LuigiBlood
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To be honest F-Zero X Expansion Kit is emulated fine, saving included by using the disk dump.
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Someone found a US version of the Nintendo 64 64DD
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To be honest F-Zero X Expansion Kit is emulated fine, saving included by using the disk dump.
Are site owners genderless?
Does it run from a cd player side? If not that's misleading right?
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Pretty sure that was the first WWF Draft (Raw March 25th, 2002)
The first WWE Draft. The American Badass Undertaker was drafted by Ric Flair to RAW and The Undertaker was not a fan of Ric at that time.
Edit: beaten like a member of the Social Outcasts*.
*or 3MB, The Job Squad, Mean Street Posse, or Zach Ryder
That doesn't make sense, if it's a bootable on the vanilla SNES, then it wouldn't be using any of the Nintendo PlayStation hardware.
PumpkinSpice
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Other than running off the disc.
Isn't the CD drive in the unit they found non-functional?
Nope, it works.
Marty Chinn
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It's not even close to being Play Station. At least the 64DD was completed and released in Japan. This is more of a variation than a long lost platform.
LuigiBlood
Member
Yup, it isn't. Unless Ben Heck fixed it.
I remember them inspecting the logic board and speculating the drive was intentionally sabotaged, and that's how the prototype escaped destruction.
Like they told the boss "Here, you can keep it, we just have to make sure it doesn't work."
Anyway, if they managed to make a "CD" game for it, I wonder if they have knowledge of the disc format and libraries needed.
LuigiBlood
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We don't know if it's really sabotaged, but we have the Super Disc BIOS ROM dumped, it's been available for a while (thx Dan for giving me the ROM to host it), and it has been reverse enginnered. NO$SNS supports Super Disc games as a result along with the very first SNES CD homebrew ever.
Ah, cool. I haven't heard much about it since it was shown at the vintage games expo.
With the BIOS, I wonder if it would be impossible to hack a CD drive into a retail SNES.
Is there a good place to keep up on these developments?
MisterHero
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fuck me if that Mario Artist Studio suite exists in English and he won't let me have it 
LuigiBlood
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Nesdev is one of them. But lately nothing really happened about the SNES CD so...
Well, if it does exist we will have to hurry up and emulate blue disks better.fuck me if that Mario Artist Studio suite exists in English and he won't let me have it
Also, I love your avatar here.
I thought it was known via IGN64 back in the day, or Planet GameCube talked about it, where Nintendo just warehoused all the American 64DD units and just sits on them to this day.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Was there a thread over on AssemblerGames for it? I'm curious... I can only imagine how much crazy shit that guy must have.
SeanNoonan
Member
Region locked?
Also as a developer it's kinda weird to think about how there's a bunch of N64 games that check in vain for a 64DD to be plugged into your N64 and all that code just sits there inert.
Maybe it's due to emulation not being there for 64DD up until very recently, but I was surprised people didn't try to more aggressively reverse-engineer games' 64DD hooks to insert custom 'official' 64DD mode content. Guess it's just easier to modify the game directly. I'd love to see someone activating the 64DD loading for Ocarina of Time, for example. I think the closest someone has gotten is gamesharking the save data to show a "DISK" icon next to a save that locks it to requiring the expansion to be inserted to start it.
edit: yep this one
Maybe it's due to emulation not being there for 64DD up until very recently, but I was surprised people didn't try to more aggressively reverse-engineer games' 64DD hooks to insert custom 'official' 64DD mode content. Guess it's just easier to modify the game directly. I'd love to see someone activating the 64DD loading for Ocarina of Time, for example. I think the closest someone has gotten is gamesharking the save data to show a "DISK" icon next to a save that locks it to requiring the expansion to be inserted to start it.
edit: yep this one
I tracked down ex-Nintendo dev Mark Deloura, who confirmed this American 64DD's authenticity for my report at Ars Technica: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/...64s-disc-drive-add-on-unearthed-near-seattle/
Very cool. Also interesting that they had to enlist some NOA folks' help to port it from the 64DD. I had always wondered how far into development they got with the 64DD version before they reluctantly ported it.
