ScientificPizza
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I really wonder if that will be the case. A year is a long time and when Scorpio is new and much more powerful, the Pro will be old news. Unless Sony have something planned for next year.
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Sonys Andrew House Found Microsofts Response to the PS4 Pro Quite Intriguing
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DangerMouse
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Yup. That shit was rampant until the E3 conference shut it down, even from the media.
pixelation
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NVMND. Misunderstood post.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Yeah, I would say the Scorpio is a bit of an "X" factor. It could very well turn the tide if it does everything Microsoft has said it will (and more since it's a year out). It might handle backwards compatibility much better, for one. Original Xbox backwards compatibility might be a realization too. I feel like Scorpio's intentions will be to make it clear that investing in Scorpio is an investment in an ecosystem that won't go away with the next system (digital or otherwise).
The real questions you should be asking:
1. How does Microsoft prove to the mainstream consumer that their newer, more expensive box with a fraction of the install base is worth investing into if you are already one of the 60+ million PlayStation customers? (*estimation of how many PlayStation family units will in the wild circa Fall 2017)
2. What could motivate Sony to launch PlayStation 5 earlier?
3. If Scorpio is an unbridled success- what sort of ambition and raw specs bump could Sony aim for in the PlayStation 5?
ScientificPizza
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why should i be asking about the playstation 5 lmao
Main factor is price imo You'll be able to get the pro at $350 Holiday 2017. If Scorpio is $500 or more Pro will sell more with ease.
IMO, Scorpio's success or failure, will directly reflect what the PS5 is.
Scorpio and PS4 Pro represent two different attempts at the "enthusiast" gamer. Price point aside- Sony is banking on an install base of 60+ million by the time Scorpio launches alongside a significant price difference. Sony's attempt at fighting Scorpio is to try and convince consumers that the fidelity gap is small enough that-- more importantly-- things like price point and where the largest player online base is - will be the primary determinant for sales.
Scorpio's hedging its bets on technical fidelity and is a test to see how important fidelity is to the mainstream consumer. Xbox will look to convince consumers that Native 4K, better graphics, and "definitive" versions of console ports will be more important to consumers than price point or install base.
In either case:
1. If Scorpio reverses Microsoft's fortunes and truncates PS4 Pro Sales, it reinforces to Sony/the industry that raw specs, native resolution, and technical features are far more important than install base and price point.
2. If PS4 Pro's momentum continues well beyond Scorpio's launch, it signals to Xbox/the industry that consumers value price points and a larger pool of players to interact with over raw specs and accessory media functionality.
The consumer ultimately decides what makes a PS5/XB2. Hence why I ask about PS5.
Nocturno999
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You don't see the difference between making anti-consumer decisions and just making an unimpressive product? How quickly do people forget the shit MS were trying to pull?
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
If MS wants to make a dent in market share, they need to take a hit and release Scorpio at a low price point.
Square Triangle
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Says the company that made the "How to share your games" video? Pleasssee, Sony.
But didn't everyone go into that E3 assuming Sony were going to pull the same stunt as MS was trying to do? They had to do something. And they chose comedy, which is always good.
Spukc
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MatrixMan.EXE
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For sure. The PS4 is a great product but I feel Sony has almost gotten too comfortable. PS4 is a great product and by far my most used console because it delivers tonnes of content I want to play at a consistent pace. But if you look at all of the things they've stumbled on recently: UHD Blu-ray, Issues with account hacking, cross-play, mods, their PS4 Pro messaging, raising the price of PSN...like you say, it's a far cry from the Sony had took names in 2013.
While I disagree with the idea that they've become arrogant again, I do think that their success is exposing an air of complacency which is why it should come to no surprise to anyone that Microsoft is taking advantage of it. Sure, in the long run they've lost the sales war but why wouldn't you take shots at the competition within reason? Keep Sony on their toes. It's good for everyone.
I also think that House is right here that Microsoft's tone has changed since announcing Scorpio, but it's the nature of the beast. It's petty, but also kind of funny, a bit like Sony's "another Mario game" post back in 2013. As gamers we should be sitting back and enjoying the theatrics from afar because at the end of the day, they're only doing it to woo us into spending money on their platforms and services rather than the competitions.
Memorabilia
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100% agree on all counts. It's amazing how corporations become "Prosumer" when they've been humbled and have been put in a position of coming from behind. The idea that both MS and Sony are better when they're in 2nd place is basically an industry truism at this point.
Just look at AMD and Nvidia. AMD in their architectural woes is investing heavily into "mainstream" prices and hardware that can offer premium performance for as little money as possible.
Meanwhile, Nvidia has symmetrically increased prices year over year because consumers keep buying no matter what the cost. As long as they have zero competition and a consumer base willing to overlook glaring issues like their two year old GPU now lagging below the performance of it's direct competitor of yore by a substantial margin- or their drivers absolutely breaking older GPUs - they have zero reason to change a thing.
The "true" fruits of success are higher prices for future products, less value, and lack of innovation because - let's face it- why change something or offer more when you have no reason to.
xamidoxhua
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Why would they expect the competition to be so nice?
Thinking Scorpio is going to turn the tide worldwide when the Xbox brand is at such a disadvantage outside of the US and UK is pure fantasy.
Portugeezer
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Man that was beautiful. So many game journos were saying PS4 would have some sort of DRM like the XB1, what a brilliant response to all that nonsense the video was.
