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Sony: not every PSVR game playable with DS4; some require Move
- Thread starter Neuromancer
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This thread is a prime example that people will try to argue for anything if (they think) it is the stance of their company of choice.
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Lol, it was very interesting is all I will say.
It was such a weird thing to argue for in the first place. I expected Sony to either backtrack or clear up their comments regarding this.
Neuromancer
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I always thought it made some degree of sense for Sony but ultimately I'm glad it wasn't the case. You're going to have to be happy with that.
Zalusithix
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Great, so PSVR owners will possibly be able to play some of the things made for the Vive/Rift that would have otherwise been sure to not come over. To say nothing of games made specifically for the Move/PSVR from the ground up. Meanwhile nothing was lost for games where it made sense to support the DS4 in the first place. Win/win.
Sangetsu-II
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Exactly, Sony encoraging devs to support for DS4 but not mandating it, is great for players who can't purchase the moves controllers straight away but it also supports devs with move only experiencies that also encourage players to buy the move controllers. Win/Win indeed. Devs will be happy too.
Samurai G0SU
Member
That mixed messaging
In all seriousness. I look forward to reviews of the PSVR games and see how it can move the industry forward.
Am i doing it right?
In all seriousness. I look forward to reviews of the PSVR games and see how it can move the industry forward.
slavesnyder
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Is Boyes already gone or why do they start to flipflop now?
Teknopathetic
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"Exactly, Sony encoraging devs to support for DS4 but not mandating it, is great for players who can't purchase the moves controllers straight away but it also supports devs with move only experiencies that also encourage players to buy the move controllers. Win/Win indeed. Devs will be happy too."
You are precious.
You are precious.
You'll really be missing out. Having hands in VR with Move is so much fun. Has nothing to do with waggle/gimmicks.
It's not an unpopular opinion to support regardless of who backs your favorite platform. I once tried to argue against PC games having to support KBM and people jumped on my throat.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Stupid Messaging, good design decision.
In what universe are KBM - PC comparable to Console Controllers - VR?
Maybe he meant PC VR?
Pai Pai Master
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They pulled a Microsoft. Thankfully this is the better outcome.
slavesnyder
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I think they didn't change anything in their policy. They just didn't want to tell people right away that Move is needed for some games. Or the suits didn't know better. Don't know what is worse.
Overall plain stupid and unnecessary.
Yeah, pretty sure it's a mix up in the key message. I don't think there was enough of us arguing against mandatory DS4 controls for them to "flip flop".
Even assuming this were a policy shift rather than just clarifying an announcement:
In a situation like this, when someone would rather a company be consistent about something problematic, rather than change it for the better, that opinion isn't worth listening to. Doubly-so if they would complain in both cases.
In a situation like this, when someone would rather a company be consistent about something problematic, rather than change it for the better, that opinion isn't worth listening to. Doubly-so if they would complain in both cases.
Finally some actual input instead of people running around like Chicken Little.
Blackleg-sanji1
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This entire thread was one circle jerk to be honest but I'm not surprised the the blame was shifted to one side
Branniganz Love
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Sony taking a page out of the MS playbook with confusing messaging, lol.
Seriously though, this is the right decision and I am glad they got it right. The DS4 is a good controller but you just can't shoehorn it into every VR game.
Seriously though, this is the right decision and I am glad they got it right. The DS4 is a good controller but you just can't shoehorn it into every VR game.
You mean finally we can stop pretending it wouldn't be a stupid idea.
Yes, that pretty accurately sums up how you act here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1154858
Neuromancer
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Some old beefs getting raised here
Astral/H3X
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You know this was posted way back on the first page but I really want to highlight how terrible of an idea it is to base VR games on the controls of a game that is largely known because of how *utterly shit* and cumbersome its controls are.
You know, for the medium of game where half the awesomeness is how organic and intuitive the controls are.
Spare me. Half the people in here even arguing against it are PC enthusiasts citing Vive as the magical reason why this wouldn't work Durante included. Now we have clarification from Sony and devs who actually are making games and not consumers propping up their devices.
Or maybe the reason why it wouldn't work wasn't "magical" at all, but rather obvious, and well-explained by many people over the pages of this thread. Obvious, at least, to anyone who has actually played VR games with tracked controllers.
But hey, everyone can re-read this thread from the first page and form their own opinion, especially in light of this clarification.
slavesnyder
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Still amazing how long it took the move controller to become useful for something worthy.
serversurfer
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I figured it was probably a misunderstanding, likely stemming from the recent news that everything in VR Worlds would be playable with a DS4 now. Golem is another game that has been billed as Move-only from the beginning, for example.
I do wonder how they'll handle two-handed operations in The Heist, like reloading. Button press?
Hence my relative calm.
I do wonder how they'll handle two-handed operations in The Heist, like reloading. Button press?
I'm in favor of giving devs as much freedom as possible, as long as they keep the garden reasonably tidy. Sony generally seem to feel the same, and indeed, have made it clear from the outset that devs are free require, support, or ignore any controllers they choose. Some games have no input but the headset, actually.
Hence my relative calm.
Pathfinder
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Great to see the clarification
Haha. As if any of the big gaming companies are good with their messaging lately.
Edit - oh and look for the record at all that "opinionated" "shit" people were apparently saying:
Haha. As if any of the big gaming companies are good with their messaging lately.
Edit - oh and look for the record at all that "opinionated" "shit" people were apparently saying:
Blackleg-sanji1
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Some of you really come off as some pc enthusiast for vr it's the console wars vr edition.
Believe me, I'm no "PC enthusiast". I have a PSVR on pre-order for launch day, and don't own a Rift of Vive as of yet. If you see my post a little above you can see that I'm not using the Vive as a reason this would have been a bad idea... but the original Move games which also would have been compromised had they not been allowed to be designed in a way that actually required them.
You post about people "running around like Chicken Little".. but that's not the case. Everyone in here was posting what this would mean if it were true, and that includes you and the other defenders that were claiming that it wouldn't have any negative effect, and "do you think Sony's engineers didn't take this into account when designing it?". If all you had been posting were that we don't know for certain that this would actually be mandated, then you'd be entitled to your high horse. But you weren't, and so you're not... so climb down off it.
DangerMouse
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I figured it was probably a misunderstanding, likely stemming from the recent news that everything in VR Worlds would be playable with a DS4 now. Golem is another game that has been billed as Move-only from the beginning, for example.
I do wonder how they'll handle two-handed operations in The Heist, like reloading. Button press?
I'm in favor of giving devs as much freedom as possible, as long as they keep the garden reasonably tidy. Sony generally seem to feel the same, and indeed, have made it clear from the outset that devs are free require, support, or ignore any controllers they choose. Some games have no input but the headset, actually.
Hence my relative calm.
Yeah, there were already games announced that seemed to be Move-heavy/Move-only. They seem to be mostly letting the devs do what works for them.
And that's a good point, there's already something that only uses the headset and no controller/Move.
Those reports are pretty much bullshit as most of the VR sites have had no problems with the Move and they've demoed PSVR at like a ton of conventions now.
Even on the old PS3 camera the Move could do 1:1 when devs wanted to have it, and the new camera is much better.
It's probably fair though that the Vive ones might be even better though, due to being newer and being tracked from multiple places around the room.
Some people have had bad experiences. But this seems to be cases of setups being half-assed for the demo.
I've had a really good experience last week-end myself with The Heist. One thing I noticed though, but not actually during my own demo, was that reps kept going back and forth in between the player and the camera, which going by the screen display, would make the screen jump. That could possibly another cause for a negative experience.
Of course it could also seem underwhelming next to the Vive controllers.