Beer Monkey
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PS3 never has to go online.
Unless you want to play Bionic Commando Rearmed.
Unless you want to play Bionic Commando Rearmed.
I hope both Microsoft and Sony get a cut from used game sales. The industry would be a LOT healthier.
You're telling me that people would give up on gaming just because they have to pay an extra fee on top of their used game purchase??
These are the blights on the videogame industry:
- Dev costs spiralling out of control due to publisher mismanagement.
- A complete lack of innovation in most genres, as every publisher tries to get their own Call of Duty. Too much risk to innovate, due to previously mentioned mismanagement.
- Aiming for short term profit to appease shareholders rather than any meaningful effort to make long term plans
- Ripping off consumers with overpriced DLC, online passes and used game limitations
- A stranglehold on the gaming media, rendering the majority of them as meaningless shills with no balls.
all in all, the industry is a blight on itself. Consumers shouldn't have to suffer and give up their rights because gaming publishers are a bunch of greedy, mismanaged, short term profit seeking, controlling cunts.
Look, i'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass. I've been saying it for a while now. If I was pulling it out of my ass I would have been banned so, so, so long ago. I have friends at Sony working on the system. They don't know each other... yet they both described the same system to me. Is this some sort of crazy elaborate prank? Candid internet camera?
Seriously. This isn't me speculating. And you aren't allowed to post here if you give out bullshit leaks... and i've leaked my fair amount of shit and i'm still here.
I hope both Microsoft and Sony get a cut from used game sales. The industry would be a LOT healthier.
You're telling me that people would give up on gaming just because they have to pay an extra fee on top of their used game purchase??
Shame on you for suggesting that games, which can cost upwards of a hundred million to produce, are equivalent to used cars, where dealerships get tons of business through routine service and financing. Videogames do not have such luxury. The other industries (CD, Books) cost nowhere near as much to produce.
And I'm not suggesting that used games be BLOCKED....just that publishers get a kickback on every used-game transaction.
What's so unreasonable about that?
To be fair there also appears to be a new (or at least far more sizable) segment of consumers that only buy AAA games, and only those that garner extremely high reviews. There's little room for B games anymore.
My opinion is that the less money people get selling games the less new games people buy. A NYU study sees the same thing happening.
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/nyu-used-games-study/
The study is bullshit.
GameStop has HUGE operating costs -- they have to pay rent for all their locations, pay for tons of employees, and on top of all of this they still have large profits and margins for their used game business.
Take all the used game transactions that occur, funnel that back into game development, and you'd see healthier publishing conditions that would result in more games being produced, resulting in more competition amongst publishers, resulting in lowered costs for content.
My opinion is that the less money people get selling games the less new games people buy. A NYU study sees the same thing happening.
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/nyu-used-games-study/
The study is bullshit.
GameStop has HUGE operating costs -- they have to pay rent for all their locations, pay for tons of employees, and on top of all of this they still have large profits and margins for their used game business.
Take all the used game transactions that occur, funnel that back into game development, and you'd see healthier publishing conditions that would result in more games being produced, resulting in more competition amongst publishers, resulting in lowered costs for content.
I wonder just how this is going to be explained to the consumers, tbh. It sounds extremely confusing. :|
Why should they get a kickback? I bought it with my money, so it should be my property, shouldn't it?
I like how you acknowledge how absurdly large videogame budgets are nowadays and yet your solution is "let's give them more money." You know what mine is? STOP SPENDING SO MUCH FUCKING MONEY YOU IDIOTS! Short and sweet, right?
Seriously though, if developers/publishers are spending well beyond their means then they have no-one to blame but themselves if they fail, not used games, piracy or whatever other stupid excuse they make up.
Does the person that buys a movie ticket have a RIGHT to see that movie again and/or SELL that movie ticket to someone else after it's been consumed?
The study is bullshit.
GameStop has HUGE operating costs -- they have to pay rent for all their locations, pay for tons of employees, and on top of all of this they still have large profits and margins for their used game business.
Take all the used game transactions that occur, funnel that back into game development, and you'd see healthier publishing conditions that would result in more games being produced, resulting in more competition amongst publishers, resulting in lowered costs for content.
Besides -- I'm not even arguing against BLOCKING used game sales, only allowing publishers to get a KICKBACK from those transactions...in other words, these people selling their games would still be getting money to put towards new games.
