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So With Tom Brady Winning His Fifth Super Bowl....

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Branduil said:
You'd have a point if Brady hadn't openly endorsed the white supremacist moron president NeoNazis everywhere love. I'm sure every QB has racist fans but Brady is the only one who has them because he explicitly endorsed a racist president.
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You can hate Brady all you want, I dislike him for his Trump support, but to intertwine him with the most extreme Trump supporters, just because he supported Trump is a bit much.
 
Dutch Gronk said:
You can hate Brady all you want, I dislike him for his Trump support, but to intertwine him with the most extreme Trump supporters, just because he supported Trump is a bit much.
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It's not just Brady. Every public figure who has either explicitly or implicitly endorsed or colluded with Trump has a share of responsibility in normalizing white supremacy. People like Richard Spencer are emboldened precisely because of this normalization of fascism.
 
Jesus christ this thread is trash. He had a hat in his locker like 2 years ago. He never supported trump publicly. There's nothing indicating that brady is a racist. On the contrary. He mightve had a change of hearts about trump long ago like many others gave. Just go ahead and assume the worst boys. Goat. Great person. Suck it.
 
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Has Brady really addressed public support for Trump? As far as I know there was a rumor of him showing up at an event that never happened and the closet pic.
 
Dude and that team has gotten in trouble twice for cheating. Don't care how many rings he gets, dude will always be a spoiled child who should not have the respect he gets.

Dude is a decent qb but should never been know as the best.
 
Unfriendly TimeTraveler said:
Dude and that team has gotten in trouble twice for cheating. Don't care how many rings he gets, dude will always be a spoiled child who should not have the respect he gets.

Dude is a decent qb but should never been know as the best.
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And he got suspended for four games even though he probably did nothing wrong outside of smash his phone.

And he still came back made it to the Superbowl
The haters were on cloud 9 for 3 quarters
And then reality smacked everyone in the face. Brady is the best QB of our time.

I mean it's to the point where nothing is enough for the haters, he shut the door on the debate. If it wasn't for the God Eli and Giants defense the guy would be a 7 time Superbowl winner.
 
GodOnlyNose said:
And he got suspended for four games even though he probably did nothing wrong outside of smash his phone.

And he still came back made it to the Superbowl
The haters were on cloud 9 for 3 quarters
And then reality smacked everyone in the face. Brady is the best QB of our time.

I mean it's to the point where nothing is enough for the haters, he shut the door on the debate. If it wasn't for the God Eli and Giants defense the guy would be a 7 time Superbowl winner.
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Wasn't just talking about his deflated balls I was talking also about when they got caught watching tapes of other teams practicing. Especially when they used that to win a Super Bowl against the panthers.

Also can't really trust this post when you call Eli a god.
 
heckmanimation said:
Id say the falcons lost this game more than brady won it.
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You can't have one without the other. The Falcons wouldn't have lost if Brady hadn't orchestrated 31 unanswered points starting with about 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. It was a monumental collapse on one side due to a brilliant comeback by the other.
 
Brady is more clutch than Montana in 4th quarter and OT.
Brady has more playoff wins than Montana
Brady has more SuperBowl rings than Montana
Brady has more SuperBowl mvps than Montana
Brady has better career #s than Montana

And Brady didn't need an offensive genius like Walsh to achieve all that. Nor did he need goat receivers like Jerry Rice to do it either.

Brady is the greatest of all time. And he still has several years left to add to his accomplishments.
 
Unfriendly TimeTraveler said:
Wasn't just talking about his deflated balls I was talking also about when they got caught watching tapes of other teams practicing. Especially when they used that to win a Super Bowl against the panthers.

Also can't really trust this post when you call Eli a god.
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Video tapes don't throw footballs, nor do they run the ball

I'm a Giants fan, so of course I would speak hyperbole about Eli, him and his team are the only team to deny the Patriots.

But yeah, Brady is the best....and no amount of trump association or supposed scandals are going to change that.
 
Andrew Korenchkin said:
Is he the greatest of all time, now? Strictly speaking as a QB, or in general. Yay or nay, and why?

Tough to say, really. Hard to realize just how incredible Joe Montana was, who I still think is the GOAT. Five rings is one fucking hell of an accomplishment, though. Whether or not you consider him the best also hinges on who he had around him as well.
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He's the GOAT, as much as I don't want to say it. He played with bums compared Matt Ryan, with all those dropped passes he'd have 550+ yards yesterday
 
Tom Brady is not the goat.

