That 3ms measurement seems to be disputed:My dell u3014 is measured to have 3ms of total lag, posted earlier.
I do feel my inputs have been instantaneous with it
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6890/dell-u3014-lcd-review/10
That 3ms measurement seems to be disputed:My dell u3014 is measured to have 3ms of total lag, posted earlier.
I do feel my inputs have been instantaneous with it
Well anand said themselves, they are using less accurate testsThat 3ms measurement seems to be disputed:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6890/dell-u3014-lcd-review/10
Because I dont live in a vacuum, I also looked at the results that TFT Central managed with the same display, since they have an oscilloscope that I dont and they found virtually no lag at all.
(Anand tested over HDMI)
Of course, that is over HDMI and not DisplayPort or DVI, and at 1080p, so the reliability of that number is admittedly low, but there is no better solution available to me to measure it right now. Id like to produce a better number than that, but sadly I can't at present
Sure. If you're happy that is good.Well anand said themselves, they are using lesds accurate tests
Yup im happy with it, and its the only reason why it is still around with me. The edge light ips glow is horrible. Absolutely horrible in darker condtions..Sure. If you're happy that is good.
But being 3x as good as the very best measured monitor that is used by the fighting game community seems rather far-fetched to me and points more to a difference in definition or measurements.
My apologies everyone pretty much has. Its a bad panel not actually true HD with the wrong pixel setup. Its literally sneaking into the market on bullshit.
edit RTings seems to have corrected it and said it has a 10bit panel so I removed that from the original comment. That leaves the pixel setup which is actually not true 4k.
And no local dimming and its edge lit. Sort of double not wanteds as we move forward.
dear heavens, now we have to look at how the pixels are setup too?
Only on bottom-of-the-barrel low end TVs.
Nobody tries to pull any PenTile bullshit on decent quality TVs.
a similar tv findable in europe?
iam buying a new tv because my 1080p will be 10 years old next year.
i spent 1500 in 2007,iam not planning to spend more than 100 this time.
i want a tv only for gaming, so iam searching for low inputlag, a lot of hdmi ports and all the bells n whistles needed for good gaming.
Man these new TVs are confusing. Want 4K HDR and now it needs to be HDR10?
Ffs!!!
for a starter TV though is it really at all bad for $550 open box at 43 inches? That's the question. I'm assuming the picture quality is still going to be a massive improvement over 1080p.
Also how do you even tell its pixel orientation on reviews, I'm trying to find it on the rtings review. nothing there really mentioned about it not being true 4k due to pixel setup
Wait I thought HDR Pro was HDR10? I seen an advert on an LG TV that said HDR Pro, otherwise known as HDR10?
I had to find the original post and discover it was about some crappy bottom-tier LG TV.
LG TVs are generally trash anyways with the worst upscalers in the industry and IPS instead of VA panels. I wouldn't buy an LG TV unless I was only gunning for OLED and I still wouldn't buy an LG OLED even though no one else makes OLED. Not that I would buy OLED anyways, they are technologically a dead end because they have the same pixel wear issues as plasma except worse and they don't have nearly enough brightness to offer good quality HDR.
Subpixel layout is kind of a dirty secret in the industry and no one really talks about it. Many low end TVs have this RGBW layout including a bunch of those super-cheap Chinese 4K TVs. In general, just buy a decent quality TV from a decent brand and you'll probably be able to avoid RGBW.
Just find one with UHD Premium as a badge, and you will be fine. This will support everything you will need and the picture will be great.
UHD Premium is the 2016 equivalent of HDReady
HDR content on UHD BluRay is currently mastered at up to 4000 nits of brightness.
Cheap and dim edge lit displays will never do HDR justice even if they are capable of accepting a 4K HDR signal.
Sony Motionflow Impulse reduces motion blur without interpolation
Posted on February 19, 2013 by Chief Blur Buster
Several new Sony HDTVs can eliminate motion blur using Motionflow Impulse, a CRT-style strobe backlight that does not use interpolation! This mode is very video-game friendly, and completely eliminates motion blur during 60 fps @ 60 Hz. Try this setting with consoles, computers, emulators, and sports!
The good news is that it has excellent motion clarity (similiar to LightBoost), and it retains the Sony color quality, with better-than-plasma video game motion on an LCD. It flickers like a 60Hz CRT, and add a very small amount of input lag (but less than interpolation).
That stuff is very variable on the models every year. You need to reevaluate every year what the best is.I thought the name was familiar.
Sony for a long time has made the best TVs for gaming period.
http://www.blurbusters.com/sony-motionflow-impulse-mode-reduces-motion-blur-without-interpolation/
this^
Seriously people need to stop trying to cheap out, if you are buying a set without UHD Premium or Dolby Vision on it, you are just buying a TV that is already outdated. It's quesionable as to how much benefit you'll get from HDR also.
This right hereI wonder what sets even reach that lol
The new LG B6 doesn't, not even close! Vizio P series misses that as well, they barely seem to hit even 500 it seems averaged
I might as well go budget then, I'm not spending 3 grand on a TV atm
I read sony wont be supporting the UHD premium logo. Why are they being so anal :/
I wouldn't call it dumb, not everybody has $3000 or even $1000 for some super duper high end TV thats gonna end up outdated after 2 years anyway.Just don't buy Sony.
