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Sony vs Microsoft: The First Party Studios
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Coulomb_Barrier
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Thanks, but you sure you are not confusing the new IP with The Order? I really hope it's a new IP from SM.
The Order is being made by Ready at Dawn
dragonbane
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Nope, Stig is definitely not working on The Order I think.
Exciting times to come.
SSM does allot of things, but we know they have two main teams, The team that just released GOW:A, and Stigs team, but SSM also does allot of work with helping other developers on Sonys hardware, thats why allot of games not directly developed by SSM have their logo in the title sequence.
Naughty Dog has two teams that we know of, the team that just released Last of Us, and the team that released Uncharted 3.
GG has two teams, Killzone Shadowfall, and the other is working on a new IP. This was restated by herman hulst at E3.
MM has two teams now, the Team Making tareaway, and a team working on Something for PS4
I dont think we know a ton about SCEJ right now, or how many teams they have, but its atleast a few since we hwve The Last Guardian, The Puppeteer, Rain, and Freedom Wars all coming from SCEJ.
I dont know if it was ever confimed if Sucker Punch was two teams yet, or if they are still just the one.
Thats something that excites me, is that Sony is growing their internal teams considerably, and if quality does not drop then we should be getting consistantly great games pretty frequently once they all get caught up on PS4.
Dont forget about Housemarque!
http://www.housemarqueblog.com/hous...ardust-franchise-on-playstation-4/2013/05/23/
I would guess gamescom for a Housemarque reveal.
Tarsier Studios are working on a new IP for the SCE. Probably for PS4. One of the new IPs maybe. Apparently they have upwards to 100 people in the studio now as stated in a recent interview. They worked on LittleBigPlanet Vita. They recently appointed a DICE veteran as the new CEO to lead the development on their new IP.
http://tarsier.se/blog/tarsier-studios-appoints-dice-veteran-as-new-ceo
Ovosonico are also working on a new IP for SCE. Probably a PSN or Vita title considering the studio is small. The studio is lead by Massimo Guarini who directed Shadows of the Damned and Naruto's Rise of the Ninja.
http://www.ovosonico.com/pressrelease/ovosonico-signs-with-sony/
http://tarsier.se/blog/tarsier-studios-appoints-dice-veteran-as-new-ceo
Ovosonico are also working on a new IP for SCE. Probably a PSN or Vita title considering the studio is small. The studio is lead by Massimo Guarini who directed Shadows of the Damned and Naruto's Rise of the Ninja.
http://www.ovosonico.com/pressrelease/ovosonico-signs-with-sony/
Miles Quaritch
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Where does Undead Labs fit into all this? They aren't a first party studio, but their IP is owned by MS and they don't intend to work on anything else based on what they've said in the past.
Second Party?
Second Party?
catashtrophe
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2 Questions for Verendus or anyone else with sources/ties to Sony
Is Wipeout franchise dead or could we see another for PS4?
Are the rumours about Demons Souls 2 coming to Ps4 true?
Is Wipeout franchise dead or could we see another for PS4?
Are the rumours about Demons Souls 2 coming to Ps4 true?
How many exclusives?
travisbickle
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The_Hitcher89
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I know its only fair, but I wonder if Ready At Dawn kind of wish SSM's name hadn't been put on that trailer. It seems to have caused a lot of confusion, so rather than people saying 'this is RAD's big break, let's see how they cope with the pressures of developing a game that absolutely needs to succeed, not just for their general future, but to prove to Sony that they're desrving of a spot in the top stable' they're arguing about which SSM team is developing it 
Also, Liverpool would be Rare
Also, Liverpool would be Rare
Gonna say that Sony has this one, easily. Not just because of what they currently have in development, but because Microsoft merely treats exclusives as a means to an end.
Case in point, during the lifespan on the 360, Microsoft published several exclusives, including Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, and Gears of War. However, not even halfway into the consoles lifespan, those exclusives slowed to a trickle, until you could only count on mainstays like Halo, Forza, and Gears to remain exclusive.
This is because Microsoft saw these exclusives, as no more than a means to build a user base. Their overall strategy has always been to use X-Box live to leverage a larger userbase. Once it had a large enough user base it didn't need those exclusives. People would choose the 360 over the PS3, because their friends were on XBL, and they wanted to be able to play with their friends.
After this point, Microsoft was only interested in exclusives they believe were guaranteed sellers, since they deliver the absolute largest amount of profits for the least amount of work.