BumblebeeCody
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eBay that!
oh man..
this makes it even sadder that F-Zero X never got anything like this. almost everything in the 64DD disk is doable in the cart. the only things you'd lose from a cart conversion would be the space to save ghosts and the higher quality BGMs.
Earlier than 1996, it was talked about publicly when Yamauchi mentioned Zelda 64 and DQVII would release on it during his Space World 95 keynote. Back then they called it the Bulky Drive.
The consistant explanation from Miyamoto and Aonuma over the years on Ura Zelda was that it was a second quest with rearranged dungeons. Even if unused content was found, the Ura Zelda project was focused on rearranged dungeons as a second quest, which is what we got with Master Quest.
1999 - http://www.zeldadungeon.net/Interviews-1999-08-27-IGN-64-Shigeru-Miyamoto.php
IGN64: We played Gaiden a short while ago and its very impressive. But were curious, will Link grow up in Gaiden?
Miyamoto: I actually dont know, but I heard that the adult Link will probably appear this time too. Also, if you say that Gaiden on the show floor is really good stuff I can feel very comfortable because that means my staff members have already become better than me when it comes to game creation.
IGN64: Tell us about Ura Zelda.
Miyamoto: Ura Zelda is based on The Ocarina of Time for 64DD. It has the same construction of gameplay. Its very much a parody game based on Ocarina of time, but with new dungeons to explore. It even features the same storyline.
Miyamoto Shows off Zelda 64 - May 1998
http://www.ign.com/articles/1998/05/27/miyamoto-shows-off-zelda-64
Q: Will there be a 64DD Zelda or an add-on?
Miyamoto: I dont know if add-on is the right terminology. For the 64DD, we are working on a Zelda game, which we call Ura Zelda, where you first play the initial disk version of Zelda after finishing everything, you can enter into the world, into the basic design of the same. This sort of WaZelda is now in the works for the 64DD.
Talkin' Zelda with Mr. Miyamoto - Space World '99 - Nintendo.com 1999
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/makzelda/interviews/zgmiyamotosw99.html
Q: After hearing rumors of Ura Zelda for Nintendo 64 Disk Drive, Zelda Gaiden for the Nintendo 64 cartridge format was a pleasant surprise. Can you tell me how these two games came to be developed?
A: We are working on two follow-ups to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. "Ura Zelda" uses the same system as Ocarina of Time but uses the 64DD to add game data. The story in "Ura Zelda" will be similar to Ocarina of Time but with new maps and scenarios. Zelda Gaiden, on the other hand, is a completely different game, although it too uses essentially the same game system as Ocarina of Time. Everyone has enjoyed the Zelda series but there's typically at least a 3 year wait between sequels! People who are in Junior High School when they play one Zelda game would be in High School by time the next game comes out, and those in High School will graduate before the next game came out! So, we wanted to make a new game in the series sooner. "Ura Zelda" will use the existing Ocarina of Time cartridge but with different dungeons, and new locations for the treasures. Since the 64DD media is cheaper than a new cartridge, this is an inexpensive way to make a sequel. We may also consider using network technology for "Ura Zelda." Right now, most of the staff is concentrating on Zelda Gaiden.
http://www.zeldadungeon.net/Interviews-1999-08-27-IGN-64-Shigeru-Miyamoto.php
http://www.ign.com/articles/1998/11/18/zelda-dd-the-other-adventure
http://www.ign.com/articles/2000/08/26/ura-zelda-complete
http://www.ign.com/articles/1999/08/21/gaiden-and-ura-zelda-split
Incite Video Games magazine December 1999
http://www.zeldadungeon.net/wiki/Interview:Incite_December_1999
Incite Game Magazine: Is this game system exactly the same or have you added any new features?
Miyamoto: Yes, its basically the same except for the masks. When you wear the masks you can transform into another creature and then you have controls to master.
Incite Game Magazine: Are there still plans to release a 64DD Zelda ?
