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I hope that magnetic charge port becomes standard across all Sony phones.
I hope that magnetic charge port becomes standard across all Sony phones.
Sounds expensive as shitBecause..?
Sounds expensive as shit
No one will buy it
The thing that blows my mind about cell phones was just three years ago, the iPhone 4 was considered jaw dropping.
How in the fuck did phone tech advance so quickly?
Actually the rumored price is either the same or just above what the Xperia Z launched at so it should be quite affordable compared to other flagships.
Tacticalfox88:
The reason for all this advancement is simple - competition
I have seen pictures of a prototype L version, but it loses the waterproofing and possibly even the large sensor (reverting to a 13MP 1/3" like the Z) but gaining S800 and an AH-IPS screen and a larger battery (~3300mAh).
Not sure when or even if it will be released. I don't think the design is as good as the ZL though.
By cutting corners.
Sounds reasonableActually the rumored price is either the same or just above what the Xperia Z launched at so it should be quite affordable compared to other flagships.
Tacticalfox88:
The reason for all this advancement is simple - competition
Haters gonna hate.
But this thing is God Mode as far as Smart Phones go.
Best in class specs in every concievable check box. This thing is gonna kill the Galaxy line.
I really hope you mean in specs and aren't delusional enough to think sales.
So I actually really like the simple design of Sony's smartphones, except for that big ol metallic booger they got encrusted onto the side of all of them. What is that exactly? Camera button? Screen lock? It looks like it would pop off with a decent bump, sticking out there like that. Has that happened to anyone?
YAY, let's sacrifice image quality for resolution that no one will ever use!!! GREAT IDEA.
Lens info is as follows from esato:
f2.0 28mm equivalent Sony G Lens
You mean just like the 20 megapixel Sony RX100, right? You know, the P&S camera that's widely viewed as one of the best on the market. Apparently the camera sensor in this phone uses a smaller variant of the newer BSI sensor Sony developed for the new RX100 II. Sure it's a smaller sensor, but compare it against others on the market in the pic below (the Fuji has the same size sensor as Honami is rumored to have)
A higher pixel density means lowered image quality, all other things being equal. They are sacrificing image quality so they can put megapixel count on the stat sheet, despite no one actually needing 20 megapixels. Anyone who needs 20 megapixels isn't using a cell phone to take their photos. It makes no fucking sense.
A higher pixel density means lowered image quality, all other things being equal. They are sacrificing image quality so they can put megapixel count on the stat sheet, despite no one actually needing 20 megapixels. Anyone who needs 20 megapixels isn't using a cell phone to take their photos. It makes no fucking sense.
The RX100 proves high pixel count doesn't necssarily mean lower image quality, and that's a 1 year old sensor with an older JPEG algorithm compared to this one.
Also it makes perfect sense for being able to take high resolution crops. There may be other reasons so maybe someone else could discuss it further.
Same here. I have friends who got the ZL and one who got the Z despite me telling them about Honami. They all now have regrets, despite the phones they already have being very good on their own.
Hmm, I wonder how likely it is that Sony will put a 1" sensor into the 2014 flagship.
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Question to Sony:
"Why did you want a 20.2-megapixel sensor? I heard that this incredibly high pixel count would negatively impact noise levels, thereby decreasing image quality at high ISO settings.
Answer from Sony:
Ueda (Image Quality Design)
"Its true that increasing pixel count increases noise. But since we manufacture our own sensors, we can easily tweak sensor specs to suit specific needs. This allowed us to craft a totally new sensor that delivers superbly detailed images with low noise. For high-sensitivity shooting we managed to reduce noise levels below those of existing Cyber-shots by combining technologies from Cyber-shot and α Series. As a result, we can shoot at up to ISO 6400 for normal photos and up to ISO 25600 when using Multi Frame NR."
http://www.sony.com.sg/microsite/cybershot/rx100/index.html
This matter was also discussed further in this DPR forum posting:
"Also in the above statement, Kaimi (Product Design) said this:
"Some compact cameras keep noise down with lower pixel counts. But there are users who really want super-fine images, which require a high pixel count. But if the higher pixel count leads to unacceptable noise levels that the noise reduction system cant reduce without affecting image quality, it is essentially self-defeating. Our new sensor achieves both super-fine images and low noise so even distant landscapes shot at telephoto focal lengths show great detail. People are going to love this compact camera for travel photography."
