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Sony's Jim Ryan comments on backwards compatibility: "why would anybody play this?"
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KingdomHeartsFan
Member
Really stupid thing to say when your trying to sell PS2 games on PS4...
a 5 year old game that sells for $10, sure it translates into sales. just not console or sales that actually make anyone money.
brandonh83
Banned
I don't know if it's that cut and dry, but you would think that with the success that they're seeing and Microsoft making a legitimate effort, their direct competition, that they'd be more open to this sort of thing.
The idea of being able to play your entire 360 and One library on Xbox consoles moving forward is extremely attractive.
BC certainly didn't help Sony keep PS2 owners on ps3. Ps2 had arguably the best games line up ever BC did absolutely nothing for it.
BC is not a bad thing It's only positive. I just think people Overestimate it's important to the masses.
MatPiscatella
Member
The NPD charts are based on consumer spend revenues. FYI.
hanspampel
Banned
NPD rankings are based on $ volume
The game made more money than Call of Duty Infinite Warfare or Horizon Zero Dawn
edit: beaten
Sumio Mondo
Member
Definitely gone back from what they used to do (PS1 games on PS2, PSP games on Vita, PS1 games on PS3 and on one particular model PS2 games on PS3). Shame.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
RedAssedApe
Banned
its not really. the people who are actually buying ps2 games on ps4 (probably) aren't listening to jim ryan's opinions on how those games look or hold up.
Opus Angelorum
Member
#4the
players
ps3&4
Because backwards compatibility gives access to a giant pre-existing library of games to their customers. Being a vita owner has nothing to do with it dummy.
WoolyNinja
Member
As much as some users love backwards compatibility I can completely understand the reasoning for now supporting PS3 and earlier backwards compatibility on the PS4. The money just doesn't make sense for the number of users that would actually use it.
That being said if the PS5 is still a similar architecture there is no reason/excuse to not allow PS4 games.
That being said if the PS5 is still a similar architecture there is no reason/excuse to not allow PS4 games.
D'ultimate
Member
Not only that but it's generating revenue. It doesn't have to translate into NPD sales chart wins alone.
Like someone said earlier, Sony is decimating MS in terms of hardware sales but despite that MS is generating almost a similar amount of revenue.
Thats the really strange thing. He could have just said no current plans, but he went the extra mile to trash what they sell right now.
KingdomHeartsFan
Member
Are you trying to say its not dumb for a higher up at a company to bad mouth a product that company is trying to sell.
CamHostage
Member
...so, you're saying it matters.
Azure Phoenix
Member
You mean BC that was only available on a $599 launch model that then got quickly dropped, and was gimped down to partial BC before it even hit Europe? The same BC that then resurfaced almost 10 years later for a tiny handful of games that got re-released digitally while the system was approaching deaths door?
Zombegoast
Member
Yeah, just resell the same game again at retail price.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Nah, PS5 will play PS4 games.
NoctisVsStar
Member
brandonh83
Banned
I'm not tech savvy I'll admit straight up, I just don't quite understand why it's just not a thing to begin with. I realize architecture changes, but with the power of the console, I dunno, it just seems like something that they should be able to do with a bit of work, and only having to have one Playstation console at a time would be less clutter for your entertainment center and I imagine that would be enticing to some people. I don't think in this day and age that we should have to have a PS2 hooked up just to be able to play your PS2 games when you have a ridiculously more powerful console that should be able to run them in the first place. I think it would also get people to buy PS3 games more which are still selling. I know I would have a lot of PS3 games on my shelf if I could pop them into my PS4.
On top of that they're hardly making an effort to get the games on the store, the PS3 was originally BC with the PS1 and PS2, and they got a pretty good selection of PS1 classics at least on the store. With the PS4, there's PS Now which doesn't fly with me at all and a growing but nothing to write home about offering of digital PS2 games.
So either way I just think they're doing a really shitty job about it.
93xfan
Banned
I 100% agree. Looks like I shouldn't buy a lot of stuff on PSN.
Now if they could just stop dragging their feet and get pS1 games BC, that would be nice.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Why would they give you PS4 BC for free but charge you for PS2 BC? Sony isnt going to give us BC unless we force them to give it to us.
