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"Sony calls on Ken to save PS3."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21132265-36375,00.html
KEN Kutaragi, the engineer known as the father of the Sony PlayStation video game console, is to split his time between Sony and a new joint venture with Japan's Namco Bandai, as Sony attempts to reinforce fraying ties with third-party game developers.
The new venture, Cellius, comes as US and Japanese sales of PlayStation3 - launched in November - have slowed dramatically in the face of high prices and a shortage of "must-have" games.

Mr Kutaragi will continue as chairman of Sony Computer Entertainment while serving as a part-time executive director at the new venture, 51 per cent owned by Namco and 49 per cent by Sony.

Mr Kutaragi's appearance on the Cellius board comes just seven weeks after he was made chairman of SCE, a nominal promotion which removed him from the day-to-day running of the business amid signs of strained relations with Sony chief executive Sir Howard Stringer.

Cellius has the task of developing games that exploit the advanced capabilities of the PS3's powerful Cell processor.

The Cell chip, co-designed by Sony, Toshiba and IBM, boasts supercomputing capacity, but game studios have yet to tap its full potential, given the high cost of designing games for the PS3.

Some observers speculate that by giving Namco Bandai direct access to Mr Kutaragi, Sony is hoping to ensure the loyalty of a developer whose only two PS3 games are the top and second-best selling titles for the console.

Credit Suisse games analyst Jay Defibaugh said Namco Bandai had assigned Isao Nakamura, one of its foremost games developers, to run the new joint venture, even though "developing games for the PS3 carries a lot of risk".

A Sony spokesman said the joint venture would not design software just for the PS3, but also for regular PCs, hand-held devices and mobile phones - all products offered by Sony.

Since November, three major Japanese games developers have acted to reduce their exposure to Sony's flagship console.

Square Enix said last month that Dragon Quest IX, the latest instalment in a series that racked up $US41 million ($53 million) in game sales for previous PlayStation consoles, would only be produced for Nintendo's hand-held DS machine.

Koei and Sega Sammy have both said that games previously earmarked as PS3 exclusives will now also be developed for its rival platforms, Nintendo's Wii and Microsoft's Xbox 360.

Sony still hopes PS3 sales will get a lift from promised exclusive sequels later this year in Square's Final Fantasy and Konami's Metal Gear Solid series.

The loss of exclusivity for the PS3 for either game would be a serious blow to the game console's short-term sales prospects, Nomura analyst Yuta Sakurai said
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Good for gamers, period. More titles on cross platforms, less of a reason to shell out $$ to buy all of the consoles.
 
I didn't really get the impression that's entirely what Cellius is about, but if it is, they picked an odd studio to pair with.
 
genjiZERO said:
I've never believed cross-platfoorm was good for gamers. Good games are console tailored.
Well, between 360 and PS3, I think so. Since I already have a 360, this is good for me...and most of everyone else. But I see where you're coming from, a game tailored for the DS and the Wii are somewhat 'harder' to do that.
Core407 said:
Call me when you figure out how to get Sony first party titles on 360. Maybe then I'll have a reason to get a 360 over a PS3. :)
True...but hey, you can't have it all, right? :)
 
i disagree with your summary.

less exclusive titles means fewer games taking advantage of any one console's strengths.

Personally, I'd rather have ALL exclusives and buy 2 consoles.
 
the girl next door said:
Well, between 360 and PS3, I think so. Since I already have a 360, this is good for me...and most of everyone else. But I see where you're coming from, a game tailored for the DS and the Wii are somewhat 'harder' to do that.

True...but hey, you can't have it all, right? :)

This post pretty much sums up the tone you have set for this thread.

Sure to be a winner.
 
genjiZERO said:
I've never believed cross-platfoorm was good for gamers. Good games are console tailored.

There you have it folks, the truth, this is what next-gen should have been like.
Not the multi-platform, port every game to every console market it is now.
 
genjiZERO said:
I've never believed cross-platfoorm was good for gamers. Good games are console tailored.
Perhaps not good if you're saying this from a polishing perspective. Most games, especially nowadays, aren't so good at taking advantage of one console's hardware strengths that it means that the gameplay changes fundamentally as it goes multiplatform. Almost anything that comes out these days is so neutral that it can move to another platform with little taken away outside of superficial differences, IMO.
 
theBishop said:
i disagree with your summary.

less exclusive titles means fewer games taking advantage of any one console's strengths.