Miyamoto: Distinct from this new version, we do have another 64DD Zelda game. Weve currently suspended development because were busy with so many projects and we wanted to concentrate on Zelda Gaiden, but were still working on it. We werent sure which one to do first but for the moment weve put the 64DD to one side to do this new Zelda. However, theres no relationship between them at all. Zelda Gaiden is an original story, while the 64DD uses Ocarina of Time as the base theme. In the 64DD version, certain elements in the story send you off on different paths.
Incite Game Magazine: Whats different about the 64DD version?
Miyamoto: Well, simply put, every time you go into a dungeon, the tasks will be different. If there was a treasure chest in a certain location the last time you went in, then the next time you in it wont be there.
Incite Game Magazine: Will we be about to play an online Zelda?
Miyamoto: Up to now we havent really started to think about this. However, were not looking to create a multi-player on-line system for Zelda. With the 64DDs read/write capability, were thinking along the lines of a new dungeon data downloads, and swapping your data with other players.
Miyamoto and Aonuma on Zelda - Dec 2002
http://www.ign.com/articles/2002/12/04/miyamoto-and-aonuma-on-zelda?page=5
Q: Regarding Ura Zelda, is there any different between the 64DD version that was in development and the GameCube version? Did it use any functionality with the 64DD? And, is it coming to the U.S.?
Miyamoto-san: Although we did develop Ura for the 64DD, it didnt use many of the special features. So it was very easy to port over to the GameCube without cutting any features. Why we did it, well that was because the 64DD was only released in Japan and it was only sold to subscribers of the RandNet system. For a long time we wanted to make it available for play and find a way to do that. It was expensive to make cartridges, so we had through about different ways. One thing we thought about was tie-ups with magazines. Once GameCube moved to disc media, though, it became much more feasible to make it available. In terms of how weve done it, we didnt want to make it limited edition. So weve tried to make it available to as many people as possible.
Also, Im not sure if youre aware but Ura Zelda isnt very different from the Ocarina of Time; its more of a second quest. People who played through Ocarina of Time would be able to play through Ura Zelda and get a few laughs at some things, find some things more difficult, and take a few varied paths. However, even if you do play all the way through the end it will not unlock anything special.
Iwata Asks - Zelda: Spirit Tracks - 2009
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/ds/zelda/0/0
Aonuma: No, we didnt just start making The Legend of Zelda: Majoras Mask, not right away. There was actually a flip-side, and in the beginning, the idea was to make a Ura (Flip-Side) Zelda.
Iwata: That Ura Zelda (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: Master Quest) was developed for the 64DD. Ultimately, we recorded it on a limited edition disc that went to people who reserved The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker.
Aonuma: Ultimately, other staff members handled The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: Master Quest. Still, as someone who has been in charge of the dungeons, I just couldnt get that excited over making a flip-side for them. I couldnt see it turning into a new The Legend of Zelda, either. But wed been told to make The Legend of Zelda. It isnt as though we could just say, I dont want to, and end it there. At that point, Miyamoto-san gave us a tradeoff: he said, if we could make a new The Legend of Zelda game in one year, then it wouldnt have to be a flip-side.
Iwata: Well! So youre saying The Legend of Zelda: Majoras Mask was the result of your team picking up the gauntlet hed thrown down? (laughs)
Aonuma: Yes. That was the deal. But The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time did take three years to make, you know!?
Nintendo Power makes reference to the The Legend of Zelda's Second Quest Japanese name "Ura Zelda" with the headline "Another World".
Good info Mak. Thanks for this.
ShockingAlberto
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Awesome. It's cool to have people who know their shit make posts like this.The consistant explanation from Miyamoto and Aonuma over the years on Ura Zelda was that it was a second quest with rearranged dungeons. Even if unused content was found, the Ura Zelda project was focused on rearranged dungeons as a second quest, which is what we got with Master Quest.
1999 - http://www.zeldadungeon.net/Interviews-1999-08-27-IGN-64-Shigeru-Miyamoto.php
IGN64: We played Gaiden a short while ago and its very impressive. But were curious, will Link grow up in Gaiden?
