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[Nouzka]

Some here said I had been salty or something. To make it clear, I was not. You probably missunderstood me, I think. I was just thinking (like lying in the grass and looking at the sky) about what could have been or could be if the PS4 would be the all in one wonder with the best of everything. Things that were important for the ones who bought an xbox one (things, I mentioned: controller, ea access, backwards compatibility, streaming to WinPCs and stuff)
Most of the things aren't impossible for PS4, but the console just don't have it.Would be exciting to see the numbers then.

[And sorry for my grammar but as you can see I am not a native speaker )

I think your mention of 45 million sold if these features were in PS4 is just quite weird, like of course it's good to have more features in console and PS4 keeps adding those, but I doubt many of those will affect sales numbers, and not that much (15 million more!) at least.

And your grammar is fine .

 

[Thebeardofknowledge]

ughhhhhhh. why isn't it working for me?!?!?!??

Doesn't work for the 1% confirmed

 

[Toxa]

To be fair, he wasn't the only one who thought Sony was doomed. I had my doubts as well.

Wasn't there a thread asking who would win the current (PS4, XBOX One, WiiU) generation from ~2011, where literally everbody predicted MS would easily win, followed by Nintendo?

for some reason everyone wanted to see sony dead ...

I never really doubted since SWWS was too big to die

 

[The Artisan]

Doesn't work for the 1% confirmed

incorrect. it worked for me earlier in the year and then it just stopped.

i wanna hear it again

 

[Bert]

Playstation 1 made Europe as video game market basically relevant.

It was incredible how such a large untapped market was ignored by everyone before Sony.

Damn. Guess I imagined all those games I played before I was 16.

 

[sörine]

Playstation 1 made Europe as video game market basically relevant.

It was incredible how such a large untapped market was ignored by everyone before Sony.

You mean made Europe a console market. Consoles were relatively niche in Europe pre-PlayStation and none had passed 10 million iirc, a figure passed repeatedly in America and Japan by different machines previously. Videogames in general were still big in Europe during the 80s and early 90s thanks to micros and PC though.

I think the future of maintaining console growth (or at least stunting decline) rests on doing something similar today in Asia by converting PC gamers over to consoles. And Sony's definitely in the best position to do that.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

They meant 10 million in the U.S, and Ps4 is currently at 9 million

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[Curufinwe]

So almost two years after launch Sony is at 29 million, and Microsoft is at we don't report hardware sales anymore.

 

[crinale]

Playstation 1 made Europe as video game market basically relevant.

It was incredible how such a large untapped market was ignored by everyone before Sony.

People who promoted PS1 (til PS4) are brought from sales engineers of electrical appliances who have experience to sell products to markets with knowledge of neither who the hell Sony were nor what they make. They said the experience trying to sell their products to Eastern Europe long time ago gave them know-hows on product promotion & marketing, and patience too. (Those kind of experience is norm for any global companies who spanned over world market for ages, but in gaming industry Sony has a slight edger over competitors IMHO).

 

[ninjablade]

Wii is Nintendo's best product (with the DS). Wii's game library is awesome, and I'm happy that so many people in last generation experienced this greatness. Wii being the total sales leader before X360 and PS3 is just icing on the cake.

Yea wii being nintendo best product is just a opinion and not a populer one, as for the people experiencing greatness maybe, but i would think greatness sticks in people minds, and they would be salivating at the mouth for the company's next product. Some 100 million users to only 10 million just doesnt feel like greatness to me.

 

[sörine]

Dont care about any of those, all i care is about console sales, playstation brand is impenetrable in my mind. Microsoft was its main competition last gen did everything right, had a year head start, third party support as good as sony's, better hardware for third partys, most game run better on 360, much better controller, a huge boost by kinect, and was 100-200$ cheaper, and still sony made a come back, and beat it. the ps4, will bring the brand back to ps2 levels, sony will not make the ps3 mistakes again.

Vita. Brand isn't everything.

 

[Toki767]

So almost two years after launch Sony is at 29 million, and Microsoft is at we don't report hardware sales anymore.

On the bright side, we'll probably be hearing about how many cards were used in Halo 5 Warzone matches eventually.

 

[Gator86]

So almost two years after launch Sony is at 29 million, and Microsoft is at we don't report hardware sales anymore.

Hard to put it more concisely than that.

 

[TI82]

Vita. Brand isn't everything.

Easily the best handheld we've ever gotten, stupid memory cards killed it.

 

[PeterLegend]

Almost 30 million units before Uncharted 4, God of War 4 and Gran Turismo 7?

That is pretty unbelievable...

 

[ninjablade]

Vita. Brand isn't everything.

Nintendo is the nike of handheld gaming, the market is in a huge decline but nintendo owns that market.