Their 4k offering is pretty crap as a whole (high input lag). There are exceptions of course.
But cheaping out on a 4k hdr set just to have it is dumb.
Especially dumb if you only plan on using a PS4p (no UHD bluray, which is going to be the only highest quality source for 4k; streaming is possible but of course quality is lower).
I wouldn't call it dumb, not everybody has $3000 or even $1000 for some super duper high end TV thats gonna end up outdated after 2 years anyway.
Yup, and then when you buy that now depreciated priced TV we start this conversation all over again a year or two later. This time with the new technology, Super Hyper Ultra Premium HDR.The alternative is not buying a high-end set when you can't afford it. The alternative is to wait and don't buy.
That's LG's marketing term for their lower end spectrum HDR TV's. Some of their panels are even RGBW pixel structured which is even worse than the $400 KU6300 in terms of picture quality.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/uh6100
I was talking in relation to the Sony one......not the LG one. This Sony one the x800D how does it fair in pixel structure. I already know LG is the WORST when it comes to the bottom end 4K's lol
So were you talking about LG panels this whole time for Pixel structure? Maybe I missed the conversation somewhere lol
Yup, and then when you buy that now depreciated priced TV we start this conversation all over again a year or two later. This time with the new technology, Super Hyper Ultra Premium HDR.
I wonder what sets even reach that lol
The new LG B6 doesn't, not even close! Vizio P series misses that as well, they barely seem to hit even 500 it seems averaged
I might as well go budget then, I'm not spending 3 grand on a TV atm
Also PS4 Pro the reason I'm buying a 4k TV doesn't even support Dolby Vision!!!!! I'll be paying more for a feature I'm not even going to use!
Once specs have settled (it will happen, as it always has) you can buy as cheap as you want and get all the minimum needed to enjoy 4k HDR 60+hz 4:4:4 bt.2020 10 bit (throwing everything out at the same time xD).
I'm not advocating buying a high end set every two years. Stop being so dense.
The rules are slightly different for OLED, because they can go darker than LCD can. They need to meet 540nits, but meet a blackness criteria also.
We are years off from Dolby Vision sets becoming commonplace I'd say, because they also want to use 12bit color as standard. That is going to be a standard perhaps used as reference quality or for production mastering until the technology catches up. They have really future proofed that one.
Sony have really pulled a number though, the number of people (in this thread alone, running out to buy an "HDR" TV that is already outdated is crazy.
I'm being dense but your calling people dumb for buying a TV within their means....ok smart guy. No need to get defensive lol, all I said was that there are cheaper options that provide similar quality maybe not the best but it gets the job done. I mean, am I wrong?Once specs have settled (it will happen, as it always has) you can buy as cheap as you want and get all the minimum needed to enjoy 4k HDR 60+hz 4:4:4 bt.2020 10 bit (throwing everything out at the same time xD).
I'm not advocating buying a high end set every two years. Stop being so dense.
Once specs have settled (it will happen, as it always has) you can buy as cheap as you want and get all the minimum needed to enjoy 4k HDR 60+hz 4:4:4 bt.2020 10/12 bit (throwing everything out at the same time xD).
I'm not advocating buying a high end set every two years. Stop being so dense.
I'm being dense but your calling people dumb for buying a TV within their means....ok smart guy. No need to get defensive lol, all I said was that there are cheaper options that provide similar quality maybe not the best but it gets the job done. I mean, am I wrong?
There's a reason why the cheap 4K "HDR" sets today don't meet anything resembling the official HDR contrast specs, and that's because the panels physically cannot do it and they never will at that kind of price point.
This is pretty much all I have been saying. LolI think its just because of the PSPro many of us want to get into the 4k field.......we aren't asking for some uber awesome ultra set. But I'm pretty sure there are a few budget TV's that you use that are actually going to make you hungry for more. Hence the entry level into 4K.
I bought ths one the X800D from the thread here, its entry level, I'm not expecting a ton, but I'm expecting myself to definitely be impressed for the $500 I payed for it to push me even into a higher set.
I think that's really all anyone asking for a budget one right is wanting.
An ok jump in to basically test the field and want a higher end set.
Can't believe I didn't catch that. HahaLOL, I just realized I said hungry for me.......what is once quoted cannot be undone......
Wow this seems like the best you can buy for PC usage atm
VA panel
10bit WCG
HDR10
4K60 4:4:4
43" not too big
4K 33ms input lag which is ok for mouse gaming
putting it in my upgrade list.
Does Samsung or Panasonic offers a similar class model?
thanks. ok i found this on amz uk
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01HM7JPMW/
seems to be the black bezel and the one i want
are these sets 10bit color - i cant seem to find any confirmation of this.
Ouch how did 650 dollars become 850 pounds :/
Should be £589 with VAT. We always get fucked over on this stuff.
It definitely becomes alot less enticing at that price ha 850 that is. 589 would be close to impulse buy, given my tv is 7-8 years old at this point