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Sony claims "they're mapping to that forecast" to hit their 6M PSP's sold in NA in 05

Hmmm... They've sold 3M in NA by the end of November, 1 month to go to hit another 3M.

Sony on track to double videogame player sales

By Lisa Baertlein

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Sony Corp. (6758.T: Quote, Profile, Research) is on track to double the number of PlayStation Portable video game players sold in North America to around 6 million at the end of its first holiday season this year.

The sharp screen on the paperback-sized video game device has won over movie fans, fortifying a solid debut though not a runaway success along the lines of Apple Computer Inc.'s (AAPL.O: Quote, Profile, Research) iPods.

Analysts predict that the PSP's long-term prospects are good, but where the iPod is praised for its stunning ease of use, some PSP players have told Reuters that games are slow to load on the device and that its left thumb-operated mini joystick can be awkward to master.

"Clearly there is not the intoxication or hysteria that there is with the iPod," said Janco Partners analyst Mike Hickey, who is among those betting on the PSP's success.

Sony Computer Entertainment America President and Chief Executive Kaz Hirai told Reuters in October the company's goal is to double its install base by selling between 2.5 million and 3 million additional PSPs in North America by year end.

"We're mapping to that forecast ... We're very comfortable with where we are," Sony spokeswoman Molly Smith said in a recent interview.

The PSP debuted in late March, piling up accolades from technology luminaries and consumers taken with the bright, crisp color screen on the sleek black device. As of November, Sony said it has sold more than 3 million PSPs in North America, where it retails for around $250.

"The PSP is for an older audience, the content is definitely for an older market," said IDC video game analyst Schelley Olhava.

Nintendo Co Ltd's (7974.OS: Quote, Profile, Research) Nintendo DS ($130) is the PSP's closest rival, although it targets a younger and more female market. Now in its second holiday season, the DS has sold 2.7 million units in the United States as of the end of November, according to NPD Funworld. The PSP's U.S. sales were 2.5 million as of November, the market researchers said.

The PSP launched with 24 games and now has over 70 titles available for the system, a Sony spokesman said.

The game getting the most buzz -- and the one analysts predicted could drive device sales -- is "Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories" part of the best-selling and very controversial urban action game franchise.

Still, Hickey would like to see better games -- which will likely come as developers get to know the system better.

On the movie side, analysts said it is becoming more common for films to release on DVD and on Sony's Universal Media Disc at the same time.

Underscoring the "adult" market for the PSP -- as well as pornography's role in early technology adoption -- Playboy.com offers video and picture downloads for the PSP. Numerous other Internet sites also offer porn downloads.

URBAN NOMADS

Sony, which has sold nearly 30 million of its market-leading PlayStation 2 video game consoles in the United States since it was released in late 2000, is promoting the PSP with a controversial graffiti ad campaign featuring dazed-looking kids using the PSP as a skateboard, a rocking horse or a jack-in-the-box.

"We're really looking at our target as urban nomads," said Sony's Smith, who added that the PSP is the first device to meld multiple digital entertainment genres -- games, movies, music, photos and the Web.

While the campaign, which cropped up in seven markets from Los Angeles to Miami, spawned charges that it undermined the credibility of street art, Smith said it reached target buyers.

Some analysts said short supplies of Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT.O: Quote, Profile, Research) new Xbox 360 video game consoles may boost sales of the PSP and other hand-held devices, but others disagreed.

Olhava and other analysts, who had hoped to see a holiday price cut on the PSP, said the its price tag remains an obstacle to more rapid growth.

"The market is limited because the price is so high," Olhava said.
 
If they only sold about 350k in North America in November .... their sales estimates are really unrealistic.

They'll be lucky to sell 1 million PSPs for Nov + Dec combined.

PSP is a cool unit, but it really needs a smaller redesign (fold out design) and a HDD before it can even think about competing with the i-Pod.
 

DCharlie

Banned
""We're really looking at our target as urban nomads," said Sony's Smith, who added that the PSP is the first device to meld multiple digital entertainment genres -- games, movies, music, photos and the Web."

YOU FORGOT GP32 ... oh wait, the GP32 didn't have any games! carry on...
 

jj984jj

He's a pretty swell guy in my books anyway.
They also expected to sell 1 million on the first day.... it's just PR hype. MS and Nintendo does it as well. Though nobody beats Sony at it, MS is trying. :lol
 

Westonian

Member
sonycowboy said:
...As of November, Sony said it has sold more than 3 million PSPs in North America, where it retails for around $250.

...Now in its second holiday season, the DS has sold 2.7 million units in the United States as of the end of November, according to NPD Funworld. The PSP's U.S. sales were 2.5 million as of November, the market researchers said.