I also believe that the vast majority of people that buy used games PRIMARILY buy used games, with new games being the odd exception. Every time I've walked into GameStop someone is either selling their games, or buying a used game. The person buying new is an exception.
I hope both Microsoft and Sony get a cut from used game sales. The industry would be a LOT healthier.
You're telling me that people would give up on gaming just because they have to pay an extra fee on top of their used game purchase??
Does the person that buys a movie ticket have a RIGHT to see that movie again and/or SELL that movie ticket to someone else after it's been consumed?
Besides -- I'm not even arguing against BLOCKING used game sales, only allowing publishers to get a KICKBACK from those transactions...in other words, these people selling their games would still be getting money to put towards new games.
I also believe that the vast majority of people that buy used games PRIMARILY buy used games, with new games being the odd exception. Every time I've walked into GameStop someone is either selling their games, or buying a used game. The person buying new is an exception.
This is a joke post right? Those are just as obtuse and circular as Microsoft's statements. If Sony allowed something that Microsoft didn't why wouldn't they release it as a talking point and edge over their competitor? Why would they announce they are "listening" to gamers about always online/ DRM if they had already actually explicitly confirmed their stance?
Believe what you want but taking this as gospel is just asking for disappointment later on. Both consoles feature set is in flux.
Does the person that buys a movie ticket have a RIGHT to see that movie again and/or SELL that movie ticket to someone else after it's been consumed?
Does the person that buys a movie ticket have a RIGHT to see that movie again and/or SELL that movie ticket to someone else after it's been consumed?
My games magically stop working after I use them once now?Does the person that buys a movie ticket have a RIGHT to see that movie again and/or SELL that movie ticket to someone else after it's been consumed?
Comparing games to a movie ticket is ludicrous. Pretending the disc is like a used ticket is hilrarious. The game still works, the ticket doesn't. The game can still be played after the credits role. Buying a game doesn't entitle you to a single play through. You play it for as short or as long as you want to. And if someone wanted to use your "ticket" to play the game they can. Game companies have to make complicated and intrusive systems to tell if your "ticket" has been used before, movie theatres just look to see if it is ripped. The two couldn't be further than the truth.
PS3 never has to go online.
Unless you want to play Bionic Commando Rearmed.
The study is bullshit.
GameStop has HUGE operating costs -- they have to pay rent for all their locations, pay for tons of employees, and on top of all of this they still have large profits and margins for their used game business.
In what universe is a movie ticket and a videogame disc the same thing?
If you want to compare movies... can I sell my blu ray of Big Momma's House 6 when i'm done with it? Of course I can!
Should this restriction carry over to hardware as well, sawyer? Should I have to pay sony a cut if I sell my PS3?
If I dig my NES out of my parents basement should I write a check to Nintendo?
They're not, that wasn't my point.
My point was to say that it's certainly within Microsoft or Sony's RIGHTS as PLATFORM HOLDERS to restrict the second hand distribution of their (or their partner's) content.
Videogames are consumable forms of entertainment that do not lose their intrinsic value (so long as the disc isn't damaged) when sold second hand (unlike a car).
The business models are evolving, but GameStop's rise this past decade has certainly extracted a huge percentage of the gaming business and it doesn't contribute anything of tangible value to the industry itself.
Ridiculous.
If I have a cinema ticket, it's for the right to sit in the auditorium and use their services. Technically, the film is irrelevant.
They're not, that wasn't my point.
My point was to say that it's certainly within Microsoft or Sony's RIGHTS as PLATFORM HOLDERS to restrict the second hand distribution of their (or their partner's) content.
Videogames are consumable forms of entertainment that do not lose their intrinsic value (so long as the disc isn't damaged) when sold second hand (unlike a car).
The business models are evolving, but GameStop's rise this past decade has certainly extracted a huge percentage of the gaming business and it doesn't contribute anything of tangible value to the industry itself.
Movie theaters don't care if you just want to come in and hang out. They will let you play arcade games and buy all the food you want to eat in their lounge area. The only value the ticket has is to view a movie.
I can buy a copy of Photoshop, use it, and sell it. But first I have to unregister the software with Adobe and transfer the the license to the person I'm selling it to.
