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Sony given power to seize Geroge Hotz's computer, Twitter and Youtube request denied
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Ploid 3.0
Member
chrislowe said:
Nope, I didn't say putting things on the internet was a good idea. I just made a better example for what was in the quote. Something that the movie group would really hate (they'd lose money on directly). With tivo recording tv shows is common, so that isn't a problem. Mass producing copies, or putting them on the net for people to download.
You know what? If you tivo'd a episode of Ellen and made copies for your sister and brother you wouldn't get in trouble. Like if Geohotz hacked the ps3 and hacked his sister and brother's as well.
PetriP-TNT
Member
ananag said:
demosthenes
Member
Yeah, this guy is clearly doing it just to return OtherOS to people :roll.
squatingyeti
non-sanctioned troll
-viper- said:
You STILL have to buy both to do it. Sony is NOT losing money on the firmware, which is exactly the same as the phone situation. Firmware is provided for free. The argument that piracy could happen is no different than phones. Piracy could happen with phones, but people keep acting like it's a non-issue there and a huge issue here.
You cannot get CFW without purchasing a PS3. Sony is not harmed here. Firmware is provided for free and this has been established by the DMCA, law, and the phone exemption. Therefore Sony is not harmed by any change in value to the firmware because of jailbreaking. One cannot argue that Sony could be harmed while ignoring Apple could also be harmed.
Show me the fundamental difference between the PS3 and this:
Stop saying piracy could happen as Sony fought for your consumer rights in the past when piracy could happen because your rights outweigh something that could happen. Furthermore, piracy could happen with phones too and that means nothing.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
OK... that rap was embarrassing.
ananag said:
About a week ago I thought to myself that if anyone put up a song about this whole debacle, it would probably get a ton of hits and get posted on a decent amount of video game blogs/news sites, etc. I also decided against doing it myself because I really don't need to get sued right now (I would've incorporated the master key into the actual track)
While I figured someone else would step up and make a track, I never imagined it would have been geohot himself. BALLS OF STEEL
The lawyers will have a field day with this
squatingyeti
non-sanctioned troll
Also, being a dumbshit as he may be doing, still does not take away what I see as a consumer's right to fair use of a product they own.
It keeps being ignored that Sony is suing fail0verflow as well. They did not release the keys, but merely said how they figured it out. I suppose you all want it to be illegal to merely explain something now as well? Can't wait for everyone that released tutorials on breaking WEP to get sued next!
It keeps being ignored that Sony is suing fail0verflow as well. They did not release the keys, but merely said how they figured it out. I suppose you all want it to be illegal to merely explain something now as well? Can't wait for everyone that released tutorials on breaking WEP to get sued next!
squatingyeti said:
Just like I could use a car to run someone over. I could buy a knife and stab someone with it. I could buy a condom use it while I rape someone. You can't blame/ sue Geohot for the side effects of CFW. The only thing you can blame him for is distributing modified software over the internet.
DangerousDave
Member
What an attention whore.
BTW, is legal in US to leak the codes of smartcards to be able to see payment channels for free?
BTW, is legal in US to leak the codes of smartcards to be able to see payment channels for free?
squatingyeti
non-sanctioned troll
DangerousDave said:
Pretty sure it is, and that wouldn't really fall under fair use as the only purpose is illegal. There's a difference where something illegal could take place (in which case you should prosecute those doing such!) vs the sole purpose is to facilitate illegal activity.
I don't understand some people's arguments about custom firmware being used just for piracy when there's a giant PSP CFW thread telling you how to do everything. If someone asked me how to play pirated games on their PSP, I would point them directly to the fucking NeoGAF thread. No, it's not called "How to play games for free on your PSP", but let's put two and two together.
And we seem to be arguing on the premise that hardware hacks are some kind of preventable phenomena. History has shown us that the opposite is true.
[I had a gun analogy here, but didn't want to open up that can of worms]
I see this as innovation. All this shit is stifling innovation and it's sad. The companies just want to keep all their control when it's human nature to keep innovating on what's been done.
And we seem to be arguing on the premise that hardware hacks are some kind of preventable phenomena. History has shown us that the opposite is true.
[I had a gun analogy here, but didn't want to open up that can of worms]
I see this as innovation. All this shit is stifling innovation and it's sad. The companies just want to keep all their control when it's human nature to keep innovating on what's been done.
CadetMahoney
Member
If such a poll exists (which doesn't), the corporate nuthuggers would lose.daCuk said:
squatingyeti said:
phone exemption, phone exemption, phone exemption.... PS3 is not an phone, exemption does not apply here... get it inside your head. He is being sued for violating DMCA and suit was accepted... once again, exception does not apply here. it is moot point to talk about it and mention it all the time.
there is an reason they granted exception for phones only... they published 250 page long rulling on why is that. it is specific to phones.
DangerousDave
Member
squatingyeti said:
Not really, you can use it only to watch the channels that you already pay in other TVs or houses, or even as a backup card if you lose or damage your original card.