I'm confused, Sony says more than 3, but market researchers (read NPD) say 2.5, so which is more accurate? Either way, no way in hell Sony is selling 3 million more by the end of the year.
 
sonycowboy said:
As of November, Sony said it has sold more than 3 million PSPs in North America, where it retails for around $250.

according to NPD Funworld. The PSP's U.S. sales were 2.5 million as of November, the market researchers said.
.

I wonder whos right?

*eye rolling face*


And yeah, good luck with those 3 million system this December Sony.


Edit: Damn you Westonian
 
jj984jj said:
They also expected to sell 1 million on the first day.... it's just PR hype. MS and Nintendo does it as well. Though nobody beats Sony at it, MS is trying. :lol


Yeah but these sales expectations that Sony has are more unrealistic than some of the King Kong box office estimates that people were throwing around.

I don't think they could sell that many PSPs even with a $199.99 price cut.
 

jman2050

Member
Westonian said:
I'm confused, Sony says more than 3, but market researchers (read NPD) say 2.5, so which is more accurate? Either way, no way in hell Sony is selling 3 million more by the end of the year.

The key word is 'North America'
 

AniHawk

Member
All you gotta do is just ship them. You don't even have to sell them as long as you ship 'em!

Or you could also send out numbers representing units manufactured instead.
 

Rhindle

Member
He also forecast 2.5-3.0 million PS2 sales in Nov/Dec.

I think they may be a wee bit off track on that one as well.
 

Kasra

Banned
Didn't Phil Harrison say they have sold 10M worldwide?

How the fuck is that true if they haven't even hit 3M in the states?
 

AniHawk

Member
Kasra said:
Didn't Phil Harrison say they have sold 10M worldwide?

How the fuck is that true if they haven't even hit 3M in the states?

5 million in NA
3 million in JP
3 million in PAL.
 

Matix

Member
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Tiktaalik

Member
Honestly, I'm surprised they've even sold this many. I thought for sure that the market they were aiming for didn't exist at all, but I think the movies thing is helping them a lot.
 

AniHawk

Member
Kasra said:
NPD says 2.5M for NA. Where are you getting 5?

And where are you getting these JP & PAL numbers?

NPD says 2.5M for US as of November (sell through rate). Whatever sony sells = shipped. The numbers I posted are estimates based on the sales we have from various sources provided here. The real number may be closer to 12 million overall.
 

DCharlie

Banned
"NPD says 2.5M for US as of November (sell through rate). Whatever sony sells = shipped. The numbers I posted are estimates based on the sales we have from various sources provided here. The real number may be closer to 12 million overall."

... or not! we just don't know.

Personally, I don't imagine 2.5m North american sales in NA this month. And it looks like the DS is the hot item in Japan this xmas.
 
PSP won't have 2.5 million in sales in the month of December worldwide IMO, let alone just in North America.

WTF was Sony thinking with those estimates?
 

Kasra

Banned
AniHawk said:
NPD says 2.5M for US as of November (sell through rate). Whatever sony sells = shipped. The numbers I posted are estimates based on the sales we have from various sources provided here. The real number may be closer to 12 million overall.



Shipped?

I'm talking sold-to-customers.
 

Mook1e

Member
Zaxxon said:
Honestly, I'm surprised they've even sold this many. I thought for sure that the market they were aiming for didn't exist at all, but I think the movies thing is helping them a lot.

It's probably also the games thing:


PSP Total 6,299,544

6.2 million games sold and 2.5 million PSPs sold in the USA. People are buying this thing for games, don't you think?
 

AniHawk

Member
Mook1e said:
It's probably also the games thing:


PSP Total 6,299,544

6.2 million games sold and 2.5 million PSPs sold in the USA. People are buying this thing for games, don't you think?

Yeah, but the MOVIES THING IS HELPING THEM OUT A LOT
 

Izzy

Banned
DCharlie said:
... or not! we just don't know.

Personally, I don't imagine 2.5m North american sales in NA this month.

Because that number is pure, unadultered bollocks. Personally, I expect PAL PSP > NA PSP sales for December.
 

koam

Member
Westonian said:
I'm confused, Sony says more than 3, but market researchers (read NPD) say 2.5, so which is more accurate? Either way, no way in hell Sony is selling 3 million more by the end of the year.

NPD are not accurate, they're estimated numbers since they don't cover all retailers (walmart and costco for example are not tracked).
 

littlewig

Banned
Man, you guys are starting to sound like Gamecubers back when GC started struggling sales wise. Keep grasping for straws, maybe Sony's bullshit might come true if you guys do.


*waits for Wal mart reference*
 

Striek

Member
littlewig said:
Man, you guys are starting to sound like Gamecubers back when GC started struggling sales wise. Keep grasping for straws, maybe Sony's bullshit might come true if you guys do.


*waits for Wal mart reference*
Selling ~10k less than DS a month, so they're both failures like GC?
 

Pimpbaa

Member
Striek said:
Selling ~10k less than DS a month, so they're both failures like GC?

This is GAF, where anything other than 1st place or anything less than a 9.5 score is a bomb.
 