Personally, I'd rather have ALL exclusives and buy 2 consoles.
Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have all the games on my console of choice, so I don't have to buy 2 (or 3) consoles. *shrugs*
 
I'm imagining Sony bringing Ken out of his sleep chamber much in the way Master Chief woke up.
 
Haunted_One said:
Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have all the games on my console of choice, so I don't have to buy 2 (or 3) consoles. *shrugs*

that would be great if the consoles had identical features.
 
Core407 said:
Call me when you figure out how to get Sony first party titles on 360. Maybe then I'll have a reason to get a 360 over a PS3. :)

There are enough reasons already....unless you watch alot of HD movies, what other reason right now is there to buy a ps3 over a 360?
 
mylilbuddy said:
There are enough reasons already....unless you watch alot of HD movies, what other reason right now is there to buy a ps3 over a 360?

PS3 is future proof, MotorStorm, Resistance, mod scene and the fact that Sony plays up their systems features.
 
Multi platform isn't good for gamers. This new gen especially it's horrible. Porting from any consoles to any other is harder that last gen.
 
theBishop said:
i disagree with your summary.

less exclusive titles means fewer games taking advantage of any one console's strengths.

Personally, I'd rather have ALL exclusives and buy 2 consoles.

This hasn't been a problem for the Xbox 360 so far since all crossplatform titles have been using it as it's primary platform. I wonder what will happen later on when games are developed for the PS3 and then ported to the Xbox 360.

I do agree though, games made with multiplatform in mind would lack the polish they would have had otherwise.
 
the girl next door said:

No - just common sense.

If games do get bigger than DVD9 sizes, which they definitely will, Sony will be able to handle it without a problem. I'm not saying its going to happen, but its a good way to future proof the system.

You can argue all you want about the system, but the simple fact is that Sony's first party games will sell the system and rightfully so.
 
Core407 said:
You can argue all you want about the system, but the simple fact is that Sony's first party games will sell the system and rightfully so.

Wow, that would be quite a turnaround for Sony, since they won the last two generations because of their strong 3rd party support.
 
Core407 said:
You can argue all you want about the system, but the simple fact is that Sony's first party games will sell the system and rightfully so.

And Nintendo's first party software is the key to N64 and GameCube domination. Believe. :lol
 
CorwinB said:
And Nintendo's first party software is the key to N64 and GameCube domination. Believe. :lol

The systems offer two completely different things. I don't even think Nintendo has any competition and the real fight will be with MS and Sony.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
Perhaps not good if you're saying this from a polishing perspective. Most games, especially nowadays, aren't so good at taking advantage of one console's hardware strengths that it means that the gameplay changes fundamentally as it goes multiplatform. Almost anything that comes out these days is so neutral that it can move to another platform with little taken away outside of superficial differences, IMO.

I can't remember the last mult-platform game that's been innovative.
 
I've already shot my CELLIUS theory wade on the official announcement thread.....

here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5404628&postcount=56

and

here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5404782&postcount=66

The thing that gets me about the whole endeavour is the choice of partner. If they were really looking to kick start some incredibly ambitious venture they could have chosen a much better partner than NAMCO. Bandai's consumer electronic division might have played a big part in that decision though. Kids toys and the like. Imagine one of those Teddy Ruckspin toys except powered by a CELL......

f*ck that, Westworld with toddlers.

Square might have been a better fit if they were looking to do something with CELL other than develop games for the PS3.

As it is, I think that we might see Sony make another deal like this with another Japanese developer.

However, I don't think it's all hands on deck at Sony quite yet, they still have alot of first party stuff to show and perhaps some more third party exclusives as well. The question is when?



puck1337 said:
With any luck, this company will produce an authoritative package of CELL-based middleware.

