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[aeroslash]

I'm sorry guys, maybe saying it's because of spanish engineers is not right, but come on, i'm spanish and everybody know that spanish engineers are not like the german ones for example..We are not know for high tech...and even regarding trains, AVE has nothing to do with other high speed trains like the french ones and the Japanese..

Now on topic again...watching the images of the moment, there's something quite strange...it seems it's the second or third car the first that goes out.. I think in normal circumstances, the first car would be the one to go out, wouldn't it?

 

[strafer]

Hmm, let's see how long before the nutties come out with conspiracy theories. It's bound to happen.

 

[tino]

Some people don't understand why the train derail? Over speed on a curve, isn't that obvious? This was exactly what happened with last Japan Bullet train derail tragedy.

 

[Kabouter]

I'm sorry guys, maybe saying it's because of spanish engineers is not right, but come on, i'm spanish and everybody know that spanish engineers are not like the german ones for example..We are not know for high tech...and even regarding trains, AVE has nothing to do with other high speed trains like the french ones and the Japanese..

Now on topic again...watching the images of the moment, there's something quite strange...it seems it's the second or third car the first that goes out.. I think in normal circumstances, the first car would be the one to go out, wouldn't it?

Huge train crashes can happen everywhere, including ones caused by mechanical problems.

 

[Funky Papa]

Hmm, let's see how long before the nutties come out with conspiracy theories. It's bound to happen.

Conservative newspaper ABC already went for the terrorist attack angle before it became evident this was an accident.

I hate them.

I'm sorry guys, maybe saying it's because of spanish engineers is not right, but come on, i'm spanish and everybody know that spanish engineers are not like the german ones for example..

You are confusing engineers with project managers. Our engineers are as good as any other and the AVE is world class.

 

[Vicetrailia]

I just hope this tragedy doesn't affect any US projects

Maybe if someone had an agenda, otherwise we wouldn't have a lot of stuff that we do.

Terrible tragedy, Google shouldn't be taking this footage down from youtube though.

 

[Snkfanatic]

Wow this is terrible....

RIP

 

[Metroxed]

I'm sorry guys, maybe saying it's because of spanish engineers is not right, but come on, i'm spanish and everybody know that spanish engineers are not like the german ones for example..We are not know for high tech...and even regarding trains, AVE has nothing to do with other high speed trains like the french ones and the Japanese..

Well, that's your opinion. Spain has worldwide renown train manufacturing companies, like the Basque CAF (this Alvia was a CAF one, I believe), who exports train material and actual units to the whole world.

I don't know in which part of Spain you live, but I hope your reference of Spanish trains are not the old Cercanías trains from some parts of south Spain. This, as most of the Spanish trains, was a high-end train.

 

[TalesOfWin]

wow if Spanish train engineering is so good, why dont they have this:

Speeding impossible in Sweden

Stockholm. That a train drivers could drive too fast on routes with speed limits is impossible in Sweden. It says Transport Administration to TT in a comment to the severe train accident in Spain.

- We have several years safety Automatic Train Control (ATC) that allows signals along the track detects if the train is running too fast. Does it happen sensors send signals to the locomotive's computer that allows the train decelerates, says Hakan Nordqvist, enforcement officer for Swedish road safety at Transport Administration.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/senastenytt/ttnyheter/utrikes/article17191590.ab

 

[Cebado]

wow if Spanish train engineering is so good, why dont they have this:



http://www.aftonbladet.se/senastenytt/ttnyheter/utrikes/article17191590.ab

We do. That rails were prepared, but not for an Alvia. The driver could think that the system would reduce the train speed automatically but it would only happen if the train were an AVE.

 

[RE lover]

Up to 79 dead... plus 20 others in critical condition

 

[Funky Papa]

wow if Spanish train engineering is so good, why dont they have this:



http://www.aftonbladet.se/senastenytt/ttnyheter/utrikes/article17191590.ab

The European Train Control System is widespread all over the country. Your smarminess is unwarranted and rather aggravating.

 

[ffdgh]

The death count rose over the past few hours? I hope it doesn't become higher...

 

[tirant]

I'm sorry guys, maybe saying it's because of spanish engineers is not right, but come on, i'm spanish and everybody know that spanish engineers are not like the german ones for example..We are not know for high tech...and even regarding trains, AVE has nothing to do with other high speed trains like the french ones and the Japanese..

What the fuck are you talking about? How many international engineering projects have you worked on? what nationalities have you been working with? Please tell me, because I think you are talking straight from your ass.

wow if Spanish train engineering is so good, why dont they have this:



http://www.aftonbladet.se/senastenytt/ttnyheter/utrikes/article17191590.ab

That exists as well in spanish trains. Why it was disabled or not working? That's the problem.

