Setting aside the fact that Grasshopper can not afford to make a PS360 game, NMH would've lost one of it's biggest selling points on a console other than Wii. Furthermore, it outsold all of the developer's previous games, including the PS2 releases.BobsRevenge said:For instance I'd say that No More Heroes would've sold better as a PS360 project.
I'm pretty sure that Tenchu and Tales of are both among the top 200 third party IPs. Some of the biggest also go to all (like LEGO and GH) and some favor Wii (like Sonic). Pretty much all the examples you mentioned were also announced as PS3 or 360 projects before the generation began. (Even Monster Hunter 3 was, actually.)DonDepre said:How many third party big IPs are in the game industry? One hundred? Two hundreds? Silent Hill, Resident Evil, MGS, DMC, Ninja Gaiden, Final Fantasy, Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur, etc, etc, etc...
Two of them goes to the Wii: Monster Hunter and Fatal Frame. None of them specially big in west. All the others franchises goes to PS360, and not only this, almost all that franchises are not present in any way in Wii. Some others are present with spinoffs or casualized versions.
DonDepre said:Yes.
How many third party big IPs are in the game industry? One hundred? Two hundreds? Silent Hill, Resident Evil, MGS, DMC, Ninja Gaiden, Final Fantasy, Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur, etc, etc, etc...
Two of them goes to the Wii: Monster Hunter and Fatal Frame. None of them specially big in west. All the others franchises goes to PS360, and not only this, almost all that franchises are not present in any way in Wii. Some others are present with spinoffs or casualized versions.
For a console that sells more than the other two combined, the lack of third party AAA support is incredible, and the proof that a lot of game companys don't consider the Wii even a console. Even the GC, with his low sells, got more third party IPs.
Yes it is.Tobor said:The Wii is a video game console,
No it's not.Tobor said:and it is a direct competitor to the 360 and PS3.
Just because you say so?Tobor said:THIS IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE.
Metalmurphy said:No it's not.
People that never played a video game before are now playing with the Wii.DeaconKnowledge said:Ugh. I can't believe people seriously believe this.
Metalmurphy said:People that never played a video game before are now playing with the Wii.
How exactly is that the same market?
People that had PS2s last gen are buying Wiis this gen.Metalmurphy said:People that never played a video game before are now playing with the Wii.
How exactly is that the same market?
Metalmurphy said:People that never played a video game before are now playing with the Wii.
How exactly is that the same market?
Are MP3 players and DVD players fighting for the same market? Cause I have both you know.Psychotext said:People that had PS2s last gen are buying Wiis this gen.
How exactly is it not in the same market? Just because it's entered new markets doesn't mean it's not competing in the old ones too.
They're mainly NOT the people that used to care about gaming yes. I think the fact that's selling like mad is proof enough of that.Gaborn said:Because you're assuming all of the Wii's owners are either old line Nintendo fans or new gamers?
Metalmurphy said:People that never played a video game before are now playing with the Wii.
How exactly is that the same market?
...and they're a HUGE portion of those 130m PS2 sales Sony announced the other day. Still not in the same market though I guess? Maybe Sony wont miss them.Metalmurphy said:They're mainly NOT the people that used to care about gaming yes.
Metalmurphy said:They're mainly NOT the people that used to care about gaming yes. I think the fact that's selling like mad is proof enough of that.
What does that have to do with what I said?Gaborn said:And yet these non-gaming people are buying games at a faster clip than the PS3? I think you might need to re-examine your assumption a bit.
Easy to say when you can't actually prove it.Psychotext said:...and they're a HUGE portion of those 130m PS2 sales Sony announced the other day. Still not in the same market though I guess? Maybe Sony wont miss them.
Yes.sionyboy said:I wonder if Singstar, Guitar Hero, Buzz etc attracted a new market to video game consoles?
I wonder if the Wii is capitalising on this new found market?
So you are admitting that there are gamers buying the Wii then? You know, in the gaming market rather than the fitness / waggle market.Metalmurphy said:Most of those 130m people are the ones that bought it for PES, FIFAs, Maddens, Need for Speeds and such, and that's all they care about. There's not just 1 type of casual gamers...
Metalmurphy said:What does that have to do with what I said?
Why even mention the PS3? oO I'm not one of those "Wii software doesn't sell" people, think you got me mistaken with someone else.
And yet they probably sold less then the PS2 version... wonder why...Psychotext said:So you are admitting that there are gamers buying the Wii then? You know, in the gaming market rather than the fitness / waggle market.