Are you saying that anyone that uses smartcards codes are pirates???
DarknessTear
Banned
Facepalm at Geohot thinking he's leading some kind of revolution.
and lol about him rapping about being fucked in the ass.
and lol about him rapping about being fucked in the ass.
Facepalm at Gaffers taking that video so seriously.
Pathetic? Revolution? Y'all just got trolled by Geohot if you thought that was some "I have a dream" shit he put up there. Yes, he is a huge dick and an attention whore, (news. at. fucking. 11.) but that video doesn't show his inflated ego, it just shows him sticking it for Sony not being able to take his YT/Twitter.
C'mon fam, it's just a video.
Pathetic? Revolution? Y'all just got trolled by Geohot if you thought that was some "I have a dream" shit he put up there. Yes, he is a huge dick and an attention whore, (news. at. fucking. 11.) but that video doesn't show his inflated ego, it just shows him sticking it for Sony not being able to take his YT/Twitter.
C'mon fam, it's just a video.
dope4goldrope
Member
enzo_gt said:
Seriously. The video was fucking hilarious!
squatingyeti said:
The issue is not about consumer's being able to use a product they own, it's about people being able to tell others how to circumvent a copyright protection scheme in ways that allow a copyright violation to happen.
This is not legal in the US. The DMCA was created specifically to make this kind of free speech illegal.
dope4goldrope
Member
That video was about as threatening as a newborn kitten. The whole thing was a joke. Anyone who thinks otherwise should probably put their head through a wall.Ploid 3.0 said:
DarknessTear
Banned
Aren't jokes supposed to be funny? It wasn't even clever.
Pretty much. Threatening sony? Massive LOL. Might as well throw him in jail already for premeditated murder using that logic.dope4goldrope said:
It wasn't even a plea for revolution. Or anything that can be taken as seriously as the majority of the Gaffers in this thread did, like Geohot just pissed on their families or something.DarknessTear said:
That said, it wasn't funny, nor clever, but people get up in arms over anything.
He's not the smartest guy, technically skilled, but not the smartest. BUT, he dares Sony to use it in the court. Will Sony? If their legal team consists of people who passed high school, then no, they wont. Geohot makes statement that does not affect the ongoing case, and we all move along. Sure geohot will get a bunch of YT likes from *ahem* "hackers" saying "yeah, fuck Sony! Hacking FTW!" but that does not affect shit in the grand scheme of things.expy said:
squatingyeti
non-sanctioned troll
spwolf said:
The phones got an exemption because that was what was being requested. There was nothing else being talked about WRT similarities outside of phones, that's why it was phones only, get it inside your head. Tell me, with what I've listed as directly from the exemption ruling, what is fundamentally different between the phones and the PS3? Also, it WAS illegal to jailbreak phones under the DMCA. Someone could sue those guys under the DMCA as well until the exemption. Understand this, just because some overbearing and broad law like the DMCA is put in place, does NOT mean that law itself is correct. It can be challenged and found, as the DMCA has been in several instances, too broad and overbearing.
You guys want to completely ignore how the similarities are so strikingly similar that it's ridiculous. I also like how you take the exemptions (all of them) and act like that whole document is about just the phones.
Right, it is now illegal to tell people how to do something, not to actually do it for them, just tell them how. Videos explaining how to break WEP encryption should be illegal too? What about fail0verflow? They didn't release the keys, they just explained how they found it. If you think that should be illegal, I bow to my new corporate overlords. Telling someone how you could pirate something on the internet should also be illegal too? Just telling them, not actually doing it? Holy fuck the reasoning behind some people.Massa said:
Also, we were being told how to do it for our phones before there was an exemption, but now it's perfectly ok to go into great detail how to do it. So, according to you all, that should have NEVER been allowed and the DMCA should have destroyed your ability to jailbreak your phone. After all, the DMCA said it was illegal.
phosphor112
Banned
Ploid 3.0 said:
Sounds more of an admission, I wouldn't be surprised if Sony used it in court.
Yep.TheChillyAcademic said:
Though, as much as he annoys me, that rap was legit. Like, real solid.
YoungHav said:
He is guilty of two things
1) Releasing modified software on the internet
2) Being an attention whoring douche bag
Neither warrant having your home taken from you. Sony isn't on the verge of collapsing because some kid in Jersey.
enzo_gt said:
Again, it's scary that people support a private corporation seizing personal property of 22 year old individual. It's one thing for law enforcement or the government to take your stuff (whether it be probable cause or having sufficient evidence), but a for profit, private company? Come on GAF, don't be stupid.
squatingyeti
non-sanctioned troll
phosphor112 said:
Ummm...I'm not sure whether he got the keys or not is in debate here. It's more whether it is fair use and if telling people how someone figured something out is illegal (fail0verflow).
faceless007
Member
Can't find the thread, but recently there was a grad student who published a paper detailing a major flaw in the credit card PIN system against the wishes of the credit card companies.
Should he go to jail too?
Should he go to jail too?