Samsung TVs are basically the only really sought after brand.
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SONY set to JUNK status
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Samsung TVs are basically the only really sought after brand.
Impeccable
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It'll be fun reading all the uneducated posts that follow.
Since it has God Of War 3, Uncharted 1-3, Heavy Rain, some other games (Journey etc.) and a another batch of good looking ones in the pipeline (The Last Of Us, Beyond: Two Souls, God Of War 4, Versus, The Last Guardian) - you should get one!
Wind's Howling
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That is not the issue, really.
Comparing TV's released from 2010 and 2012 is insignificant. They are practically the same for the average costumer, thus people do not see the reason in buying a new TV when their old one works just fine.
Either the companies need to take it a step further or get their income from somewhere else.
FatalMuzza
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Hehe
Just... don't hold your breath on that last one.
Cause I took all their ps+
Or the two last ones, really.
Phonomezer
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Poor Panasonic. They deserve much better.
This. I love their plasma TVs.
Launch a game console, Samsung. doitdoitdoit
phisheep
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You are kind of along the right lines, but there is no "just" about it. It needs fast and brutal restructuring, because the company culture is such that any other sort doesn't work.
I don't think it can any longer be done from inside the company. And that spells to me either interim management, administration or a cheapo buyout. Not a good time to buy stock. Noyt yet.
That free PS+ will sure be useful when Sony shuts down.
I wouldn't put the kids college education money into it. Only money you can afford to lose if they do not turn it around.
Let's look at GM and Chrysler in 2008 and then today. Big companies can turn it around.
Let's look at Blackberry, some companies don't have a clue.
Which one will Sony be? That's the gamble.
Misterinenja
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PS4 should be reboot of the original Playstation and it would be the one console to rule them all and renaissance of video gaming. Savior to lead us away from the darkness.
*wakes up*
*wakes up*
I want to #Believe
SirIgbyCeaser
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Bad Wario, very bad wario.
PS4 will either save the playstation division or be the new dreamcast.
Also, shouldn't this status have been dropped to after christmas? I know they're analysts and they're making a forecast. But still, good amount of sony products for christmas worldwide.
iamshadowlark
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They've cut losses 75% YoY and are looking at a profit this FY.
zomgbbqftw
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This move will only make a difference if Sony have to go back to the capital markets soon. They don't, and if they meet their own profit forecasts (which are lowballed, for obvious reasons) they won't have to go back for a few years. The danger for Sony is if the pace of reform slows down, so in a way this move helps Kaz as it gives him the ammunition to make the reforms necessary to get Sony back on track with much less resistance from the old guard on the board and Sony's infamous middle management.
Just like the downgrade of France forced Hollande to make economic reforms, this downgrade of Sony forces the board to allow Kaz to make his reforms.
Just like the downgrade of France forced Hollande to make economic reforms, this downgrade of Sony forces the board to allow Kaz to make his reforms.
frankie_baby
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Agreed the whole Japanese electronics industry has problems. But compare Sony's loss with Panny's: 15.5bn yen vs 700bn yen loss in the previous q.
Are you really trying to spin Sony's losses as not that bad? And just because they forecast a return to profitability doesn't mean they actually will do, remember these are the same forecasts that suggested they'd sell 10 million vita this year, pmsl
They were also looking to sell 16 million portable consoles, which dropped to 12 million, which dropped to 10 million, which drops to what next?
So I wouldn't give that much confidence to their own predictions. Especially if you are an investor.
Canis lupus
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Yes their flagship tvs, WHEN will they use their Kuro patents properly.
Because portable consoles are the only thing Sony sells right?
Their ability to launch successful hardware since the PS3 was released has also been poor, at best.
I know people like to put the PS4 in its own box and say the Vita's performance has no relevance because they're "more dedicated to the console space" or whatever, but the average investor would look at their handling of it and would be right to feel less confident.
Basically it makes it harder and more expensive for Sony to lend money.
This is uncharted territory for them.
on the contrary, their previous attempts merely moved all the talented staff out the door and left untrained kids and dead wood.
TerryLee81
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Traditional game consoles are a terrible business to be in if you want to make money, especially for a company like Samsung who could get a waaaaaay better ROI by investing any money they might have otherwise spent on a game console on their mobile/tablet divisions.
SirIgbyCeaser
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Kaz's last major responsibility was the PS3... this man is no steve jobs.
There is a large market beyond the cheap low end of the market. People want a picture and performance that is beyond cheap.
Bu...bu...but the PS9!
Now I feel bad for considering a Samsung. Guess I should swap that idea for a Panasonic or Sony.
At first I read this as "PlayStation Mobile Service Ladder" and realizing that made no sense in content, or really in general I googled. I got this:
possiably the worst and most unrealistic of internet jargon....
'pissing myself laughing'
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pmsl
Spelling mistake aside, I kind of agree.
I don't know why you'd feel bad. Samsung TVs are great. I have a Bravia though so at least I did my part.
iamshadowlark
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This is not sony's prediction...
Sony has pretty much bottomed out and they had an operating last quarter. Its really not a reach at all to say they well be in the black next year.
iamvin22
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frankie_baby
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10 million vita would have contributed a couple of billion dollars in sales to Sony's figures with then software sales a noticeable chunk of profit, that isn't happening now
Schlachtor
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So, Naughty Dog goes to Valve. Polyphony Digital goes independent, Media Molecule goes to Nintendo, Sucker Punch goes to Microsoft. David Cage Quantic Dream starts their own movie studio. Team Ico (Fumito Ueda alone) goes iOS, Bend to Facebook games. Sony Santa Monica goes to EA giving technical support to all their internal studios and creating a new next gen Frostbite 3.0.
It's all the PS3's fault.
Why would you want them to do that?
it wont only be be ugly looking, but the software side would be garbage as well.
zomgbbqftw
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No, Ken Kutaragi was responsible for PS3. At the time, Kaz was in charge of software development. Once Ken was moved aside and Kaz was given control in 2007 it was his changes to SCE which rescued the PS3 and turned the unit around. Kaz is responsible for Vita though, which is a device that it 4 years late to the market and was still undercooked.
aka RIP San Diego Studio, Japan Studio, Guerrilla Games, Cambridge Studio, and Studio London.
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