Movie theaters don't care if you just want to come in and hang out. They will let you play arcade games and buy all the food you want to eat in their lounge area. The only value the ticket has is to view a movie.
It's a brand new generation, both systems are starting from zero marketshare. There's no way in hell that PS4 would ever capture 50% of the market in the first place if the biggest third party publishers like Activision and EA snubbed the console.
Publishers hold all the power here, if they really wanted to play hardball Sony would have pretty much no choice but to cave in to their demands. Sony has always relied on third parties, they can't support an entire platform by themselves.
What I find absolutely hilarious are the corporate apologists who parade the blight of gamestop on the industry.
gamestop, gamestop, gamestop. Always with the gamestop. Guess what? Gamestop isn't the only store in the entire world. Guess what? America isn't the only country in the world. Guess what? I can sell my games to anyone I wish, without the need for a store such as gamestop.
And, for the record, I don't give a shit about gamestop. I hate the place just like everyone else on the planet.
What I'm arguing for is my right to sell the game myself. Trading in games at gamestop is dumb. They don't give you dick. Sell it to a friend or another human through craigslist... you get more money, they get it for cheaper than gamestop - you're both happy. And the developers don't deserve a cut of that because I OWN THE DISC. You can sell what you own.
Even when there's no way left to spin, you can always say they're lying!
Just because you can sell the disc doesn't mean it's their responsibility to make sure the disc retains its value. You can still sell the disc with whatever system Microsoft is cooking up, it's just worth less because of the money you will have to pay to reactivate it. It's this an anti-consumer practice? Yes, it is. But they haven't taken away your right to sell what you own.
And if you're looking at the legality of this, you need to stop looking at games as media (CD, DVD, Blu-Ray) and start looking at games as software, which is what they actually are. You don't have the ability to sell the copy of Windows you bought after you've registered it without jumping through hoops, or old copies of software like Photoshop or AutoCAD or Visual Studio.
Essentially gamers need to get punished for the drawbacks of AAA development and decisions they have no say in.Back when I was younger, we used to trade and sell our SNES and mega drive games at school. Would never have got into numerous series without that exposure.
of course, all of that is being taken away now, because the industry is spiralling out of control and needs to claw back every...last...penny...
it's a fucking shame.
That's not true in the least. Every place I go to takes your ticket before you can even enter the lobby. And I see movies every week in numerous theaters.
Essentially gamers need to get punished for the drawbacks of AAA development and decisions they have no say in.
Essentially gamers need to get punished for the drawbacks of AAA development and decisions they have no say in.
Agreed. And while Sawyer is correct in that Gamestop has grown in the last decade it was a bit disingenuous because it made it sound like there was no used market before that. There's been a used market in videogames since the 80s. When I was a kid (i'm 36....) there was funcoland, EB, Babbages... all sorts of places to trade in games and buy used games. This isn't a new phenomenon in the industry at all.
It may vary location to location depending about how worried they are about people sneaking into theaters. In any case, the movie for actual tickets goes almost entirely to the movie studios so it's completely absurd to suggest the price of admission is just about using a theater's facilities and not about the right to view the film.
yea it's not a new phenomenon but game stop is 10x worse then EB Babbage etc. when it comes to used games. eb babbages funcoland when i was growing up were in select locations and rarely had their own stores outside of malls. gamestop on the other hand doubled the size of the company and has became a force behind used games. anytime i go into their store( i rarely do) they ALWAYS try to convince me to buy games used to "save" money. I can imagine how many less fortunate individuals they scam by helping them save 3 bucks.
Back when I was younger, we used to trade and sell our SNES and mega drive games at school. Would never have got into numerous series without that exposure.
of course, all of that is being taken away now, because the industry is spiralling out of control and needs to claw back every...last...penny...
it's a fucking shame.
If you go by some of the posts in this thread some people are lining up to take it with a smile on their face.
yea it's not a new phenomenon but game stop is 10x worse then EB Babbage etc. when it comes to used games. eb babbages funcoland when i was growing up were in select locations and rarely had their own stores outside of malls. gamestop on the other hand doubled the size of the company and has became a force behind used games. anytime i go into their store( i rarely do) they ALWAYS try to convince me to buy games used to "save" money. I can imagine how many less fortunate individuals they scam by helping them save 3 bucks.