Sony on the other hand, has developed a tendency to dabble in projects that, "aren't," guaranteed sellers. Look at The Last of Us, this is not the sort of game that you see coming out of some numbers obsessed committee. It's somber, often slow paced, and frequently the exact opposite of the sort of power fantasies that most videogames revel in.
No, The Last of Us, like many of Sony's exclusives over the past few years, stands out. It's clear that Sony, desperately wishes to be seen as something unique on the market.
From a business standpoint, this makes sense. Look at Microsoft, if some competitor came along and found a way to completely undermine them, what would be lost exactly? From a purely artistic stand point, there isn't much Microsoft publishes that is strictly unique. Halo is about the closest thing they have to a first party franchise with a distinct artistic style, and thats about it.
Assuming Sony keeps up their pace of exclusives, and manage to establish new franchises at about the same rate. Eventually, they reach the point where they're artistically indispensable. Look at Nintendo for example, despite their infrequent introduction of new IP, they've brought so many artistically unique properties to the industry that nobody can picture them going away completely. They have a guaranteed audience, even if it isn't single handedly enough to make them a run away hit. This audience guarantees some level of relevance, at least until Nintendo runs things into the ground.
This, is what Sony is aiming for. Microsoft is relevant because of features, because of traits that can be copied by any company with money and sufficient know how. Sony, wants to be relevant because of unique games. They want to be impossible to ignore, for traits that cannot be easily copied by its competitors.
So Sony will continue in invest in studios, and in exclusives, throughout their consoles lifespan. Microsoft will stop, the moment they feel their user base is sufficient, assuming they reach that point.
As such, because of this different approach, Sony is going to win the exclusive fight in the long term. The only way I even see Microsoft making a sustained effort, is if they end up struggling far more than they did during the 360 effort.
Granted, that actually is highly possible, depending on how things go.
Case in point, during the lifespan on the 360, Microsoft published several exclusives, including Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, and Gears of War. However, not even halfway into the consoles lifespan, those exclusives slowed to a trickle, until you could only count on mainstays like Halo, Forza, and Gears to remain exclusive.
This is because Microsoft saw these exclusives, as no more than a means to build a user base. Their overall strategy has always been to use X-Box live to leverage a larger userbase. Once it had a large enough user base it didn't need those exclusives. People would choose the 360 over the PS3, because their friends were on XBL, and they wanted to be able to play with their friends.
After this point, Microsoft was only interested in exclusives they believe were guaranteed sellers, since they deliver the absolute largest amount of profits for the least amount of work.
Sony on the other hand, has developed a tendency to dabble in projects that, "aren't," guaranteed sellers. Look at The Last of Us, this is not the sort of game that you see coming out of some numbers obsessed committee. It's somber, often slow paced, and frequently the exact opposite of the sort of power fantasies that most videogames revel in.
No, The Last of Us, like many of Sony's exclusives over the past few years, stands out. It's clear that Sony, desperately wishes to be seen as something unique on the market.
From a business standpoint, this makes sense. Look at Microsoft, if some competitor came along and found a way to completely undermine them, what would be lost exactly? From a purely artistic stand point, there isn't much Microsoft publishes that is strictly unique. Halo is about the closest thing they have to a first party franchise with a distinct artistic style, and thats about it.
Assuming Sony keeps up their pace of exclusives, and manage to establish new franchises at about the same rate. Eventually, they reach the point where they're artistically indispensable. Look at Nintendo for example, despite their infrequent introduction of new IP, they've brought so many artistically unique properties to the industry that nobody can picture them going away completely. They have a guaranteed audience, even if it isn't single handedly enough to make them a run away hit. This audience guarantees some level of relevance, at least until Nintendo runs things into the ground.
This, is what Sony is aiming for. Microsoft is relevant because of features, because of traits that can be copied by any company with money and sufficient know how. Sony, wants to be relevant because of unique games. They want to be impossible to ignore, for traits that cannot be easily copied by its competitors.
So Sony will continue in invest in studios, and in exclusives, throughout their consoles lifespan. Microsoft will stop, the moment they feel their user base is sufficient, assuming they reach that point.
As such, because of this different approach, Sony is going to win the exclusive fight in the long term. The only way I even see Microsoft making a sustained effort, is if they end up struggling far more than they did during the 360 effort.
Granted, that actually is highly possible, depending on how things go.
