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Sony given power to seize Geroge Hotz's computer, Twitter and Youtube request denied
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SonOfABeep
Banned
thanks to sony for being jerks about this whole thing
thanks to this thread for populating my ignore list with "Rah Rah Sony, Down with corporate rights" posters
thanks to this thread for populating my ignore list with "Rah Rah Sony, Down with corporate rights" posters
faceless007
Member
I'm pretty sure destroying evidence of a crime is always a crime, even if the authorities don't have any reason to suspect a crime has occurred.OldJadedGamer said:
SonOfABeep said:
So when anyone disagrees with you, the answer is to ignore them and try to pretend they don't exist?
This isn't directed at you personally - you're not the first person to say something like this, just the most recent. But I've been seeing people say stuff like this a lot lately, particularly in the geohot-related threads. Personally, I'd love to see the ignore list here eliminated altogether. (In my perfect world, they'd get rid of that and bring back search, too.
) I don't keep anyone here on ignore - regardless of whether or not I agree with someone's opinions, or whether or not they consistently annoy the fuck out of me, they might still have something interesting to say. Who wants to live in a fake little bubble of reality where anyone who doesn't agree with you is auto-muted?</mini_rant>
We now return you to our regularly-scheduled debate.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
faceless007 said:
We still haven't concluded in a court of law if it was a crime or not. His defense is that he was just messing around with his own personal property. He did the same on the iPhone and it wasn't considered a crime.
SonOfABeep
Banned
Tellaerin said:So when anyone disagrees with you, the answer is to ignore them and try to pretend they don't exist?
This isn't directed at you personally - you're not the first person to say something like this, just the most recent. But I've been seeing people say stuff like this a lot lately, particularly in the geohot-related threads. Personally, I'd love to see the ignore list here eliminated altogether. (In my perfect world, they'd get rid of that and bring back search, too.
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We now return you to our regularly-scheduled debate.
I only use this function when people say batshit crazy things to troll. Note how few of these "geohot deserves to be punished" guys have returned to have any kind of intelligent discussion. They made their insane point and left. I feel they have little to nothing to contribute to discussions and would rather not see their posts.
It's not about people disagreeing with me it's about not having to read troll posts.
If you want to discuss how Sony is in the right for doing what they're doing, i'm all for that. If you want to discuss how this strategy is appropriate and how it's benefiting Sony and their customers, I'm all for that.
If you want to post "cut off geohots balls he hurt my SONY" then GTFO
ON TOPIC: what is sony hoping to find on his hard drives? that he somehow distributed his copyrighted information with the jailbreak or something? I thought the jailbreak process required you to download the 3.55 update from sony to work alongside the jailbreak files.. seems like he would have nothing to hide.
TheChillyAcademic
Member
apana said:
I have a feeling he'll regret that video. Sony isn't going to let this go anytime soon, I think they've proved they are in this for the long haul.
OldJadedGamer said:
Well, for the millionth time, I suppose, you are wrong. Once litigation became reasonably foreseeable he had a duty to preserve evidence that might be requested in said litigation. There is no firmly established guideline for when, exactly, litigation might become reasonably foreseeable (this is generally a matter for the judge to decide), but once he received the first letter from Sony threatening litigation, it is likely that the time for digitally shredding his evidence had passed.
Of course he could have deleted the files prior to this blurry point in which litigation became reasonably foreseeable, and I'm not saying otherwise. This is where completely reading a post becomes important. The post I was responding to, and quoted, clearly stated "so what if he destroys/hides his computer?" As in, what if he were to do so from this point forward. So take your exasperated exaggeration elsewhere.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
ShortBus said:
fuck that, hack it.
Cry some more Sony. They need to knocked down a few pegs, and humbled in the old country way.
Keikoku said:
so basically the forbidden toy paradigm, is making them butthurt over all this. I can see that.
KidGalactus
Member
ShortBus said:
I'm pretty sure you can do whatever you want with the things that you own.
ShortBus said:
Bullshit!
Guess I can't change the tires on my car. Guess I can't install a new kitchen in my house. Guess I can't put more RAM in my computer...
Let's NOT go down this road.
If Sony wants to control what goes on PSN, fine. They have every single right to do that. I understand they don't want people potentially hacking games, PS Store and causing all sorts of problems. But as long as folks are not doing anything malicious, pirating games or making a profit off someone else's property, they are entitled to do whatever the hell I want. Play games, play music, hack it, burn it, shred it to pieces or piss on it, it should not matter to Sony at all.