 

[The Artisan]

So almost two years after launch Sony is at 29 million, and Microsoft is at we don't report hardware sales anymore.

they should, though. where could they be at now?

 

[AnthonypUK]

On the bright side, we'll probably be hearing about how many cards were used in Halo 5 Warzone matches eventually.

nah, next we'll hear about the 10s of millions of upcoming Xbox one sales.

http://www.vg247.com/2015/10/29/mic...-millions-of-360-fans-to-migrate-to-xbox-one/

 

[PdotMichael]

Damn. Guess I imagined all those games I played before I was 16.

SNES only sold like 8.58 million systems outside of Japan and America. That's indeed nothing compared to the 40 million Playstation 1 systems.

You mean made Europe a console market. Consoles were relatively niche in Europe pre-PlayStation and none had passed 10 million iirc, a figure passed repeatedly in America and Japan by different machines previously. Videogames in general were still big in Europe during the 80s and early 90s thanks to micros and PC though.

I think the future of maintaining console growth (or at least stunting decline) rests on doing something similar today in Asia by converting PC gamers over to consoles. And Sony's definitely in the best position to do that.

Maybe I'm running a wrong definition but video game market = tv bound systems while computer game market = PC market (or the old home computers).

 

[Game4life]

Sorry Taurus but lets not beat around the bush. Sony's world wide brand power in home consoles is way way way bigger than Nintendo and Microsoft just like Nintendo's in hand held is untouchable.

When Sony dominate, they shred. This is not true for its competitors.

Anyways great sales. I hope all consoles kick even more ass in 2016 which is shaping up to be the best year in gaming since a long long time.

 

[sörine]

they should, though. where could they be at now?

I wouldn't expect another figure out of MS until they've hit a major milestone (like 20m) and maybe not even then as it invites unflattering comparisons.

 

[jaaz]

You think this was good quarter? Just wait till that Star Wars: Battlefront LE PS4 comes out and the movie gets closer...

 

[PeregrinSe7en]

On the bright side, we'll probably be hearing about how many cards were used in Halo 5 Warzone matches eventually.

lol

who woulda thunk ms would resort to that kinda stuff

this has got to be one of the side effects of the xbone reveal right there

 

[Mass Effect]

So almost two years after launch Sony is at 29 million, and Microsoft is at we don't report hardware sales anymore.

It's making me think we might never know what the Xbox's sales are ever again. We might not even get LTD numbers after the generation is over.

 

[sörine]

Maybe I'm running a wrong definition but video game market = tv bound systems while computer game market = PC market (or the old home computers).

You are. Videogames = console, PC, handheld, mobile, browser, set top, plug n play, arcade, etc

Basically videogames encompass everything that's electronic, uses a screen/image display and a game. The console market is what refers to tv based game consoles specifically, although the term sometimes is used to include dedicated handhelds too.

so how do we gauge what the xbone's sales actually are?

We don't. It's been Vita'd.

 

[The Artisan]

I wouldn't expect another figure out of MS until they've hit a major milestone (like 20m) and maybe not even then as it invites unflattering comparisons.

It's making me think we might never know what the Xbox's sales are ever again. We might not even get LTD numbers after the generation is over.

so how do we gauge what the xbone's sales actually are?

 

[shwimpy]

so how do we gauge what the xbone's sales actually are?

NPDs and Media Create.

 

[joecanada]

Exceptional performance. While the PS4 is a failure in New Zealand, it's doing remarkably well everywhere else.

The software lineup for 2016 is insane. I honestly think the PS4 can clear 50 million by the end of next year.

I wonder if they sold those launch units yet?

NPDs and Media Create.

So then xbox numbers are basically just NPD.

 

[ethomaz]

NPDs and Media Create.

MC tracks sales below 100? It is close.

 

[The Artisan]

We don't. It's been Vita'd.

come on. no it hasn't.

xbone is outpacing the 360, so it is still in this race, even if it won't catch up.

NPDs and Media Create.

that'll be U.S. I guess we'll never know for worldwide (I don't really know what media create is)

 

[PdotMichael]

You are. Videogames = console, PC, handheld, mobile, browser, set top, plug n play, arcade, etc

Basically videogames encompass everything that's electronic, uses a screen/image display and a game. The console market is what refers to tv based game consoles specifically, although the term sometimes is used to include dedicated handhelds too.

Well, there is quite the distinction between computer games and video games in German, so I just went with that.

But whatever it doesn't change the fact that Sony is by far the most successful company in Europe. Just that fact made the claims in that old prediction threads quite questionable.

 

[gtj1092]

To be fair Wii also never had the full industry backing or high failure rate the PS1 did either. I went through 3 PlayStations but only ever needed one Wii for the gen. My PS1 also saw pretty much every big 3rd party game release on it while my Wii only got a handful of them.