Again, a possibility, but why choose a developer that's been struggling thus far with their next gen offerings?
 
the girl next door said:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21132265-36375,00.html

Good for gamers, period. More titles on cross platforms, less of a reason to shell out $$ to buy all of the consoles.
Utter bullshit. In my opinion, at least, the vast, vast majority of the time sees console-specific titles massively outdoing their multiplatform competition in every creative respect. And less console competition is not good for gamers.
 
Core407 said:
No - just common sense.

If games do get bigger than DVD9 sizes, which they definitely will, Sony will be able to handle it without a problem. I'm not saying its going to happen, but its a good way to future proof the system.

You can argue all you want about the system, but the simple fact is that Sony's first party games will sell the system and rightfully so.

Welcome to the world of technology! Lesson 1: there's no such thing as future proof.

If anyone actually believes the PS3 will last 10 years, they're out of their minds. While they might still make games for it, there will be a replacement.

There is "always" a replacement. Hell, they're probably working on it as I type.
 
theBishop said:
I am almost scared to ask:

Just what position is the PS3 in right now?

hmmmm

PhoenixDark said:
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although it's too early to say, really
 
Eteric Rice said:
Welcome to the world of technology! Lesson 1: there's no such thing as future proof.

If anyone actually believes the PS3 will last 10 years, they're out of their minds. While they might still make games for it, there will be a replacement.

There is "always" a replacement. Hell, they're probably working on it as I type.

I didn't mean it in that sense. I just think that the decisions made by MS to rely on older tech will start to cause problems later in the cycle. These problems will probably be solved through accessories (bigger hdd, hd-dvd drive for games), but that means you'll be required to upgrade at some point.
 
theBishop said:
I am almost scared to ask:

Just what position is the PS3 in right now?

Close third place in the US (11% marketshare), distant second place in Japan (26% marketshare), and not yet launched at all in Europe.

What position it will be in in a few months remains to be seen. We'll need to see how it sells post-holiday/post-launch in the US, but it certainly hasn't picked up any new momentum yet in Japan.
 
theBishop said:
I am almost scared to ask:

Just what position is the PS3 in right now?

Personally, I think the PS3 is going totally over the heads of it's demographic, it's not really a game system anymore.
 
Core407 said:
No - just common sense.

If games do get bigger than DVD9 sizes, which they definitely will, Sony will be able to handle it without a problem. I'm not saying its going to happen, but its a good way to future proof the system.

You can argue all you want about the system, but the simple fact is that Sony's first party games will sell the system and rightfully so.
Sony these days has an impressively broad first party portfolio, but I don't ever really think of PlayStation systems selling on the strength of first party in the same way that Nintendo and Xbox consoles do.
 
Y2Kevbug11 said:
I'm imagining Sony bringing Ken out of his sleep chamber much in the way Master Chief woke up.

I was thinking something a little more...dramatic.

"The PS3...is she....alright?"
"Like, 21,000 sold last week in Japan."
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You know the rest.
 
Whoop

Exclusives are cool, Multiplatform games are cool, this thread is not.
As long as companies want to make money multiplatform games will continue to exist..yawn.

And like the PS2 and PS1 before it I don't really see the PS3's first party line-up worth buying the system over.
 
theBishop said:
I am almost scared to ask:

Just what position is the PS3 in right now?

Would you say it's in great position trailing both of its competitors and doing little to catch up?
 
Chris Remo said:
Sony these days has an impressively broad first party portfolio, but I don't ever really think of PlayStation systems selling on the strength of first party in the same way that Nintendo and Xbox consoles do.

Xbox consoles sell based on first party titles? Thats the funniest thing I've heard all day! :lol Apart from Halo & Halo 2, what first party titles did MS release on the Xbox that fueled sales?
 
Steroyd said:
I can't remember the last mult-platform game that's been innovative.
There aren't that many that are not multiplatform that very innovative, either...IMO. Right now, I'm not seeing shit that's exclusive on the PS3 that can stand up to what's exclusive for the other two...from a freshness standpoint. It's only the hope that the ICO/SotC team will deliver goodness again and very few other games exclusive to PS3 that really keeps me interested in owning it once it drops in price. Everything else Sony-exclusive, from what has been shown so far, is mostly missable to me. I hope Sony's got lots in the oven.
 
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