NPD rankings are based on $ volume
The game made more money than Call of Duty Infinite Warfare or Horizon Zero Dawn
edit: beaten
did not know that. I always thought it was unit sales. thanks for correcting me.
Branniganz Love
Member
Traditionally BC has not been a huge deal. That being said, I think there is something being overlooked here. This is the first console gen where it has been viable to go 100% digital.
If PS5 is not BC with PS4 and X2 is BC with 360 and X1... I'd be willing to bet that will make a difference. How big? Time will tell but that digital sales percentage seems to just keep on slowly rising.
If PS5 is not BC with PS4 and X2 is BC with 360 and X1... I'd be willing to bet that will make a difference. How big? Time will tell but that digital sales percentage seems to just keep on slowly rising.
brandonh83
Banned
While it's not something that will outright make me pick one over the other, I'll admit what MS has been doing with BC has been on my mind from time to time.
Good Guy Gone Bad
Member
Sony is definitely much more interested in pushing PSNow and selling you your old games again and again as HD Classics/Remasters versus pushing b/c, which is a shitty practice but not particularly surprising from a business perspective.
But I do think the tide is turning on how okay people are going to be with paying for the same games over and over again. Currently they're in a pretty precarious position considering the PS3 was a beast to develop for, so that's at least a bit understandable. But considering the PS4 isn't in that same position, it should be expected that the PS5 is PS4 back compat... hopefully.
But I do think the tide is turning on how okay people are going to be with paying for the same games over and over again. Currently they're in a pretty precarious position considering the PS3 was a beast to develop for, so that's at least a bit understandable. But considering the PS4 isn't in that same position, it should be expected that the PS5 is PS4 back compat... hopefully.
Is arrogant Sony making a comeback?
Given both PS5 and X2 will both most likely be x86 machines, the only reason the PS5 won't be backwards compatible with the PS4 is if Sony just wants to screw people.
Given both PS5 and X2 will both most likely be x86 machines, the only reason the PS5 won't be backwards compatible with the PS4 is if Sony just wants to screw people.
CoolBlackGuy
Neo Member
Faceplam* why would we want to play old classics on our new console?
Green Ninja
Banned
He should be fired for making such stupid comments.
it has worked for nintendo for years.
also ps3 was a huge excuse for sony to remake games. many customers didn't even have a ps3 to play them on and ps3's architecture itself didn't lend to BC being viable.
if they stay x86 going forward it would be harder for them to remake games just one gen behind. I do believe ps5 will have support for ps4 games.
Renegade Frost
Banned
I dont think Nintendo's ever said anything stupid when it comes to actually playing games
Could you clarify your statements? I have no idea what you're trying to say
PhantomZone
Member
I tend to play BC when I have run out of new games to play and am waiting for the next big release.
I've also purchased new BC titles. There's a market out there!
I edited my original post to clarify.
brandonh83
Banned
I don't think it has. A lot of people are really fed up with it and it wasn't as good as it was on Wii because people decided to not re-buy them, as they shouldn't have to do that. As a result it was more lackluster on Wii U with thinly spread drips and beyond those classics included with the online account which is separate from a virtual console, they haven't even announced anything in regards to this for Switch.
So nah they're sucking at it too and people are tired of having to re-buy five dollar digital classics every time a new console comes out.
Renegade Frost
Banned
Nintendo's always had BC though so its not like you have to rebuy them anyway.
j^aws
Member
I'd say the oldest and most ubiquitous gaming platform was, and still is, built on backwards compatibility: The PC.
brandonh83
Banned
I mean, the Wii U ran Wii discs but that's it. And DS ---> 3DS I guess.
But that's not true for Switch or the virtual console games or anything prior to Wii aside from again some of the handheld carts.
Renegade Frost
Banned
Branding is far more important for sales than features are.
That's how it is. BC is valued,, so XBOX is trying to add value. BC is very much appreciated so they add it in to try and close the gap.
It made a splash with COD. so please dont try and conflate the two.
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
I wish ps4 did ps3... Got a bunch of games I want to play through.
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