg and the tuck rule? Please.

Add in the fact that he personally and his team are convicted cheaters. Props to the organization for taking every edge to win. But Brady is the beneficiary of that cheating culture, not the goat because he rode it to victory.

The metric for who is the best quarterback isn't the long term success of an organization in the ultimate team sport, it's who you would start a team with if you started one now. I'd put him in the tip ten maybe by that metric, but not even top five.

By that metric, and actual skills and play on the field, the list of guys you take before him is way too long. Rodgers, Peyton, Montana, young, Marino - all flat out better QBs than Brady, just not lucky enough to be playing for the most nefariously good organization in league history.
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Yeah gee when you have arguably the greatest team ever put together to help Cassel out, it's amazing that they didn't go 0-16! Like come on man. That previous season the Pats went undefeated in the regular season with Brady. That next season they didn't even make the playoffs while retaining basically all of their GOAT lineup. Without Brady this year, they went scoreless against the Bills.

They are usually a good team without Brady. No doubt about it. We have great management and coaching. But Brady makes them playoff contenders and Super Bowl winners. Montana got to throw to Jerry Rice and had Walsh. Good teams are surrounded by good players, crazy thought.
 
yuraya said:
Brady is more clutch than Montana in 4th quarter and OT.
Brady has more playoff wins than Montana
Brady has more SuperBowl rings than Montana
Brady has more SuperBowl mvps than Montana
Brady has better career #s than Montana

And Brady didn't need an offensive genius like Walsh to achieve all that. Nor did he need goat receivers like Jerry Rice to do it either.

Brady is the greatest of all time. And he still has several years left to add to his accomplishments.
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You forget Brady has the greatest defensive coach in the NFL history...
 
tbro777 said:
I was one to never use super bowl wins as a metric for who is the best QB, there are many other factors other than the QB. It's all subjective though, one of the greatest QBs never won a super bowl (Dan Marino) while many other subpar Qbs have won one (Trent Dilfer comes to mind)

With that said, in my opinion, he is in the top 5 greatest.
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I think you have to take the whole body of work, though I agree coming up with a "Greatest" is ultimately futile. It's not just strictly "5 rings," but having the most Super Bowl rings ever, being the winningest QB (player?) of all time, having the best TD:INT ratio of all time, being in the top 5 or top 10 for almost every statistical passing category, having multiple "Best X in a season..." records, and also having more playoff wins than any other QB (player?) in league history... You start adding all of those things up and it makes the most convincing case for Brady to be #1 in that list of guys who all qualify for best ever.

I think what settles it more for me is that I can make a case for Brady being "greater" than every other player that I'd put in the top 5 or 10 players, and I don't think that I could make a convincing case for any of those other guys to be "greater" than Brady.
 
TatorTots said:
A lot of people view him as a cheater even if they do not know the facts. Personally, I call him a cheater knowing the facts lol.
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Considering that the patriots have cheated st every Super Bowl that they have won, I'm just waiting to hear how they cheated this time.
 
Honestly, it's not even a contest:


Montana:
1980: went 6-10 (only started half the season)
1981: won Super Bowl
1982: failed to make playoffs
1983: lost NFC Championship game
1984: won Super Bowl
1985: lost NFC Wild Card game
1986: lost NFC Divisional Round
1987: lost in NFC Semi Finals
1988: won Super Bowl
1989: won Super Bowl
1990: lost NFC Championship game
1991: Injured
1992: Injured
1993: lost AFC Championship game
1994: lost AFC Wild Card game


Brady:
2001: won Super Bowl
2002: failed to make the playoffs
2003: won Super Bowl
2004: won Super Bowl
2005: lost in AFC Divisional Round
2006: lost AFC Championship game
2007: lost Super Bowl
2008: Injured
2009: lost AFC Wild Card game
2010: lost in AFC Divisional Round
2011: lost Super Bowl
2012: lost AFC Championship game
2013: lost AFC Championship game
2014: won Super Bowl
2015: lost AFC Championship game
2016: won Super Bowl
 
I love the folks who say King Brady isn't GOAT but have no numbers to back it up. Keep it coming; you're just proving why King Brady is the GOAT.
 
One Eyed Willy said:
I was rooting for ATL the whole way, but my team wasn't in the bowl. Not going to lie though, once you started to see that shift in the mid/late 3rd quarter I started to hear the Rudy theme playing and was rooting 100% for the Pats to make the greatest super bowl comeback.. and they did it. I couldn't believe my eyes.

Brady is a beast, there is just no denying it. What I saw wasn't ATL folding, on the contrary I saw NE elevate.
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If the coaching for Atlanta was just bad in the 2nd half of that game instead of disastrous, they would have won the game pretty easily. In the NFL you can't just elevate and erase a 25 point lead. The other team pretty much has to collapse.
 
Unfriendly TimeTraveler said:
Wasn't just talking about his deflated balls I was talking also about when they got caught watching tapes of other teams practicing. Especially when they used that to win a Super Bowl against the panthers.

Also can't really trust this post when you call Eli a god.
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Lol, they did not get punished for watching or making tapes of teams practicing. I love how everyone talks about this but no one knows what they're saying.
 
yellowjacket25 said:
If the coaching for Atlanta was just bad in the 2nd half of that game instead of disastrous, they would have won the game pretty easily. In the NFL you can't just elevate and erase a 25 point lead. The other team pretty much has to collapse.
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I think I said 'Thank you Kyle Shannahan!' outloud after Atlanta screwed up their chance for the late field goal on the sack and hold. I don't know why they gave up on their run game - seemed like the Patriots were having issues keeping it contained all game.
 
Another important aspect of the game yesterday was just how big of a legacy swing that game actually was. If Brady played terribly and went 4-3 in Super Bowls, it would have been a lot tougher to call him the GOAT. That outcome almost happened too.

Instead the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history occurred and pushed him closer to GOAT status, if not finally there.
 
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