Azelover

Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
Shipped numbers can be pretty useless, specially when they're that off track. Retailers have definitely overestimated the PSP, I wonder what they're gonna do with all their units eventually, cause Sony will do whatever is possible to keep shipping and shipping.
 

Pimpbaa

Member
Azelover said:
Shipped numbers can be pretty useless, specially when they're that off track. Retailers have definitely overestimated the PSP, I wonder what they're gonna do with all their units eventually, cause Sony will do whatever is possible to keep shipping and shipping.

Sell them like every other console/handheld?
 
Pimpbaa said:
This is GAF, where anything other than 1st place or anything less than a 9.5 score is a bomb.

Damn right, we're like that crazy parent that berates their kid for not playing good enough in sports, goes ballistic when they get a B+ on their report card, and yells at them to "suck it up, you pussy!" when they get benched.

:lol
 

littlewig

Banned
Striek said:
Selling ~10k less than DS a month, so they're both failures like GC?

First of all, you're comment doesn't make any sense. What do you mean both?

Also, like I said, you guys are act like the cubers when the GC started to struggle in sales. Constantly bringing up Wal mart and clinging onto lies.
 

Striek

Member
littlewig said:
First of all, you're comment doesn't make any sense. What do you mean both?

Also, like I said, you guys are act like the cubers when the GC started to struggle in sales. Constantly bringing up Wal mart and clinging onto lies.
Its obvious you were trying to impart PS2-success to the DS sales. You don't even have to mention it you're so transparent. PS2 = DS, PSP = GC lolamirite?

PSP isn't struggling at all*, stop being a 'tard.

*apart from Sonys unrealistic goals, as a platform its much more successful than GC or Xbox.
 

AniHawk

Member
Striek said:
Selling ~10k less than DS a month, so they're both failures like GC?

I thought the GC ultimately started going downhill when it tied the Xbox in November 2002 and Splinter Cell unexpectedly outsold the GC's biggest games (Metroid Prime, Star Fox Assault, Super Mario Sunshine).

So yes, the 10k less than DS am failure total.

We have 11 used PSPs in our store alone. PEOPLE CAN'T RID THEMSELVES OF IT FAST ENOUGH.
 

littlewig

Banned
Striek said:
Its obvious you were trying to impart PS2-success to the DS sales. You don't even have to mention it you're so transparent. PS2 = DS, PSP = GC lolamirite?

PSP isn't struggling at all*, stop being a 'tard.

*apart from Sonys unrealistic goals, as a platform its much more successful than GC or Xbox.


More like the sales between Xbox and Gamecube.
 

AniHawk

Member
Kevtones said:
Its weird, and probably just my store, but I've sold maybe 3 UMD movies since the PSP launch. Who is buying these?

People who really, really, really like Are We there Yet?
 

elostyle

Never forget! I'm Dumb!
AniHawk said:
I thought the GC ultimately started going downhill when it tied the Xbox in November 2002 and Splinter Cell unexpectedly outsold the GC's biggest games (Metroid Prime, Star Fox Assault, Super Mario Sunshine).

So yes, the 10k less than DS am failure total.

We have 11 used PSPs in our store alone. PEOPLE CAN'T RID THEMSELVES OF IT FAST ENOUGH.
Is that a lot or are you being sarcasting. Don't know what the average used system stock is :)
 

Striek

Member
littlewig said:
More like the sales between Xbox and Gamecube.
You seriously think PSP sales are going to taper out to jack all like GC?

Its weird, and probably just my store, but I've sold maybe 3 UMD movies since the PSP launch. Who is buying these?
If those people are Australian; Morons. UMD's here are over twice the price of DVDs, 4x budget DVDs (which alot of the UMD titles are).
 
I hope Sony PSP is successful actually, because I think it will lead to an inevitable Nintendo-Apple partnership.

Now with Nintendo emphasizing a game download service (basically a video game i-Tunes) and Apple expanding the i-Pod beyond just music ... the companies are so alike in almost everything they're trying to do.
 

AniHawk

Member
Striek said:
You seriously think PSP sales are going to taper out to jack all like GC?

One can hope.

Is that a lot or are you being sarcasting. Don't know what the average used system stock is

It is quite a lot to be honest. Especially for an expensive system that came out earlier this year. The most we ever had of DSes was 10.

Though the most I've ever seen were 30 used Xboxes in stock.
 

Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
Even if Sony only manages, in the end, to grab 20% of the handheld market, isn't that a SEVERE reduction of Nintendo's stranglehold on the industry?
 
Y2Kevbug11 said:
Even if Sony only manages, in the end, to grab 20% of the handheld market, isn't that a SEVERE reduction of Nintendo's stranglehold on the industry?

Well it depends ... are Sony really taking away any of Nintendo's audience?

In Japan it looks like Nintendo is actually selling more portable hardware than they ever have.
 
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