Miyamoto: I actually dont know, but I heard that the adult Link will probably appear this time too. Also, if you say that Gaiden on the show floor is really good stuff I can feel very comfortable because that means my staff members have already become better than me when it comes to game creation.
IGN64: Tell us about Ura Zelda.
Miyamoto: Ura Zelda is based on The Ocarina of Time for 64DD. It has the same construction of gameplay. Its very much a parody game based on Ocarina of time, but with new dungeons to explore. It even features the same storyline.
Miyamoto Shows off Zelda 64 - May 1998
http://www.ign.com/articles/1998/05/27/miyamoto-shows-off-zelda-64
Q: Will there be a 64DD Zelda or an add-on?
Miyamoto: I dont know if add-on is the right terminology. For the 64DD, we are working on a Zelda game, which we call Ura Zelda, where you first play the initial disk version of Zelda after finishing everything, you can enter into the world, into the basic design of the same. This sort of WaZelda is now in the works for the 64DD.
Talkin' Zelda with Mr. Miyamoto - Space World '99 - Nintendo.com 1999
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/makzelda/interviews/zgmiyamotosw99.html
Q: After hearing rumors of Ura Zelda for Nintendo 64 Disk Drive, Zelda Gaiden for the Nintendo 64 cartridge format was a pleasant surprise. Can you tell me how these two games came to be developed?
A: We are working on two follow-ups to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. "Ura Zelda" uses the same system as Ocarina of Time but uses the 64DD to add game data. The story in "Ura Zelda" will be similar to Ocarina of Time but with new maps and scenarios. Zelda Gaiden, on the other hand, is a completely different game, although it too uses essentially the same game system as Ocarina of Time. Everyone has enjoyed the Zelda series but there's typically at least a 3 year wait between sequels! People who are in Junior High School when they play one Zelda game would be in High School by time the next game comes out, and those in High School will graduate before the next game came out! So, we wanted to make a new game in the series sooner. "Ura Zelda" will use the existing Ocarina of Time cartridge but with different dungeons, and new locations for the treasures. Since the 64DD media is cheaper than a new cartridge, this is an inexpensive way to make a sequel. We may also consider using network technology for "Ura Zelda." Right now, most of the staff is concentrating on Zelda Gaiden.
http://www.zeldadungeon.net/Interviews-1999-08-27-IGN-64-Shigeru-Miyamoto.php
http://www.ign.com/articles/1998/11/18/zelda-dd-the-other-adventure
http://www.ign.com/articles/2000/08/26/ura-zelda-complete
http://www.ign.com/articles/1999/08/21/gaiden-and-ura-zelda-split
Incite Video Games magazine December 1999
http://www.zeldadungeon.net/wiki/Interview:Incite_December_1999
Incite Game Magazine: Is this game system exactly the same or have you added any new features?
Miyamoto: Yes, its basically the same except for the masks. When you wear the masks you can transform into another creature and then you have controls to master.
Incite Game Magazine: Are there still plans to release a 64DD Zelda ?
Miyamoto: Distinct from this new version, we do have another 64DD Zelda game. Weve currently suspended development because were busy with so many projects and we wanted to concentrate on Zelda Gaiden, but were still working on it. We werent sure which one to do first but for the moment weve put the 64DD to one side to do this new Zelda. However, theres no relationship between them at all. Zelda Gaiden is an original story, while the 64DD uses Ocarina of Time as the base theme. In the 64DD version, certain elements in the story send you off on different paths.
Incite Game Magazine: Whats different about the 64DD version?
Miyamoto: Well, simply put, every time you go into a dungeon, the tasks will be different. If there was a treasure chest in a certain location the last time you went in, then the next time you in it wont be there.
Incite Game Magazine: Will we be about to play an online Zelda?
Miyamoto: Up to now we havent really started to think about this. However, were not looking to create a multi-player on-line system for Zelda. With the 64DDs read/write capability, were thinking along the lines of a new dungeon data downloads, and swapping your data with other players.