He's the ultimate system quarterback. He played for an organization head and shoulders above the rest of the league, with the best coach in history. His divisional competition hasn't been relevant in over a decade, letting him waltz into the playoffs nearly every year.
When Manning goes down, his team goes 0-16. When Brady goes down, the pats go 11-5 with a QB that was hot garbage everywhere else. Easy to see how it's the system and organization and terrible division, not Brady.

Manning played for garbage organizations with mediocre coaching. Brady got lucky enough to be the guy slotted into a system, just like so many other former lacrosse players, 5'5" mini receivers, and other assorted average players made great by a system and coaches.

Rings is such a garbage metric for how good a player is in the ultimate team sport like football. Brady's defense won multiple Superbowls, but he's the goat because of that and vinatieri's clutch leg and the tuck rule? Please.

Add in the fact that he personally and his team are convicted cheaters. Props to the organization for taking every edge to win. But Brady is the beneficiary of that cheating culture, not the goat because he rode it to victory.

The metric for who is the best quarterback isn't the long term success of an organization in the ultimate team sport, it's who you would start a team with if you started one now. I'd put him in the tip ten maybe by that metric, but not even top five.

By that metric, and actual skills and play on the field, the list of guys you take before him is way too long. Rodgers, Peyton, Montana, young, Marino - all flat out better QBs than Brady, just not lucky enough to be playing for the most nefariously good organization in league history.
 
Yes, Brady is the greatest of all time. Belichick is the greatest coach. To win 5 Superbowls is obviously unprecedented, to go to 7 is equally unprecedented, but to also win 3 early in your career, win 2 at the end of your career, with completely different teams and systems is unreal.
 
elrechazado said:
Tom Brady is not the goat.

He's the ultimate system quarterback. He played for an organization head and shoulders above the rest of the league, with the best coach in history. His divisional competition hasn't been relevant in over a decade, letting him waltz into the playoffs nearly every year.
When Manning goes down, his team goes 0-16. When Brady goes down, the pats go 11-5 with a QB that was hot garbage everywhere else. Easy to see how it's the system and organization and terrible division, not Brady.

Manning played for garbage organizations with mediocre coaching. Brady got lucky enough to be the guy slotted into a system, just like so many other former lacrosse players, 5'5" mini receivers, and other assorted average players made great by a system and coaches.

Rings is such a garbage metric for how good a player is in the ultimate team sport like football. Brady's defense won multiple Superbowls, but he's the goat because of that and vinatieri's clutch leg and the tuck rule? Please.

Add in the fact that he personally and his team are convicted cheaters. Props to the organization for taking every edge to win. But Brady is the beneficiary of that cheating culture, not the goat because he rode it to victory.

The metric for who is the best quarterback isn't the long term success of an organization in the ultimate team sport, it's who you would start a team with if you started one now. I'd put him in the tip ten maybe by that metric, but not even top five.

By that metric, and actual skills and play on the field, the list of guys you take before him is way too long. Rodgers, Peyton, Montana, young, Marino - all flat out better QBs than Brady, just not lucky enough to be playing for the most nefariously good organization in league history.
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elrechazado said:
Tom Brady is not the goat.

He's the ultimate system quarterback. He played for an organization head and shoulders above the rest of the league, with the best coach in history. His divisional competition hasn't been relevant in over a decade, letting him waltz into the playoffs nearly every year.
When Manning goes down, his team goes 0-16. When Brady goes down, the pats go 11-5 with a QB that was hot garbage everywhere else. Easy to see how it's the system and organization and terrible division, not Brady.

Manning played for garbage organizations with mediocre coaching. Brady got lucky enough to be the guy slotted into a system, just like so many other former lacrosse players, 5'5" mini receivers, and other assorted average players made great by a system and coaches.

Rings is such a garbage metric for how good a player is in the ultimate team sport like football. Brady's defense won multiple Superbowls, but he's the goat because of that and vinatieri's clutch leg and the tuck rule? Please.

Add in the fact that he personally and his team are convicted cheaters. Props to the organization for taking every edge to win. But Brady is the beneficiary of that cheating culture, not the goat because he rode it to victory.

The metric for who is the best quarterback isn't the long term success of an organization in the ultimate team sport, it's who you would start a team with if you started one now. I'd put him in the tip ten maybe by that metric, but not even top five.