No, only ignorant idiots thought that.
If Sony does a pricecut around Xbox Scorpio that is all it would take to stay competitive for the holidays . Price point is very important during holidays.
All the people calling the console generation won remind me of the people who said PS3 was dead in the water circa 2007 or 2008. It came back in sales over the lifetime of the console. Microsoft has a tougher battle given its historically weaker strength in EU and JP that it only magnified with its stumbles out the gate, but they still have plenty of opportunity. Only begun the console wars have.
Now that Xbox One has lost its two main advantages, the sales in got outside UK and US and the Kinect crowd which resulted in the insane PS3 and 360 gap. Will Scorpio's new found power levels be enough to overcome this? Tune in next week and find out on the next exciting episode of Consol War Z.
You acknowledge the xboxs failings in the rest of the world (albeit briefly) there is, without a doubt, a 0% chance they can come back on a world wide scale and outsell the ps4. This is not comparable to the ps3/360 generation gap which was primarily because the xbox was winning uk/Na. They may be able to catch (maybe, just maybe) up to the sales in Na and the UK. But they will never catch world wide. They just don't have the brand awareness of the playstation around the world.
PS3 launched a long time after the 360, and caught up fairly consistently over it's lifespan. Here, the two have released together, and PS4 has blitzed the XB1 since day 1. I don't see how the two situations are comparable.
potatohead
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This isn't even remotely comparable to the PS3 versus 360. PS3 managed to turn around their sales and actually eventually outsell the Xbox 360, remember?
And that's with the 360 releasing a full year ahead of the PS3. And not only that, it was cheaper than the PS3 for the entirety of the lifespan essentially. Often times by more than $100.
And PS3 still ended up selling more in the end.
In which reality could it happen that Xbox One + Scorpio eventually outsells PS4 and Pro? There probably isn't one anywhere remotely close to our universe.
Fabtacular
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I just remember playing MGS IV on PS3, and at one point in the game between levels there's a loading screen that says "Please insert Disk 2. Just kidding! Unlike the competition, PS3 uses Blu-Ray disks so you'll never have to use multiple disks!"
In the middle of a $60 AAA game there was what amounted to a sniping ad for the PS3 at the expense of the Xbox 360. It was incredible.
PeregrinSe7en
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Head.spawn
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Empyrean Heaven
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Never something you like to see when you go to NeoGAF's homepage. Scared the crap outta me!
MatrixMan.EXE
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Real talk, have Sony actually done any shit-talking this outside of the 9 months between PS4's announcement and launch? I feel they've been fairly quiet despite their huge sales lead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAV-Tr146Og
It was a clear reference to the 4 disc PS1 game, as this happens in a location that's been bought back from that game.
I don't see why you chose to quote it wrongly, tbh...
This is the Xbox 360 vs. Ps4 all over again. But with the roles reversed.
Why are people mad about the Sharing video?Weren't most of us against no used games? That did so much damage it saved us from no used games. This is one case were I am glad they did it.
The increase in psplus is the only real one. no uhd is anti dozensofus.gif, thats no big deal.
The increase in psplus is the only real one. no uhd is anti dozensofus.gif, thats no big deal.
PeregrinSe7en
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what has sony done that's anti-consumer?
potatohead
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Oh my God people. Seriously?
That was a reference to the Dualshock versus standard PlayStation controller on the original PlayStation. You know, the time it sniped it's own platform because of not having an analog stick at the start? Yea.
Also a reference to having multi-disk games on PS1. You know, like the original Metal Gear Solid.
Inside joke.
Jesus Christ how old are people here. I'm too old. Probably. Revisionist history be taking over though.
Touche.
In my defence I was only thinking along the lines of a year head start against a power/feature upgrade with a significant premium.
DJSebolski
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Not a big fan of this Andrew House guy. Very uptight "suit" in comparison to Phil Spencer.
qa_engineer
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PeregrinSe7en
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lol perfect response
Memorabilia
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Yeah, I agree for the most part. I mean, I'll definitely be buying Scorpio at launch. But even tho I'm a bit underwhelmed by the Pro, a holiday price cut would probably reel me in. So I could see picking up both new consoles next x-mas. I think both will sell pretty well with regard to realistic expectations at the higher price points, just as both the PS4 and Xbone have sold well relative to last gen.
RedAssedApe
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Andy House always looks like he's unhappy even when he's happy. Like its a pained smile. lol
Nothing really factual wrong with what he said though.
Nothing really factual wrong with what he said though.
ms pr is so good.
I like the bants between them, gives me 13 pages of firey threads to read when I wake up in a morning.
Then again, I think MS stating their features isn't really a console war-ish, it's just stating your features.
With what Phil said, didn't he only refer to himself personally? He's not made any tweets similar to what Major Nelson and Aaron Greenberg have made has he?
Then again, I think MS stating their features isn't really a console war-ish, it's just stating your features.
With what Phil said, didn't he only refer to himself personally? He's not made any tweets similar to what Major Nelson and Aaron Greenberg have made has he?
Boombloxer
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Maybe someone should pull up their old console war slide from 2002?
This isnt new, sales-wise, generation's been over, and they won.
They have nothing to worried about.
Nah. If its really going to be viewed in the same lens as a cell phone except with luxury trimmings, then this is basically for the core market and that's it.
Most of the base is happy and will keep buying games as normal.
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