Miyamoto and Aonuma on Zelda - Dec 2002
http://www.ign.com/articles/2002/12/04/miyamoto-and-aonuma-on-zelda?page=5
Q: Regarding Ura Zelda, is there any different between the 64DD version that was in development and the GameCube version? Did it use any functionality with the 64DD? And, is it coming to the U.S.?
Miyamoto-san: Although we did develop Ura for the 64DD, it didnt use many of the special features. So it was very easy to port over to the GameCube without cutting any features. Why we did it, well that was because the 64DD was only released in Japan and it was only sold to subscribers of the RandNet system. For a long time we wanted to make it available for play and find a way to do that. It was expensive to make cartridges, so we had through about different ways. One thing we thought about was tie-ups with magazines. Once GameCube moved to disc media, though, it became much more feasible to make it available. In terms of how weve done it, we didnt want to make it limited edition. So weve tried to make it available to as many people as possible.
Also, Im not sure if youre aware but Ura Zelda isnt very different from the Ocarina of Time; its more of a second quest. People who played through Ocarina of Time would be able to play through Ura Zelda and get a few laughs at some things, find some things more difficult, and take a few varied paths. However, even if you do play all the way through the end it will not unlock anything special.
Iwata Asks - Zelda: Spirit Tracks - 2009
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/ds/zelda/0/0
Aonuma: No, we didnt just start making The Legend of Zelda: Majoras Mask, not right away. There was actually a flip-side, and in the beginning, the idea was to make a Ura (Flip-Side) Zelda.
Iwata: That Ura Zelda (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: Master Quest) was developed for the 64DD. Ultimately, we recorded it on a limited edition disc that went to people who reserved The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker.
Aonuma: Ultimately, other staff members handled The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: Master Quest. Still, as someone who has been in charge of the dungeons, I just couldnt get that excited over making a flip-side for them. I couldnt see it turning into a new The Legend of Zelda, either. But wed been told to make The Legend of Zelda. It isnt as though we could just say, I dont want to, and end it there. At that point, Miyamoto-san gave us a tradeoff: he said, if we could make a new The Legend of Zelda game in one year, then it wouldnt have to be a flip-side.
Iwata: Well! So youre saying The Legend of Zelda: Majoras Mask was the result of your team picking up the gauntlet hed thrown down? (laughs)
Aonuma: Yes. That was the deal. But The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time did take three years to make, you know!?
Nintendo Power makes reference to the The Legend of Zelda's Second Quest Japanese name "Ura Zelda" with the headline "Another World".
It always struck me as such a cumbersome halfway house solution between the N64 carts and CDs. The DD's proprietary discs would only hold 64 MB of data, compared to nearly 10 times that amount on a CD, while most N64 carts held 32 MB (some up to 64, like RE2, some less). So for nearly another $100, you'd get an add-on that would have games the size of RE2 and a few other features like an internal clock on your N64.
In retrospect, it was one of the dumbest accessories/add ons ever. If this had been part of the N64 from Day 1, maybe the system would've been somewhat more kindly received by third parties (64 MB discs rather than the usually 16, sometimes 32 MB carts they had in the early days of the N64), but I doubt it.
Animal Crossing 64 is still one of the most ridiculously ambitious things on that system, though, and there's no way it could've happened without the disc drive. Also Mario Artist, which is probably the coolest thing on the N64 that didn't leave Japan.
In retrospect, it was one of the dumbest accessories/add ons ever. If this had been part of the N64 from Day 1, maybe the system would've been somewhat more kindly received by third parties (64 MB discs rather than the usually 16, sometimes 32 MB carts they had in the early days of the N64), but I doubt it.
Animal Crossing 64 is still one of the most ridiculously ambitious things on that system, though, and there's no way it could've happened without the disc drive. Also Mario Artist, which is probably the coolest thing on the N64 that didn't leave Japan.
An idea so bad Sega couldn't wait to make it their own.
The ultimate culmination of these half-baked ideas were the adoption of HDDs in the console space. And not just as an ill-conceived add-on released late in the life of the system in order to extend it, but as something that came included from day one.