By that metric, and actual skills and play on the field, the list of guys you take before him is way too long. Rodgers, Peyton, Montana, young, Marino - all flat out better QBs than Brady, just not lucky enough to be playing for the most nefariously good organization in league history.
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tl;dr: Tom Brady rode a goat to victory, just as it was foretold in the prophecy.
 
msdstc said:
This SB was similar to the last one for me. Had the party at my place had a bunch of friends over. The first quarter was a ton of tension and nerves, then the 2nd and 3rd quarter were just awful. In 2014 it was better obviously at the half sucked they just gave up a TD in 25 seconds or w.e it was.

After butler getting burned hard by Gabriel one of my friends contemplated heading home early, both my friends gfs had gone to sleep and we were pretty much silent just gutted. Honestly I didn't even let myself get too excited until it was 28-20 and even then I kept expectations in check given the AFCC last year and the failed 2 point, but I was just happy it wasn't a total embarrassment. The idea of us ACTUALLY winning and it truly happening didn't even seem real until it was pretty much done. The whole thing was just so surreal.
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It's just crazy how you keep yourself in check. I was at home and just going over how much the Pats need to overcome, and just hoping that the Pats can make it close. Series after series, the Pats creeping closer. We just questioned if the Pats are really doing it. We kept outlet calm, I just stood and watched, I couldn't sit. Chipping away, I'm still having trouble putting into words how crazy that game was.
 
radcliff said:
You can't have one without the other. The Falcons wouldn't have lost if Brady hadn't orchestrated 31 unanswered points starting with about 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. It was a monumental collapse on one side due to a brilliant comeback by the other.
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Yeah but many quarterbacks could have done what he did with the falcons playing so bad.sure brady is a great qb. Sure he played well in the 2nd half. But Its the falcons D that lost the game in the end. Just because he played a good second half doesnt mean you can disregard his abysmal first half. He wouldnt have needed a comeback if he wasnt playing like crap.

The GOAT qb shouldnt find himself in that position.

Im not saying bradys not awesome. he is. But the question at hand is he the greatest ever. And no i dont think so. Now, the tandem brady-belichick dynasty. THAT may be the best ever. Too bad they have so many stains on their careers.
 
elrechazado said:
Tom Brady is not the goat.

He's the ultimate system quarterback. He played for an organization head and shoulders above the rest of the league, with the best coach in history. His divisional competition hasn't been relevant in over a decade, letting him waltz into the playoffs nearly every year.
When Manning goes down, his team goes 0-16. When Brady goes down, the pats go 11-5 with a QB that was hot garbage everywhere else. Easy to see how it's the system and organization and terrible division, not Brady.

Manning played for garbage organizations with mediocre coaching. Brady got lucky enough to be the guy slotted into a system, just like so many other former lacrosse players, 5'5" mini receivers, and other assorted average players made great by a system and coaches.

Rings is such a garbage metric for how good a player is in the ultimate team sport like football. Brady's defense won multiple Superbowls, but he's the goat because of that and vinatieri's clutch leg and the tuck rule? Please.

Add in the fact that he personally and his team are convicted cheaters. Props to the organization for taking every edge to win. But Brady is the beneficiary of that cheating culture, not the goat because he rode it to victory.

The metric for who is the best quarterback isn't the long term success of an organization in the ultimate team sport, it's who you would start a team with if you started one now. I'd put him in the tip ten maybe by that metric, but not even top five.

By that metric, and actual skills and play on the field, the list of guys you take before him is way too long. Rodgers, Peyton, Montana, young, Marino - all flat out better QBs than Brady, just not lucky enough to be playing for the most nefariously good organization in league history.
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Why even bother taking the time to post this? Just why? You mad.
 
In the modified words of Triple H...

"Now, Tom Brady is ARGUABLY the greatest to ever play the game. You know what? I have never heard a good argument."
 
yuraya said:
Brady is more clutch than Montana in 4th quarter and OT.
Brady has more playoff wins than Montana
Brady has more SuperBowl rings than Montana
Brady has more SuperBowl mvps than Montana
Brady has better career #s than Montana

And Brady didn't need an offensive genius like Walsh to achieve all that. Nor did he need goat receivers like Jerry Rice to do it either.

Brady is the greatest of all time. And he still has several years left to add to his accomplishments.
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The Pats still have issues on that o line. If they can fortify that with strong talent that can keep Brady upright against great defenses, he'll last a long time. Not that they didn't do a great job all season, but you don't want 300lbers body splashing your 40 year old QB early or late in the season.