The PlayStation brand isn't impenetrable either. It's been a raging success in one area (game consoles) but we haven't seen Sony able to capitalize on that sustained success with PS in other markets yet (handheld, mobile, set top, streaming, other electronics, etc). It's sort of stuck in a box, a box that's doing quite well mind you, but it shows the brand itself has somewhat a narrow reach past that. Microsoft seems to be having a similar difficulty moving Xbox beyond the game console sphere too.

Now we just need Vena and Darius and the cipher will be complete.

 

[ethomaz]

that'll be U.S. I guess we'll never know for worldwide (I don't really know what media create is)

lol Japan

Kinda useless for Xbone to be fair.

 

[EGOMON]

PS4 will be close to 40 million sold without releasing Gran Turismo , God of War , Uncharted or any of their big sellers.

Holy shit! i just realized that none pf the holy trinity released yet on PS4

 

[KillerMan91]

SNES only sold like 8.58 million systems outside of Japan and America. That's indeed nothing compared to the 40 million Playstation 1 systems.




Maybe I'm running a wrong definition but video game market = tv bound systems while computer game market = PC market (or the old home computers).

Commodore 64 and Amigas at least were commonly used with TVs in pretty similar way as modern consoles. Still using my older brothers Amiga 500 from time to time.

 

[ninjablade]

Holy shit! i just realized that none pf the holy trinity released yet on PS4

red dead redemption 2, gta6, last us 2, gt7 and uncharted 4, when those are released thats when you will see ps4 true potential.

 

[The Artisan]

lol Japan

Kinda useless for Xbone to be fair.

yeah it is. but I still think mS should release their numbers. oh well

 

[Tfault]

I wouldn't expect another figure out of MS until they've hit a major milestone (like 20m) and maybe not even then as it invites unflattering comparisons.

Okay, I know it's for Xbox One and 360 combined, but they do give a figure for the fiscal year

We sold 12.1 million Xbox consoles in fiscal year 2015 compared with 11.7 million consoles in fiscal year 2014.

 

[wapplew]

It's making me think we might never know what the Xbox's sales are ever again. We might not even get LTD numbers after the generation is over.

We might get number of bullets fire in Halo 5 soon.

 

[Neuromancer]

yeah it is. but I still think mS should release their numbers. oh well

Hardware numbers don't matter. It's all about MAUs now.

 

[The Artisan]

Hardware numbers don't matter. It's all about MAUs now.

monthly active users?

 

[sörine]

Okay, I know it's for Xbox One and 360 combined, but they do give a figure for the fiscal year

Like I said, One's been Vita'd by MS PR/IR. Let's all welcome the Xbox Family.

 

[Neuromancer]

monthly active users?

Fuck if I know

 

[The Artisan]

Fuck if I know

you're the one who used the acronym.

anyways, sales is still important, whether mS makes them public or not. but if they don't want to that's up to them.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

So then xbox numbers are basically just NPD.

Is Xbone selling anywhere else than in US and UK? NPD is quite much the amount they sell in a month + some odd small numbers here and there.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Good going for Sony.

Looking forward to some of the platform exclusives next year.

 

[mckmas8808]

Somewhere deep in the basements of Microsofts headquater in Seattle, Don Mattrick is chained to a bed, his eyes forced open by hooks. Directly above him is mounted a monitor that has a slideshow looping.

Slide 1: "Microsoft announces XB1 at 499$"
Slide 2: "Sony announces PS4 at 399$"
Slide 3: "Microsoft announces always online requirements"
Slide 4: "Sony announces no online requirements"
Slide 5: "Microsoft tells submariners to get a 360"
Slide 6: "Microsoft: Kinect is integral to the XB1 and cannot be separated"
Slide 7: "Microsoft: XB1 is all about TV... and games, we think"
Slide 8: "Sony outsells XB1 almost 3:1"

Slide 8 repeats 20 times before it starts over.

Seriously though, it's mindboggling how much a company can fuck up a launch like that.

And people want MS and Sony to screw up by making a Digital Only Console next gen LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

It'll be the worst thing either of them could do.

 

[PdotMichael]

And people want MS and Sony to screw up by making a Digital Only Console next gen LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

It'll be the worst thing either of them could do.

BD drives are so cheap these days, while it gives the console access to a well etablished retail channel for games. I'm not sure why a company would want to not include a BD drive in their consoles for the next 10 years.

 

[Neuromancer]

you're the one who used the acronym.

I was just messing around, yes it's Monthly Active Users.

 

[AdanVC]

Wow. Congrats to Sony. I guess this machine is a living proof that your console, in order to sell, doesn't need a GOAT game or a legendary franchise at launch to sell well, It's just a matter of intelligent advertisement that goes straight to the point and delivering a powerful machine without gimmicks and all that jazz -wich is exactly what gamers nowadays want-