The ultimate culmination of these half-baked ideas were the adoption of HDDs in the console space. And not just as an ill-conceived add-on released late in the life of the system in order to extend it, but as something that came included from day one.
Square and Enix were both basically heading towards the N64 on cruise control, under the assumption that the N64 would be actually, y'know... good, and then Nintendo announced that the N64 would be cart-based, as opposed to having CDs. Square and Enix were like "Oh hell no" and Nintendo almost immediately started talking about how the 64DD was coming soon, and Square and Enix cooled down towards "hesitant".
I remember reading a story about how Nintendo's people visited Square and Enix and asked them for a wishlist of things they would like to see in the 64DD (anything except CD), and Nintendo came back with the idea of preloaded fonts. Apparently several bytes of storage space can be saved in text-heavy games by having a set of basic fonts be pre-loaded into the 64DD system by itself. You see, Nintendo really loves you! Sega and Sony don't think about listening to your requests and including pre-loaded fonts in their system. Nintendo was also apparently willing to extend the official title of "64DD Design Partners" to Square and Enix.
But it wasn't enough. Square said "Yeah, fuck this. We're leaving. Playstation is better. You coming Enix?"
Possumowner
Member
I'd pay some good money for that,although it's probably worth more than my bank account.
Looking back Nintendo could of achieved a lot of what they set out to do with the 64DD with a device that used a standard 1.44 MB FDD. A box of 10 disks bought by the user for Mario Artist would be enough for a lot of people if you could just transfer the files to PC for printing. Plus dmf style 1.7 MB disks could be used for game expansions, potentially filling the expansion pak to become a 4MB patch decompressed.
not quite. sony stepped in with bags of cash, reduced royalties and a marketing budget to entice square to leave Nintendo. its why the two companies didn't had bad blood for the longest time. the increased space provided by cd was only icing on the cake.
sony played dirty back in the ps1 days. theyre doing the same with the ps4 and it works well for them. would be nice to see Nintendo try a similar tactic for a change.
Sure sony might've moneyhatted, but Nintendo engaged in genuinely illegal, anti-competitive practises in the 80s and 90s. I don't know how you can portray them as innocent.
Happens every time you build up speed for 12 hours.
MooMilk2929
Junior Member
Boy, did this thread get derailed fast. Everyone is talking about Zelda and noone said Zelda was on the blue disc.
Thaedolus
Member
Nintendo playing dirty would be them going back to their roots. Nintendo in the 90s wasn't the "clean" company, they just made a series of dumb decisions (screwing over Sony was the first)
thepenguin55
Member
This is cool but call me when someone finds a working copy of Earthbound 64 and Ura Zelda. Also, remember the day where you could buy a boxed 64DD for less than $1,000? It feels like a distant dream at this point...
thepenguin55
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The fact that the F-Zero X Expansion has never officially been incorporated into the F-Zero X VC rom is criminal.
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An idea so bad Sega couldn't wait to make it their own.
The fuck is the point of this? 64DD at least mad a little sense due to how expensive 64MB N64 carts would cost to produce, but even the highest capacity Zip disk (750MB) still holds less than a Dreamcast GD-ROM (1GB).
Crazymoogle
Member
It wasn't meant to hold bootable games. It was meant to be a large storage solution for saves and anything else developers wanted to store.
Thaedolus
Member
VMUs could only hold like 128k, it was a rewritable storage medium for games that would take advantage of the extra space.
Turns out nobody wanted that.
It is re-writable and allows for way more storage then a VMU for DLC?
I didn't think Sony's moneyhats were particularly vital to the story. Sony was courting Square since the SNES CD debacle, PSX was on the market for a year and Square did nothing. Square and Enix had a hard time with carts on the SNES. Nintendo unveiled carts and then 64DD for the N64, and Square asked Sony if their offer was still on the table. 64DD was an attempt, but wasn't enough, to keep Square. Enix didn't even get the Square-style moneyhat, but they still followed suit.
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