fizzelopeguss
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WAR took a long steamy piss on the warhammer fiction anyway, it wouldn't have mattered if they added dancing.
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Soon-to-be laid off EA Employee: Why Warhammer Failed (and why Old Republic will)
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mjemirzian
Banned
Well I've been posting on the linked Jaffe blog's comments. Didn't know there were so many delusional people who thought GOWs combat and control follies were acceptable.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Disappointed at the lack of reading comprehension some people are displaying btw, the TOR install is 20 gigs. not just the audio. 20 gigs for the whole thing.
Dragon Age was 15 gigs and nobody raised a fuss about that ...
Dragon Age was 15 gigs and nobody raised a fuss about that ...
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Having never played an MMO, what is all this dancing discussion? Is dancing a big part of MMO's or something. To me it sounds like an out of place discussion of minutiae, like "and they wouldn't even allow helmets with griffon hair, only horse hair", but people seem to be taking it at face value as something that could feasibly play any role in the failure of an MMO or be limiting to a designer.
CrookedRain
Member
And The Force Unleashed was 24 gigs. :lolRaging Spaniard said:
DurielBlack
Member
Andrex said:
Agreed, sure theres going to be a LOT of force-users in the game, but at least there are several classes that make sense. Additionally from what I can tell its not like making a Jedi means you get to wtfpwnmeltface all the other classes, because they are shooting for balance. A smuggler will be just as viable in combat as a Jedi Guardian.
If you look at the non-jedi classes too, they all look interesting with cool abilities. I actually want to make a sith inquisitor or smuggler as my first character. After that I will probably make my dark jedi lightsaber wielding character.
At least they also picked a timeline that makes sense for there be to be thousands of jedi running around.
As for this guys rant, hes probably more pissed about being laid off than anything else. Games are business, and the days of individuals having lots of influence in the development are fast coming to a close. I think its funny he compares TOR with Avatar. Avatar cost 500 million to make, but it also made over a billion in profit. Consequently with that much investment into the special effects of the film, they stuck with a tried and true storyline that we've all heard before. The plot was crappy, the acting ranged from merely adequate to good, but the movie was still ENTERTAINING.
I see The Old Republic, at worst, being similar. They are spending loads of money on creating a quest system with lots of dialogue (the equivalent to the millions spend on Avatars 3-d effects), while sticking close to the standard MMO forumula set by other MMOs (tank/healer/DPS and the equivalent to Avatars storyline). Assuming they do a good job overall and do a great job in specific areas, the game should be profitable (and it doesnt need to reach 10 million subsribers to be profitable).
GhostRidah
Member
People still complain about GB used? heck you can go get a 1tb drive for 100 and under, come on now. I only feel for the people downloading the game with bandwidth limits.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Jenga said:
lol yeah I did the same thing after a month :lol
ThatObviousUser
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DurielBlack said:
That's... actually a pretty good analogy if I do say so myself. Having BioWare's name on it is likewise similar to all the Avatar trailers blaring "JAMES CAMERON MADE THIS."
EA is a terrible company that destroys everything it touches. Nothing great has ever come out of EA, only a select few merely good games that float in an overwhelmingly large library of failures, that probably would have been much better if they had nothing to do with their creation.
This forum has the collective long term memory of goldfish. People think EA is currently the industry's white knight because they are less successful than Activison-Blizzard at playing the same game. They are just as evil, they just happen to suck at it. They swallow up good studios and turn them to shit in the blink of an eye. They have done it for decades and this unfortunate fellow's story is by no means unique. If your job isn't gone when EA buys the studio you work at, it will be gone eventually because they outsource everything they possibly can.
I interviewed at EAM for a lowly QA position and didn't get the job, which was fair enough as a lot of people interviewed. Less than a year later I was working in their offices as an outsourced contractor for minimum wage and none of the benefits a real employee would get. EAM does not exist on its own merits. The games they make are undeniably shit. The studio exists solely because of Quebec tax incentives. The government gives them public tax dollars for the sole purpose of creating jobs, an investment in the future of young folks like myself. When I was there the offices were half empty, and the entire first floor of office space was a ghost town.
The worst part about it is that myself and many other contractors who worked at an office in close proximity to the Montreal studio were out of work for a long period of time. Why? Because EA deemed it cheaper to outsource from countries like Argentina and India.
I don't need to hope EA crashes and burns. It will because it's a bad company with no sense of ethics. Developers with an ounce of self worth don't go to work there unless they are either young, naive, talentless, or a combination of all three, and it is reflected in the quality of their shipped titles. Fuck you EA.
This forum has the collective long term memory of goldfish. People think EA is currently the industry's white knight because they are less successful than Activison-Blizzard at playing the same game. They are just as evil, they just happen to suck at it. They swallow up good studios and turn them to shit in the blink of an eye. They have done it for decades and this unfortunate fellow's story is by no means unique. If your job isn't gone when EA buys the studio you work at, it will be gone eventually because they outsource everything they possibly can.
I interviewed at EAM for a lowly QA position and didn't get the job, which was fair enough as a lot of people interviewed. Less than a year later I was working in their offices as an outsourced contractor for minimum wage and none of the benefits a real employee would get. EAM does not exist on its own merits. The games they make are undeniably shit. The studio exists solely because of Quebec tax incentives. The government gives them public tax dollars for the sole purpose of creating jobs, an investment in the future of young folks like myself. When I was there the offices were half empty, and the entire first floor of office space was a ghost town.
The worst part about it is that myself and many other contractors who worked at an office in close proximity to the Montreal studio were out of work for a long period of time. Why? Because EA deemed it cheaper to outsource from countries like Argentina and India.
