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[Broken Joystick]

Sony seems to have updated it's usage terms for the PS4 and all other systems including its resale terms and software licensing terms.

7. Resale

7.1. You must not resell either Disc-based Software or Software Downloads, unless expressly authorized by us and, if the publisher is another company, additionally by the publisher.

4. Software is Licensed

4.1. All Software is licensed, not sold, which means you acquire rights to use the Software, as described in these Terms, but you do not acquire ownership of the Software. If you do not comply with these Terms, we can terminate your Software License which means you will no longer have the right to use the Software.

Am I reading this wrong or have they back tracked on some stuff here?

Source via Maxconsole

Thanks Axis for Tweeting it.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

Oh hell no.

 

[TheLegendary]

Can't mean what it sounds like it means

 

[Cody_D165]

 

[Psychoward]

Isn't that just normal resale terminology?

 

[jbug617]

It can't mean what I think that means

 

[Pikma]

BOOM, you guys fell for it.

 

[Baron Aloha]

Sounds like your standard fair TBH. As long as they don't make any attempts to enforce it, I don't see the problem.

 

[Lunzio]

Software license is nothing new for digital, but I'd like further clarification on the physical resale.

 

[super-famicom]

But Yoshida posted that video of him game sharing. That's the authorization!

 

[HarryDemeanor]

Does it mean what I think it means?

 

[USC-fan]

What was the old wording?

 

[Ivieto1138]

I think that is part of every single tems contracts. You own the physical disc, of course you do not own anything on it.

 

[PAULINK]

Probably just referring to downloadable titles or downloadable title codes.

 

[Beant]

Is sony dropping the ball by dropping the ball on software sales?

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

How do you even track the reselling of discs without entering a key?

 

[Nakazato]

What the fuck

 

[Whompa]

wait...so if you sell your game...the game will be rendered useless? or? what?

These damn terms of services are so confusing sometimes.

I don't get it.

 

[Doombacon]

Isn't that just normal resale terminology?

yes

 

[fluffydelusions]

Sounds standard to me?

 

[Frumix]

What was the old wording?

There was no such paragraph before, at least I don't think it was in the PSN TOS?

 

[Goreomedy]

Isn't this the same as ps3? Think the only software to deny resale was mgs4.

 

[Squire]

 

[Dead Prince]

Downward spiral begins

 

[Gaz_RB]

They've authorized it. Nothing weird here, homies.

It has seriously always been like that. You've always just owned the license...

 

[rdrr gnr]

Think rationally.

 

[Prelude.]

It's probably the same as before. You never really own a product you buy.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Just when I thought you were cool, Sony.....

Spoiler

ur still cool, Sony

 

[Wolves Evolve]

This was in the PS3 terms back in 2008. They don't enforce it.

 

[Night Angel]

What? Erm... I hope I'm reading it wrong. It can't mean what it sounds like, not after all the shit they gave MS. If it does... holy shit bunker time.

Edit: it's probably nothing.

 

[R3TRO]

Isn't that just normal resale terminology?

This is what I was thinking too.

 

[bassman2112]

I'm pretty sure this is fairly standard

 

[TheFurizzlyBear]

Isn't that just normal resale terminology?

Yep, we have never owned games just the media it is delivered on/to.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

Probably just referring to downloadable titles or downloadable title codes.

Yes.

 

[Certinty]

Seems standard, but surely there must have been better ways of wording this?

 

[Darknight]

kiss my booty Sony, LOL.

Honestly they cant stop you from selling your disk based game. So kiss it!

 

[Broken Joystick]

Sounds like your standard fair TBH.

Initially that's what I thought but I thought I'd ask here if I was reading this wrong and try and get some clarification. If I'm making a mountain out of a molehill, I'll admit it but better to be safe than sorry.

 

[weremichael]

Pretty shady Sony, pretty shady.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Can't mean what it sounds like it means

It means exactly what it says it means. They have no intention of preventing you from reselling games, but legally they want to make it 100% clear that they can prevent you should they choose to. Every single software company has one of these clauses because every single software company supports software-as-license rather than software-as-goods.

 

[CronoShot]

You also need the express written consent of the NFL.

Spoiler

This means nothing.

 

[Cbajd5]

But Yoshida posted that video of him game sharing. That's the authorization!

He wasn't reselling it, he was just sharing it.

SHARING IS CARING

 

[zenosparadox]

This is standard practice.

 

[HarryDemeanor]

This is not new.

It has never been enforced. For PS3.

http://au.playstation.com/legal/detail/item223672/Australia-PlayStation®3-Software-Usage-Terms/

So false alarm then.

 

[FairXchange]

Incoming 20 pages of misunderstanding legal terms.

You will be able to trade your games as promised, moving on.

 

[Domino792]

They've authorized it. Nothing weird here, homies.

It has seriously always been like that. You've always just owned the license...

.

 

[carpediemdp]

Isn't this the same thing that DVDs and BRs have, but still you can sell them through ebay and stuff?

Seems to me this is the same legal mumbo jumbo you read when you buy movies and games and whatnot.

Edit: seems so!

 

[Ninja Scooter]

so basically, GameStop and Best Buy have permission from Sony to buy and sell used games.

Technically Joe Craigslist is supposed to have this permission, but Sony can't/won't do shit about it anyway.

Nothing to see here folks.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Someone message yosp.

(Lol. It has always been like that).

 

[whitehawk]

Isn't this just for those pack-in games that have printed "NOT FOR RESALE", even though you find them in used game stores?

 

[leatherhat]

This has been on other consoles, doesn't mean anything