EDIT
Basically, I should be allowed to do whatever the hell I want, with what I bought, offline, in the privacy of my own home. If Sony (or any company), wants to control that, they can fuck right off.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
The dude going through it has the maturity of a teenager, so I'm not sure what surprizes you in that case.-Pyromaniac- said:
Sony want to basically set a precedent that stops hacking through means of personal harassment. The fact their target is not showing much signs of feeling harassed does not mean they could not succeed eventually.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
ShortBus said:
No, I own a ps3, and a ps2, and a ps1, but that doesn't mean I will ever cheer lead for big business. Fuck that.
It really scares me that there are people, smart, seemingly reasonable people, on this site, that are so willing to let a big, multibillion, international corporation tell them what the can and cannot do. So willing to side with a company that...does not give a single rat's ass about you....only has it's one agendas and interests in mind.
I'll say it again...some of your are bat shit crazy. I don't know how some of you live, whether you just don't give a fuck or letting big ass companies have so much influence on how you think and what you do. It boggles my mind. It's one thing to support a company by purchasing their products because they're good. But it's completely different when you have blind devotion and defend them, when you get absolutely nothing in return. It's even worse when that company commits sever hubris and is clearly over stepping their boundaries
I'll say it again...some of your are bat shit crazy. I don't know how some of you live, whether you just don't give a fuck or letting big ass companies have so much influence on how you think and what you do. It boggles my mind. It's one thing to support a company by purchasing their products because they're good. But it's completely different when you have blind devotion and defend them, when you get absolutely nothing in return. It's even worse when that company commits sever hubris and is clearly over stepping their boundaries
ZombieSupaStar
Member
ShortBus said:
i have a 360, wii, ds, and a gaming pc also.
It was a mistake I know Ive probably put 100 hours into pc gaming for every 1 into console gaming this gen, but still I wouldn't cheerlead Microsoft (who actively try and fuck over pc gamers nowadays). A Closed system / Walled Garden sucks. The less the better!
timetokill
Banned
ShortBus said:
Do you think sony should be able to sue the people that buy PS3's and then smash them with a hammer in youtube videos?
DonMigs85
Member
I definitely think Sony went too far, but then again Hotz's actions COULD have a significant negative effect on their software royalty earnings for the next couple years at least. Hotz should have just left well enough alone, since future software releases, sales, online play, etc could get messed up. He's sorta like the Tengen of a new era.
SonOfABeep
Banned
ShortBus said:
Well that's essentially the question here, isn't it?
My opinion is yes, you should be able to. They should be able to ban you from online features, updates, etc.
But it absolutely should not be illegal. Leave this shit up to the companies, why does the government have to get involved beyond piracy/theft?
AdventureRacing
Member
blu said:
I have this sneaking suspicion that even if successful this won't deter hackers one bit.
SonOfABeep said:
The problem is that the US government already got involved, and created the DMCA.
Sony's also (at least so far) suing people who distributed work that allowed their copy protection to be circumvented. They're not suing people who modify their legally purchased console, there's a big difference there.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
In the case of Geohotz - most definitely. Guy is intelligent, but his ego far oureaches his intelligence, which is typical for teens. Actually, Sony must be feeling darn lucky for having him as the defendant, and not some other hacker who has reached mental adulthood.x3sphere said:
Whether I want to hack my PS3 because I'm bored, and install OFW after I'm done or backup (not pirate) 100 games, Sony shouldn't give me any trouble. As long as I
1) Don't pirate
2) Don't go online
They shouldn't care AT ALL.
And when it comes to fighthing piracy, let's be honest: The battle is already lost. You don't win by adding DRM and making things inconvenient for legit users. Adding value to your product and giving potential customers incentives, lower/ competitive pricing, flexibility and more freedom (with some semblance of control) is how you stop folks from hacking and/ or stealing your shit. It's that simple. Why add (or take away) things that are only going to piss people off and give them more reasons to acquire your product through unscrupulous means?
1) Don't pirate
2) Don't go online
They shouldn't care AT ALL.
And when it comes to fighthing piracy, let's be honest: The battle is already lost. You don't win by adding DRM and making things inconvenient for legit users. Adding value to your product and giving potential customers incentives, lower/ competitive pricing, flexibility and more freedom (with some semblance of control) is how you stop folks from hacking and/ or stealing your shit. It's that simple. Why add (or take away) things that are only going to piss people off and give them more reasons to acquire your product through unscrupulous means?
SonOfABeep
Banned
Massa said:
The government did get involved but there's also precedent for exceptions to be made.
I thought geohot specifically did not allow backups in his CFW? that stuff was enabled later by other hackers. They are probably included in the case as well.
At the same time there's no guarantee that anyone using multiman or something isn't just using it to salvage a system with a dead blu-ray drive or using it to store their games on the hard drive.
Hey, maybe instead of spending all this money chasing after the hackers why not implement legit game installation features like your competition did long ago?