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Sony official financial report (10/25),PS3 worldwide sales revealed
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Thunder Monkey
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More then likely the same situation sales agers found in earlier Nintendo financials.DCharlie said:
Those are just shipped titles. Not sold.
The financial statements aren't audited. I don't know about Japan GAAP.
In Canada, they are supposed to be conservative with estimates, but being unaudited they can write something remotely reasonable and won't get called on it professionally. Shareholders might be ticked off but there isn't a huge repercussion for setting the bar too high.
In Canada, they are supposed to be conservative with estimates, but being unaudited they can write something remotely reasonable and won't get called on it professionally. Shareholders might be ticked off but there isn't a huge repercussion for setting the bar too high.
Actually that was originally a forecast, and one that they even stuck with well into 2007.Gadfly said:
Before last year, they reported "production shipments" which essentially means manufactured. These new figures are "sold" to retailers, which is the same definition MS and Nintendo use for shipped.Anihawk said:
Thunder Monkey
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I'd say it seems a little high.DCharlie said:well for Q1 and Q2 figures, they are sold - according to the financial notes.
So, Sony sold 10 million game units between July - September.
that seems very high if it`s just retail games doesn`t it? or is it just me being a hators?!
But then again so am I.
*cough*
Overall my take on the report, $645 million quarterly profit is good enough for Sony. Of course it must be a little sobering that a company like Nintendo with such a narrow range of product offerings and about 56 times fewer employees, almost generated twice as many profits.
PS3 sales of more than 1 miilion units to retail for the 2nd quarter isn't bad at all, at least in my eyes. I have high expectations for November and December enduser sales for both Europe and the US. IMO Sony doesn't have to rush with regard to Japan, there are enough high profile anticipated games underway for Japan to built up momentum later on (the XBox 360 is already a long term non-factor in Japan).
PS3 sales of more than 1 miilion units to retail for the 2nd quarter isn't bad at all, at least in my eyes. I have high expectations for November and December enduser sales for both Europe and the US. IMO Sony doesn't have to rush with regard to Japan, there are enough high profile anticipated games underway for Japan to built up momentum later on (the XBox 360 is already a long term non-factor in Japan).
Haunted
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Looking good for Sony, but not so much for the gaming division. Man, the PS3 is turning out to be a black hole for them. Wonder if they'll ever make money with that thing. At least the PS2 and the PSP (even if it's only HW) are still selling quite nicely, so the losses the gaming division incurs are substantial, but not 'OMG doomed! worthy.
oh snap. :lolPhife Dawg said:
PetriP-TNT
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I may not understand shite about those numbers, but they do look pretty good and on the line with previous Playstations to me (at least with PS2)
AniHawk said:
I think people expected the console to take off more since the few beginning months, but I'm talking about after all the doom and gloom the PS3 has been receiving for better than half of the time it's been on the shelves... You would've thought that they haven't made a console in months that nobody is buying them... It'll be interesting to see how things may pan out through the following year though, especially with big titles hitting and the price receiving some cuts...
I think these numbers are in-line with GAF expectation in last few months. I don't see any surprises here either way. in particular since these numbers represent retail shipment and not sales to end users, it is hard to say if they are that different from current consensus.AniHawk said:
The number for the next two quarters (9 million) is a lot more interesting and looks like few people (even Sony fans) are ready to get behind them.
Tyrannical
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Grayman said:
Sony is listed on the US stockmarket (isn't it?) and is subject also to US SEC regulations. Fibbing on financial statements could equal jail time.
But it's the forward looking statements we are looking at, and those are different. It would take willfull fraud to get nailed for that.
Given current JP/NPD PS3 consumer sales, world wide PS3 sales would be about another 2 million not counting the holiday bump in 6 months (two quaters). It looks like Sony expects to move about 7 million PS3s over the holiday season world wide.
titiklabingapat
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I actually think it's lower since many on GAF was pegging on Warhawk, Heavenly Sword and the $100 price cut as the start of the PS3 renaissance. Just talking about NPD here since these financial numbers are still sold to retailers, not end users.Gadfly said:
One question, why do people keep on saying that sold to retailers are essentially "sold"(in Sony and Microsoft's case). Can't retailers just return the unsold units back to Sony(And MS) if they start sitting on longer periods than they do now?
Haunted One said:
Yep... knowing that both PS2 and PSP are almost certainly doing pretty well in terms of profitability, it makes one wonder what the numbers would look like solely for the PS3... I think it's going to pick up some momentum with the price drops, but even then, I think it's a relatively long road yet to black ink...
Tyrannical
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Gadfly said:
How? Doesn't MGS come out end of march? I don't think it will do Halo numbers.
I don't think too many people make big console purchases after Christmas. If they don't buy a PS3 then, I don't think Feb/Mar are going to be huge PS3 months.
Well you COULD nitpick Nintendo's report the same way while you're at it.DCharlie said:that seems very high if it`s just retail games doesn`t it? or is it just me being a hators?!
Anyway I didn't see you questioning at the fact that PS2 has had 200M+ software units for three years in a row(and will be close to 200M this year again), even though adding up various MediaCreate/NPD numbers would never even remotely add up to it.
I guess it must mean that every year retailers incinerate unsold software so they can order more of the same.
And you don't have production shipment excuses with games either - Sony doesn't make decisions about units of 3d party software units printed.
titiklabingapat
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It still falls under the territory of sales agetheBishop said:
I have no idea honestly.Vagabundo said:
I do know that the unit numbers that go untracked by certain popular trackers are quite large though - granted it's budget priced stuff, but in the end it doesn't matter if game sold for 50cents or 500$, it will get counted in same numerical units on financial report of the manufacturer.
Fafalada said:
I never really though about it but the retailers have the power to make or break systems and games. I'm sure they have to be conservative in what they buy and how much the buy.
They would prefer something to sell out rather than have an over stock.
Still it depends on whether pubs buy back unsold games. I'm not too up on that, I know there is a rebate for mags and news papers.
Annoying Old Party Man
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How many PSP's worldwide so far and how many DS's?
Kotaku' apparently thinks the results show things are "looking up" for Sony.
They also have this to say about the new (3 months old?) reporting system:
Am I the only one that thinks this is misleading and can be interpreted as sold to customers and not retail?
They also have this to say about the new (3 months old?) reporting system:
Am I the only one that thinks this is misleading and can be interpreted as sold to customers and not retail?