 

[aeroslash]

Huge train crashes can happen everywhere, including ones caused by mechanical problems.

I know, I didn't say it can't happen anywhere

Well, that's your opinion. Spain has worldwide renown train manufacturing companies, like the Basque CAF (this Alvia was a CAF one, I believe), who exports train material and actual units to the whole world.

I don't know in which part of Spain you live, but I hope your reference of Spanish trains are not the old Cercanías trains from some parts of south Spain. This, as most of the Spanish trains, was a high-end train.

I'm not from the south and i don't know exact numbers, but i'm sure the french and japanese comapanies are above anything coming from spain, that's it. If you have actual numbers, i would be glad to see them. Thanks in advance.

Maybe the trains are quite good, but the railways are very bad. Anyone remembers the hole that appeared in the Ave line between Zaragoza and Barcelona?? Or all the stations in the middle of nowhere just for the sake of saying that the train takes 3 h to go from x to y? I'm sorry guys, but i don't think having the most extensive high speed railroad network of europe but one of the less used in terms of passengers is something to be proud of.

Anyway, RIP.

 

[not_so_special]

I'm sorry guys, maybe saying it's because of spanish engineers is not right, but come on, i'm spanish and everybody know that spanish engineers are not like the german ones for example..We are not know for high tech...and even regarding trains, AVE has nothing to do with other high speed trains like the french ones and the Japanese..

Now on topic again...watching the images of the moment, there's something quite strange...it seems it's the second or third car the first that goes out.. I think in normal circumstances, the first car would be the one to go out, wouldn't it?

dont wanna to be rude to you dude,but yo dont know shit

 

[Kabouter]

I'm not from the south and i don't know exact numbers, but i'm sure the french and japanese comapanies are above anything coming from spain, that's it. If you have actual numbers, i would be glad to see them. Thanks in advance.

Well, with evidence like that, who are we to disagree with your original assertion?

 

[Hypron]

What the fuck are you talking about? How many international engineering projects have you worked on? what nationalities have you been working with? Please tell me, because I think you are talking straight from your ass.

This.

 

[Funky Papa]

Maybe the trains are quite good, but the railways are very bad. Anyone remembers the hole that appeared in the Ave line between Zaragoza and Barcelona?? Or all the stations in the middle of nowhere just for the sake of saying that the train takes 3 h to go from x to y? I'm sorry guys, but i don't think having the most extensive high speed railroad network of europe but one of the less used in terms of passengers is something to be proud of.

That has fuck all to do with engineering and everything with political decisions. Engineers didn't get to draw the tracks nor point where the train stations had to be erected, Madrid and the local governments did it through the Ministry of Public Works and Transport. If train stations are inconvenient is not the fault of the engineers. Politicians were the ones saying where the tracks had to be laid through.

Do yourself a favour and keep quiet. You are spouting nonsense.

 

[ClassyPenguin]

Maybe if someone had an agenda, otherwise we wouldn't have a lot of stuff that we do.

So basically Republicans.

 

[RE lover]

The driver has been doing this route for 2 years so it's not like he didn't know that was a dangerous curve.

I'm not saying he's not guilty but clearly something else went terribly wrong because such speed is unbelievable for that curve

 

[aeroslash]

That has fuck all to do with engineering and everything with political decisions. Engineers didn't get to draw the tracks nor the train stations, Madrid and the local governments did.

Do yourself a favour and keep quiet. You are spouting nonsense.

Yes, i'm sure the hole in Zaragoza was beacuse of a political decision and not because of bad engineering.

Well, with evidence like that, who are we to disagree with your original assertion?

I'm just stating an opinion. Do you know what is that? I haven't stated that as a fact. Even more, i have asked for numbers and if someone provide them, i will be glad to change my opinion.

What the fuck are you talking about? How many international engineering projects have you worked on? what nationalities have you been working with? Please tell me, because I think you are talking straight from your ass.



That exists as well in spanish trains. Why it was disabled or not working? That's the problem.

LOL. I've not been directly in any engineering project, as i'm not an engineer. I've worked with some high know scientist in their fields and everyone tells the same. The last one is a friend who is working in a project with Yamaha, and Lokheed Martin.
Now i'm working in a multi cultural enviroment, and you know what? We, spanish are of another kind of mentality. Germans, Dutch, French and Nordic people are all more hard worker than us.
I'm not saying we don't have great engineers...just that in other countries they're more prepared.

Anyway, stay on topic ok? It's been very bad news.

Anyone can think of why it's the second or third train that derails first and not the first one?