Because PES, FIFA, Madden are all on the Wii too (not so sure about NFS... probably).
who didn't care. Read my posts carefullyGaborn said:I'm just trying to understand your point. You seem to think the majority of Wii's gamers are casuals who don't care about gaming usually
I don't think sports games players 16 and up would opt for a Wii unless they get pressure from a wife or their kids or something because they can still get their games at a similar graphical fidelity on last generation's consoles. They'd most likely go for a 360 or PS3 depending on what other usage they are worried about.Psychotext said:So you are admitting that there are gamers buying the Wii then? You know, in the gaming market rather than the fitness / waggle market.
Because PES, FIFA, Madden are all on the Wii too (not so sure about NFS... probably).
Bingo.BobsRevenge said:I don't think sports games players 16 and up would opt for a Wii unless they get pressure from a wife or their kids or something
Metalmurphy said:who didn't care. Read my posts carefully
Tobor said:The Wii is a video game console,
Tobor said:and it is a direct competitor to the 360 and PS3. THIS IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE.
Too soon to tell, but it seems GTA4 is not going to sell as much as it used to. If so, people will wonder if Wii did not eat its sales among casual gamers, who have now moved to another platform.DonDepre said:The Wii is not a direct competitor with the 360 or PS3.
Psychotext said:DonDepre... the mistake you're making is thinking in terms of hardcore gamers. Hardcore gamers didn't make up the majority of PS2 owners. You're probably absolutely right that in the hardcore market the Wii isn't in competition. But the gaming market as a whole is a completely different story.
Segata Sanshiro said:Holy GOD.
The Wii and the PS3 are certainly in competition. Get a fucking grip on reality, people.
Yeah, but those who say they are 100% in competition are severely mistaken.Segata Sanshiro said:Holy GOD.
The Wii and the PS3 are certainly in competition. Get a fucking grip on reality, people.
Segata Sanshiro said:Holy GOD.
The Wii and the PS3 are certainly in competition. Get a fucking grip on reality, people.
BobsRevenge said:Yeah, but those who say they are 100% in competition are severely mistaken.
Who's going to buy a Wii to play Blu-Ray movies? I'd say they are about 75% in competition... maybe. Hard to really put a number on it because with the Wii there are so many unknowns since it's unprecidented.
Explicitly state what is hypocritical about what I said because I can almost guarantee you're wrong.Miniboss1232 said:And who's going to buy a GameCube to play DVDs?
Hypocrisy.
hydragonwarrior said:Wii and PS3 are not in competition because they do not display the same graphics and audiences are too different
...right?
BobsRevenge said:Explicitly state what is hypocritical about what I said because I can almost guarantee you're wrong.
I didn't understand anything of what you just said.DonDepre said:2.- The graphics doesn't matter. Is the catalogue. There is a lot of people, a big target, and not only "hardcore one", that loves games like GTA, Resident Evil, DMC, Halo, Soul Calibur, Burnout, MGS... that titles don't go to Wii. So, if they want to play to that games, they'll buy a 360 or a PS3. You can skip one, two, four games that you really like but they aren't in your console. But, if there are a lot of games that you like, you'll end buying a HD console, even if you have a Wii.
To bother to prove me wrong if you're up to it.Miniboss1232 said:Since you're already convinced you're right, why should I bother?
Segata Sanshiro said:Holy GOD.
The Wii and the PS3 are certainly in competition. Get a fucking grip on reality, people.
Sadist said:"Hardore" vs "Casual" debate again. Oh goody. >.>
Every single platform absolutely are in competition with one another for developer and publisher resources.
Sadist said:I didn't understand anything of what you just said.
DonDepre said:1.- I never said that Wii and PS3 are not in competition. I said that they're not in DIRECT competition. Of course that if you buy a Wii, perhaps you won't have then the money for a PS3. But it's not like a 360, that you say, directly "I don't need a PS3 because I already have a 360, so I already can play 80% of the PS3 games".
2.- The graphics doesn't matter. Is the catalogue. There is a lot of people, a big target, and not only "hardcore one", that loves games like GTA, Resident Evil, DMC, Halo, Soul Calibur, Burnout, MGS... that titles don't go to Wii. So, if they want to play to that games, they'll buy a 360 or a PS3. You can skip one, two, four games that you really like but they aren't in your console. But, if there are a lot of games that you like, you'll end buying a HD console, even if you have a Wii.