I wouldn't say it's dead, but I don't believe there is anything Wipeout related in development right now. Who knows what happens with it in the future.
Yes. When it appears, whether with a new name or not, it'll be obvious what it is.
paranoidfortean
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Naughty Dog is all that matters.
SmokedMeat
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It's no contest. Not only are the games from Sony's studios of much higher quality, but the releases are more frequent. Has Microsoft even released anything since the holidays?
The few decent franchises I felt they had like Fable and Crackdown went to shit. Crimson Skies and Mechassault are dead with the original teams disbanded. They just don't care.
I'm not even that impressed with 343 Studios. They knew how to get some impressive graphics out of the 360, but they don't know how to create an objective that doesn't involve hitting a switch. Alan Wake is probably the one ip of theirs I really like that they haven't screwed up yet.
The few decent franchises I felt they had like Fable and Crackdown went to shit. Crimson Skies and Mechassault are dead with the original teams disbanded. They just don't care.
I'm not even that impressed with 343 Studios. They knew how to get some impressive graphics out of the 360, but they don't know how to create an objective that doesn't involve hitting a switch. Alan Wake is probably the one ip of theirs I really like that they haven't screwed up yet.
With Sony, I know the console will be supported right to the end of its lifespan. I mean FFS, it's almost the end of PS3 and yet I'm still drowning in quality games and a few more like Beyond has yet to make an appearance. And thanks to PS+, my backlog is ever-increasing. I'll have enough to play on PS3 while PS4 building decent amount of software library for itself.
Triggerhappytel
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Don't forget the levels where you had to insert Cortana into the USB slot!!
@ WolvenOne
Great post, and I really do agree. I have a lot of respect for Sony because of their first party efforts; constantly investing in unique games and new IPs. They've really shamed MS and Ninty this generation in terms of first-party investments, and I think that will really pay off next gen.
dr_rus
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Not even one of those studios are MS's studios.
Vigilant Walrus
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nelsonroyale
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Is it Deep Down? The new pick shown with the character on screen reminded me of Demon Souls...
Holy crap,new thread worthy IMO (on mobile).
OK then
Microsoft has clearly expanded their first party stable by a large amount over the last few years. This is good news for Xbox fans.
As of right this minute Sony has the more proven stable but outside of ND, Polyphony and SSM I think most of their teams are mediocre. Not bad just not as amazing as people say.
As of right this minute Sony has the more proven stable but outside of ND, Polyphony and SSM I think most of their teams are mediocre. Not bad just not as amazing as people say.
IncandescentPrecept
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I know its only fair, but I wonder if Ready At Dawn kind of wish SSM's name hadn't been put on that trailer. It seems to have caused a lot of confusion, so rather than people saying 'this is RAD's big break, let's see how they cope with the pressures of developing a game that absolutely needs to succeed, not just for their general future, but to prove to Sony that they're desrving of a spot in the top stable' they're arguing about which SSM team is developing it
Also, Liverpool would be Rare
SSM's name appears first in Journey. I don't think anyone thinks it's a SSM game.
Certain Affinity (Halo Anniversary) and Playground Games (Forza Horizon) are some other 2nd party possibilities.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Microsoft pays for the odd 3rd party exclusives at the beginning of the generation. While Sony is in it for the long term.
nelsonroyale
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To re-iterate? Could it possibly be Deep Down? Style seemed very reminscent and the lack of an announcement for Xbone might make more sense.
Pound_lb003
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REVEN GNIKCUF?
anyway, no offense Verendus but I trust you as far as I can throw you, and advise anyone else to take the same tact.
No one knows shit like this with any certainty, becuase even the companies can't call this stuff with any certainty at the moment. Although I do agree we'll see a Demon's Souls 2.
No one knows shit like this with any certainty, becuase even the companies can't call this stuff with any certainty at the moment. Although I do agree we'll see a Demon's Souls 2.
SenatorBot
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Deep Down is capcom's try at remodeling Dragon's Dogma to be more like Skyrim.
Having played Dragon's Dogma dark arisen, the small clip they've shown at the PS4 unveil is more like Dragon's dogma than dark souls.
Pound_lb003
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Hah! No, there are around 40 people here.
Where did you see that interview?
I think it was referring to both Mattias' studio and Tarsier Malmo. Would that make it closer?
EDIT: Although even then as far as I know about you guys it's downwards of 100...
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