What I'm saying Timedog is that it seems Sony has gotten things to the point where what you're saying isn't all that much of a factor anymore. These generation of sensors seem to offer the best of all worlds in terms of image quality and low light performance. It seems they've struck a good balance here. There's no need to lower the resolution as it's already producing class leading results.
Also I keep bringing up the RX100 and its sensor because Honamis sensor is a Jr. version of the one in the RX100 II, which is meant to improve upon the older one. If it were just some other random sensor, I wouldn't bring it up but it seems to be directly relavent.
How about this. Here's a direct quote from Sony about this exact subject you're bringing up:
http://www.robsphotography.co.nz/crop-factor-advantage-appendix-2.html
Sony seem to know exactly what they're doing here and the results their digital imaging arm have been pumping out for the last year support that. IIRC the digital imaging arm are directly in control of Honamis camera too, so have a little faith man.
I'm not saying that they cannot have THE BEST CAMERA EVER MADE with high pixel density, I'm saying that it would be even better with a lower pixel density. The accuracy of a signal is proportional to it's size. Lower pixel density would lead to a more accurate picture. Color accuracy would be increased, dynamic range would be increased, noise would be decreased, low light pictures and video would look better.
Like I said, almost no one buying a cell phone needs 20mp, so sacrificing better IQ in every photo isn't a good tradeoff for a mostly unused feature.
I also doubt that the lens in a cell phone camera with a 1/1.7" sensor is going to even be able to resolve 20mp.
Are you saying that if they would use only one pixel in their sensor it would yield the best image quality?
I'm not saying that they cannot have THE BEST CAMERA EVER MADE with high pixel density, I'm saying that it would be even better with a lower pixel density. The accuracy of a signal is proportional to it's size. Lower pixel density would lead to a more accurate picture. Color accuracy would be increased, dynamic range would be increased, noise would be decreased, low light pictures and video would look better.
Like I said, almost no one buying a cell phone needs 20mp, so sacrificing better IQ in every photo isn't a good tradeoff for a mostly unused feature.
I also doubt that the lens in a cell phone camera with a 1/1.7" sensor is going to even be able to resolve 20mp.
We're a little more than a month away from a flood of gadget news at IFA in Berlin, and we have a sneaking suspicion that an imaging centric flagship smartphone from Sony called "Honami" is going to be there. We've seen hints of what the phone's camera UI looks like, and now a leak from the Taiwanese site ePrice says the device has a 20.7-megapixel ExmorRS sensor that's the same size as the one in the Galaxy Camera and other point-and-shoots. It's also paired with a "Sony G-Lens," though hopefully not one as bulbous as some others we've seen. Other specs include a 5-inch 1080p display with the same Triluminos technology that's in the Xperia Z Ultra, Qualcomm's latest Snapdragon 800, 16GB of internal storage that can be expanded with microSD and a fairly massive 3,000mAh battery. If the alleged spec sheet after the jump is to be believed, then the Lumia 1020 and GS4 Zoom might have to face some serious competition.
According to Sony Alpha Rumors, Sony is planning a "lens camera" accessory for mobile devices. The lens camera features the same 1-Inch 20.2-megapixel Exmor R sensor and f/1.8 Carl Zeiss lens as the Sony RX100 II. Sony Alpha Rumors cites "two trusted sources" confirming the lens-camera-hybrid will have a built-in battery, NFC, and Wi-Fi. It'll be able to pair with (and mount onto) a number of smartphones, which will then act as a "live view" screen for the camera.