Also they need a better #1 RB. Brady shouldn't have to throw 62 fucking times at damn near 40 years old. If they can fix those things and have Gronk for an entire season, they can do better than 14-2 next year.
 
msdstc said:
1 out of 5 actually. The stats tell the story tonight. Only one player with over 100 reciever yards James freaking white. Edelman with 80, Mitchell with 70, Hogan with 60ish, amendola with 70ish, Bennet with about 70. He sees and moves the field better than anybody. He spreads it out and has almost his entire professional career.... Hell a lot of people argue that his years that he stagnated he was too locked in on moss/Welker then gronk/edelman.
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I said 1 out of 2 because Gronk only actually played in One of two that he won. (obviously not counting 2012 since they lost that.
 
Trey said:
Now Patriots fans will never shut up. I'm gonna have to pull double shifts knocking them down.
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Gonna require a lot of alternate facts to knock down a fan base holding this many W's.

Sky is red and green levels of alternate facts. Falcons actually won the chip but they aired CG football in Q4 while handing Ryan the rings in real life level facts.
 
elrechazado said:
Tom Brady is not the goat.

He's the ultimate system quarterback. He played for an organization head and shoulders above the rest of the league, with the best coach in history. His divisional competition hasn't been relevant in over a decade, letting him waltz into the playoffs nearly every year.
When Manning goes down, his team goes 0-16. When Brady goes down, the pats go 11-5 with a QB that was hot garbage everywhere else. Easy to see how it's the system and organization and terrible division, not Brady.

Manning played for garbage organizations with mediocre coaching. Brady got lucky enough to be the guy slotted into a system, just like so many other former lacrosse players, 5'5" mini receivers, and other assorted average players made great by a system and coaches.

Rings is such a garbage metric for how good a player is in the ultimate team sport like football. Brady's defense won multiple Superbowls, but he's the goat because of that and vinatieri's clutch leg and the tuck rule? Please.

Add in the fact that he personally and his team are convicted cheaters. Props to the organization for taking every edge to win. But Brady is the beneficiary of that cheating culture, not the goat because he rode it to victory.

The metric for who is the best quarterback isn't the long term success of an organization in the ultimate team sport, it's who you would start a team with if you started one now. I'd put him in the tip ten maybe by that metric, but not even top five.

By that metric, and actual skills and play on the field, the list of guys you take before him is way too long. Rodgers, Peyton, Montana, young, Marino - all flat out better QBs than Brady, just not lucky enough to be playing for the most nefariously good organization in league history.
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The denial is strong here. Thanks for the morning chuckle.
 
heckmanimation said:
Yeah but many quarterbacks could have done what he did with the falcons playing so bad.sure brady is a great qb. Sure he played well in the 2nd half. But Its the falcons D that lost the game in the end. Just because he played a good second half doesnt mean you can disregard his abysmal first half. He wouldnt have needed a comeback if he wasnt playing like crap.

The GOAT qb shouldnt find himself in that position.

Im not saying bradys not awesome. he is. But the question at hand is he the greatest ever. And no i dont think so. Now, the tandem brady-belichick dynasty. THAT may be the best ever. Too bad they have so many stains on their careers.
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I am sorry but I can't agree with that. Who do you think is the greatest ever ?


While he was bringing the Pats back, Falcons were still able to get to him and force throws. They even sacked him afew times during the come back. Imo what let the falcons down was their offense and them going away from the running game. They panicked and tried to go for the big plays when they could have run, run and run some more. While Pat a defense had some things to do with that, Falcons just straight up lost composure.


Brady is the greatest ever. At age 39 he almost threw for 500 yards without his best receiving option. Imo no other qb could have done that. Montana is the only other qb you could argue is the GOAT but even he had a guy like Jerry Rice during his SB runs. Brady just over came a 25 point deficit with a bunch of under sized receiving option.

BRADY IS THE GOAT, like it or not.
 
I'd put Brady and Montana as 1a, 1b. Both are the GOAT's for different reasons. Brady has the most wins now but also has the 2 loses to Eli, whereas Joe Cool is 4-0 in the Super Bowl. Both guys have valid arguments for being called GOAt so why not both.gif


It's the same argument NBA fans will likely be having about MJ vs Lebron when it's all done.
 
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