ZombiePlatypus
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My god this is Trump level of transparently forcing a bullshit narrative. People want backwards compatibility and use it. Playstation built it's brand on BC earlier on. Gtfo with these insulting stupid statements Sony.
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Sony's Jim Ryan comments on backwards compatibility: "why would anybody play this?"
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ArkhamFantasy
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Lack of PS3 BC doesnt bother me because that would genuinely be extremely difficult to do and PSnow cost them alot of money so they cant give it away for free. But PS2 and PS1 should be free (PS1 isnt even available). It's really sad.
It also sends a terrible message about BC with future consoles. Will PS5 play PS4 games? With their current strategy it doesnt sound like it.
GrayFoxPL
Member
Wii had BC with Gamecube too.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
That'd be a huge bummer. It already stings that PS4 doesn't have any, but there was the whole PS3/2 having the exotic architecture excuse. Isn't PS4 supposed to be more standard and streamlined? Come on.
Yeah, no, all Nintendo handhelds were always backwards compatible and both the Wii U and the Wii for their consoles. Also, I see we repeat the lie that you had to buy the VC games again on the Wii U. It's pretty obvious that certain people haven't touched a Nintendo console in ages
jono51
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Very nice statement Jim, thank you for saying what we're all thinking.
Us REAL fans are right behind you. We will always stand behind you word, you can count on us. We don't want or need BC. Fuck BC. What a waste of time, money, and resources. I have hundreds of friends on PSN, and they have never mentioned BC. You guys are always making the smart moves this generation, and all the numbers say that nobody wants to play old games again. You would have to be a fucking dumbass to implement BC. PS4 is 6 to 1 outselling the XB1. BC is useless. That's why I fucking love you guys. BOOM.
If you think about it, BC would actually old the PS4 back. It would have to be able to code to the metal for the PS1, PS2 and PS3. There is only so much metal in the PS4, and it would take away from the graphics of UNCHARTED, GOD OF WAR, HORIZON, AND THE LAST OF US PART 2. That's 4x4k GOTY right there. You don't need BC for that. Look at where you get with no BC: 3rd place.
Besides, if you want to play old games we have plenty. We have the remasters and the remakes. We have #PS2onPS4. We have PSNow. PS4 is a great place to play the oldies too. PS1 classics will be coming soon. We have a TREMENDOUS amount of old games. I don't want to play my old games when the new playstation comes out. I mean, I will happily make threads on the remasters I'd like, but I'm happy to pay up for them. You guys deserve every penny. Thanks Jim.
Buy a PS4 Pro on amazon today.
Pre order the Crash Trilogy. Its gonna be 1080P, 60FPS, none of those n64 graphics.
Thanks Jim, thanks Sony.
Us REAL fans are right behind you. We will always stand behind you word, you can count on us. We don't want or need BC. Fuck BC. What a waste of time, money, and resources. I have hundreds of friends on PSN, and they have never mentioned BC. You guys are always making the smart moves this generation, and all the numbers say that nobody wants to play old games again. You would have to be a fucking dumbass to implement BC. PS4 is 6 to 1 outselling the XB1. BC is useless. That's why I fucking love you guys. BOOM.
If you think about it, BC would actually old the PS4 back. It would have to be able to code to the metal for the PS1, PS2 and PS3. There is only so much metal in the PS4, and it would take away from the graphics of UNCHARTED, GOD OF WAR, HORIZON, AND THE LAST OF US PART 2. That's 4x4k GOTY right there. You don't need BC for that. Look at where you get with no BC: 3rd place.
Besides, if you want to play old games we have plenty. We have the remasters and the remakes. We have #PS2onPS4. We have PSNow. PS4 is a great place to play the oldies too. PS1 classics will be coming soon. We have a TREMENDOUS amount of old games. I don't want to play my old games when the new playstation comes out. I mean, I will happily make threads on the remasters I'd like, but I'm happy to pay up for them. You guys deserve every penny. Thanks Jim.
Buy a PS4 Pro on amazon today.
Pre order the Crash Trilogy. Its gonna be 1080P, 60FPS, none of those n64 graphics.
Thanks Jim, thanks Sony.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
They have a PS2 emulator, they just charge for it.
brandonh83
Banned
Well, in this instance I'm mostly talking about the virtual console. But yeah I admit I forgot about some of that stuff. Still, I wouldn't say they've always had it but I was responding to someone over the virtual console service.
And yeah, you had to rebuy them. They had discounts and if you didn't have the Wii that you already bought them on and didn't do the system transfer, not even that.
The point is that it should have always been tied to an account.
I hope I'm wrong but have had nagging fears. Comments like this don't put me at ease.
As someone who has gone all-in on digital and doesn't like to keep old consoles due to space and aesthetics I really hope I'm wrong. I'll probably buy most multiplats elsewhere now.
Also from a business perspective I realize they made a significant investment for the tech behind PSNow and thus that concept isn't going away soon
Like I said, the handhelds always had it. For their consoles, the Wii plays Gamecube games and the Wii U plays Wii games. You didn't have to rebuy any of your VC purchases from the Wii but they did offer a discount program if you wanted to take advantage of some of the Wii U features. No other company has been as consistent with backwards compatibility, which is the one thing that annoys me the most about the Switch
rmatheso
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Just like they did with PS3 on PS4, which no one cares about apparently. It's funny how some responses here don't care about PS3 compatibility with PS4, but want the PS5 to be compatible with PS4. Why would you care at all about BC? The PS5 would be playing "old" games...
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Look, either people want their machines to be BC or they don't. I'd like the PS5 to be compatible with PS4, PS3, PS2 and PS1. Xbox Next to be compatible with Xbox One, Xbox 360 and Original Xbox. Obviously this is hard to achieve but it should be the goal.