I don't need to hope EA crashes and burns. It will because it's a bad company with no sense of ethics. Developers with an ounce of self worth don't go to work there unless they are either young, naive, talentless, or a combination of all three, and it is reflected in the quality of their shipped titles. Fuck you EA.
mescalineeyes
Banned
GT Vespene said:
What did Mass Effect ever do to you?
black_vegeta
Member
Damn, just read the OP...EA, Bioware, George Lucas ON BLAST!!!!
Anticitizen One
Banned
He's just a disgruntled soon to be laid off worker. A loafer no doubt.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Noticed a while ago that Joystiq and Kotaku havent reported on this. THIS IS WEIRD. Those guys have no editorial integrity to speak of, hell they post boobs half the time just because theres no news to talk about.... but here you have a potentially huge story that even reveals a game that hasnt been announced and they dont say a thing?
Suspicious.
Suspicious.
nolookjones
Member
Mar said:
dead space was great but thats about it for internal produced games (before that was SSX) ...ea seems to have the midas touch of shit for running great studios into the ground...
also they tend to come up with trends that really hurt the industry like art outsourcing, required used games to buy a new online license, yearly layoffs, etc
theignoramus
Member
Source?Haunted said:
$40-$50 million for the game, $150 million for the marketing: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/18/business/fi-ct-duty18theignoramus said:
To put this in perspective, the last ad run for Halo 3 was only $10 million: http://www.brandweek.com/bw/magazine/current/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003637129
RSLAEV
Member
I love how so many people are willing to just write the guy off because he's angry. Of course he's fucking angry! If I was about to lose my job because some fatheads at the top of the food chain bungled the deal I'd write a letter just like this one. Actually no I wouldn't because I wouldn't have the balls. But I'd want to!
Gonna bookmark this thread, and if SWTOR sucks a phat one...
Gonna bookmark this thread, and if SWTOR sucks a phat one...
Rodney McKay
Member
Raging Spaniard said:
Kotaku steals story from NeoGAF, people get mad.
Kotaku doesn't take a story from NeoGAF, people get mad.
Maybe (JUST maybe) they are trying to find out more about this guy before posting a blog entry titled "ANONYMOUS LAYED OFF EA EMPLOYEE ANGRY AT EA." The dude could be the freakin' mailman for Mythic for all they know. Not saying this info is BS or anything, but sometimes "editorial integrity" involves more than reposting something a guy on the internet said.
But it's more likely this is all a giant conspiracy to keep ealouse quiet cuz KoCOCKu and JoySUCK are paid large bags of money by EA to only say good things about them.
ThatObviousUser
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RSLAEV said:
...it won't prove anything, since this guy has absolutely nothing to do with it. SW TOR was barely a footnote on his original post, 95% of it had to do with WAR, that's what people should be homing in on.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Its hard to tell if they mean the ad cost 10 million or if that includes the actual airtime. Mirrors Edge had a marketing budget in NA of over 9 million and it didn't seem that heavily pushed on TV, but 10 million for just creating the ad seems excessive.Nirolak said:
TestMonkey
Member
Boney said:
I really hope you are being sarcastic. Oh sweet journalism you've fallen so very, very far. I miss Walter Cronkite.
robor
Member
Mar said:
I haven't played/purchase an EA game since Hot Pursuit. There has been nothing of interest from them and as soon as they eat up a developer I liked, I stop following. They can buy out any developer they like, they can HAVE Respawn, it doesn't matter because anything they devour comes out the other end looking like shit.
EA and ActivisionBlizzard are the Jerry Bruckheimer of games.
Respawn hasn't made shit yet you hype donkey. What's most ironic about your reply is that they made MoH:AA and LEFT EA all those years ago because they didn't like their business practices, and went to Activision to make CoD.Mar said:
And yes, EA makes nothing but shit. They publish a few good ones, but for the most part don't develop them.
Tylahedras
Banned
I hope he's wrong about Old Republic. I was pretty hyped for that.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Rodney McKay said:
Youre not making sense here, stop generalizing.
GAF had nothing to do with breaking this story, this forum wasnt even the 3rd place where I stumbled onto this guy's blog today.
wolfmat
Confirmed Asshole
Interestingly, the original Skate was a complete break with skateboarding games conventions and a smart product with heart and all.robor said:
For reference, Skate was by EA Black Box, who also made NFSHP2, which was by itself one of the best NFS titles of all time.
Also, they made NFSU, which also was a landmark title by any standard.
So you basically deprived yourself from enjoying some outstanding games. And they do have studios that flourish from being under them.
It's not all b&w.
DennisK4 said:
Hell I would to. I'm the guy that finished the game 3 times, bought every DLC including weapons, and did the Mountain Dew crap. Of course I'd want them to finish the trilogy.
However, afterwards, if they manage to pull off an third person shooter MMO within the universe, it would be great. They have a solid fleshed out universe with the ultimate set up thanks to the trilogy that came before it. They have a class system already built into the lore and numerous humanoid races to choose from.
It's like doing their Star Wars MMO, only without the LucasArts dev puppeteering that surely goes on from time to time.
wolfmat
Confirmed Asshole
The class system in ME isn't exactly good and wouldn't hold up in an MMO. I think that's pretty much a given.GT Vespene said:
Besides, with the departure from loot-n-stats oriented gameplay in ME2, it doesn't really look like the final destination is an MMO. At least not a traditional one.
MaddenNFL64
Member
The guy has hearsay about TOR, a game he never worked on.
I like what ive seen from the game. Might get it, if the reviews & impressions are good.
I wanna be a jedi & shit. Make it great Bioware.
I like what ive seen from the game. Might get it, if the reviews & impressions are good.
I wanna be a jedi & shit. Make it great Bioware.