Mr. Poolman
Member
Now please buy our remasters!
brandonh83
Banned
Man, I must have missed out on this because I had to rebuy them.
many prefer it to be available during the launch of a new gen. because those can be the times when new games aren't releasing as often as later in the console's life. Just look at first year ps4 and xbox1 to this year. this year has been loaded, and first year was pretty barren.
brandonh83
Banned
I think remasters are great to help old games keep up with the times, at the very least to look good on an HDTV.
He's saying you didn't have to rebuy them because you you can play them in Wii mode on the console
I don't disagree with that on pre-X360PS3 games but that doesn't excuse non-BC on the PS5
brandonh83
Banned
Not what I'm talking about though. I'm talking about service to service between consoles and for the Wii mode you had to do a system transfer which wasn't available if you didn't still have the Wii. I sold my Wii console to be able to afford a Wii U at the time, so I wasn't able to do that and had to rebuy them. I also didn't care for the Wii mode really. Again not the same thing I'm talking about.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
It's a shame.
Personally, I'd rather pay for, and buy/collect old physical games, and only opt for a digital download if the physical was pulling a Suikoden II. I'd even be willing to pay for a more expensive and bigger/bulkier Playstation Sku that has actual BC enabled.
But, I have total zero interest in paying for a service that only lets me play a curated collection of older games digitally.
Man, I'm sorry you did, but I didn't. If you sold your Wii that's not Nintendo's fault, it's yours. Sucks for you,but that's life
brandonh83
Banned
Read above. What you're talking about is a different subject. I acknowledge the Wii mode, but there were caveats and it's not what I was originally talking about.
What new console?
I think most people are understanding about PS3 BC because they understand it's a Frankenstein of a console. We do see threads and requests for PS1 support though. I own a bunch of PS1 games and would love to play them on my PS4.
?????
GBC ran GB games (ok, that hardly counts)
GBA ran all gameboy games.
DS could play GBA games (until later models)
Wii could play GameCube games
Wii U could play Wii games
Texhnically Wii U could also play your legal backup copies of your GameCube games (see Nintendont thread on neogaf). While it couldn't handle the disc itself, it had all the firmware/architecture to run GC games natively.
Switch is the first Nintendo console in quite some time to have no BC functionality.
GametimeUK
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Backwards compatability isn't important. End of story. Yes it's a nice bonus features for sure and I totally wish it was supported, but the lack of BC hasn't hindered PS4 or Switch and it's inclusion on Xbox hasn't boosted their sales to significant amounts, but it has made the crowd somewhat happy.
Kind of funny how the best part of an Xbox One is that it's an Xbox 360.
Kind of funny how the best part of an Xbox One is that it's an Xbox 360.
But that's what he is talking about. I was just trying to clear it up for you.
However, if you are just trying to be argumentative then okay.
brandonh83
Banned
I know. I acknowledge that I forgot about that stuff, but again I'm mainly talking strictly about the virtual console service, at least that was the original topic.
Not whatsoever. I get what you guys are saying, I think there was just some confusion.
Radical Edward
Member
Lies, there's no way you are finding games on Friday the 13th . lol
the 3DS can also run GBA games natively in the same way the Wii U can run GCN games
True. I found that perplexing that they only did the limited ambassador games
So far Max Payne is the only PS2 game I've played on my PS4 and the "trophy support" is an LoL reason to charge us. I think that game had like 8 token trophies added to it
Chill Penguin
Member
Let's be honest with what the real reason is. They've invested a lot into Gaikai/PSnow and want to see that as a revenue stream.
If Xbox remains BC and the PS5 is not, that's a big value advantage for Xbox. And we saw how quickly market sentiment can change with Xbox to 360 and PS2 to PS3.
Liliana Eileen
Member
You know it has been patched, right?
I totally know what you're saying, but that's still not true. Yes, if you sold your Wii before doing the system transfer then yes, you lost access to the games. But once you did the transfer you could sell it or dump it or do whatever you want. Would everyone prefer an account system? Obviously yes. But given the option to have nothing at all, I'd rather do the system transfer
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Whats this a haiku?
OfTheOverflow
Member
You know what? I agree with him.
I've never known anyone to watch an old movie again, listen to an old album, read an old book, and certainly not look at old art.
Why should video games be the exception?
I've never known anyone to watch an old movie again, listen to an old album, read an old book, and certainly not look at old art.
Why should video games be the exception?
brandonh83
Banned
Early Monday drunk posting, though to be fair maybe it's later where they are.
sturgboski
Member
Please be an elaborate troll and Monday its announced...
Musky_Cheese
Banned
The title to this thread should be "links. Everyone wants them, no one reads them"
18 pages and only a small handful seem to understand that the interviewer and Jim are talking PS2 on PS4. So all the xbox360 on One is not a great comparison.
Talking about PS2... on the PS4. Reading the article could have cleared all that up.
18 pages and only a small handful seem to understand that the interviewer and Jim are talking PS2 on PS4. So all the xbox360 on One is not a great comparison.
Talking about PS2... on the PS4. Reading the article could have cleared all that up.
brandonh83
Banned
I mean, at the very least we can quell our expectations when it comes to any potential E3 announcements, right?
To your first paragraph I agree 100%. I think they want more than that out of the service but that's off topic
To your second paragraph I think that could make a difference in the US but not a huge difference WW
Musky_Cheese
Banned
Ps1 and 2 Gt do look very dated.
brandonh83
Banned
A lot of great things look dated.
Me too! And the Silent Hill games... oh god I just remembered the HD collection.
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