 

[trineo_feo]

I'm sorry guys, maybe saying it's because of spanish engineers is not right, but come on, i'm spanish and everybody know that spanish engineers are not like the german ones for example..We are not know for high tech...and even regarding trains, AVE has nothing to do with other high speed trains like the french ones and the Japanese..

Now on topic again...watching the images of the moment, there's something quite strange...it seems it's the second or third car the first that goes out.. I think in normal circumstances, the first car would be the one to go out, wouldn't it?

I am an Spanish Engineer and you do not know what are you talking about. The train industry in Spain is world class, we sell trains everywhere. We are building the high speed train that is going to be in La Meca, and we are consultants fucking everywhere. And in Spain we have the largest high speed train network in Europe.

We are not world class in consumer electronics or space programs, but in trains? Damn right we are.

 

[meppi]

The latest word seems to be that the driver admitted he was going much too fast.
According to investigators he was doing 190kmph where he should only have been doing 80...
dutch link.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Now i'm working in a multi cultural enviroment, and you know what? We, spanish are of another kind of mentality. Germans, Dutch, French and Nordic people are all more hard worker than us.

But yet Spain has one of the largest, most high tech networks in the entire fucking world.

 

[Funky Papa]

Yes, i'm sure the hole in Zaragoza was beacuse of a political decision and not because of bad engineering.

YES.

Because it was the Ministry of Public Works and Transport AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE ENGINEERS who decided that the AVE had to pass through a zone prone to sinkholes. Politicians made those decisions, not engineers. This is the capital reason behind many of our infrastructure problems and duplicities; politicians getting involved in things they don't understand.

 

[tirant]

LOL. I've not been directly in any engineering project, as i'm not an engineer. I've worked with some high know scientist in their fields and everyone tells the same. The last one is a friend who is working in a project with Yamaha, and Lokheed Martin.

You are not an engineer, you haven't worked in any engineering project and your opinion is based on what a 'friend' said... Amazing.

Now i'm working in a multi cultural enviroment, and you know what? We, spanish are of another kind of mentality. Germans, Dutch, French and Nordic people are all more hard worker than us.
I'm not saying we don't have great engineers...just that in other countries they're more prepared.

Be clear, please: hard workers or prepared? And where do you get that information from? Because of your pitiful anecdotal evidence?

Really, do yourself a favor, and stop talking about things you don't know.

Anyway, stay on topic ok? It's been very bad news.

And you ask that? Lol.

 

[Acidote]

Nm, what Funky Papa just said.

Politicians even want to make the "Mediterranean corridor" pass through Madrid and skip the Costa del Sol.

 

[PuppetSlave]

Anyone can think of why it's the second or third train that derails first and not the first one?

Not an engineer but I assume that it has something to do with the amount of weight increasing as the train goes through the corner, so in that high speed it took 2 or 3 train cars until that limit hit.

Tragic event. They have the black box so I assume it's only a matter of time until they can figure out what exactly happened. Also I think I read somewhere about how at least one of the drivers survived.

 

[DY_nasty]

Fuck the finger pointing bullshit.

Thoughts and prayers go out to those caught up in all this.

 

[IISANDERII]

Footage of the accident.

Appears to be going too fast.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Lolololol dirty sombrero engineers kill innocents because they were serving servesa por favor to tourists instead of working. Obvious sangria math is obvious. Andele andele el train se nos fue manito.

Fucking despicable the ignorant fucktards taking potshots at a country on the wake of a tragedy.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Footage of the accident.

Holy cow, that's a VIOLENT crash.

 

[Metroxed]

I'm not from the south and i don't know exact numbers, but i'm sure the french and japanese comapanies are above anything coming from spain, that's it. If you have actual numbers, i would be glad to see them. Thanks in advance.

Maybe the trains are quite good, but the railways are very bad. Anyone remembers the hole that appeared in the Ave line between Zaragoza and Barcelona?? Or all the stations in the middle of nowhere just for the sake of saying that the train takes 3 h to go from x to y? I'm sorry guys, but i don't think having the most extensive high speed railroad network of europe but one of the less used in terms of passengers is something to be proud of.

Anyway, RIP.

I'm sorry I have to put it this way, but: you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Those things you're mentioning have literally nothing to do, neither with the reasons of the accident nor with the engineering or quality of the train systems in Spain. Those things you mentioned are all about politics and corruption. Nothing to do with the quality of the actual services and the quality of the Spanish railways.

 

[aeroslash]

I am an Spanish Engineer and you do not know what are you talking about. The train industry in Spain is world class, we sell trains everywhere. We are building the high speed train that is going to be in La Meca, and we are consultants fucking everywhere. And in Spain we have the largest high speed train network in Europe.

We are not world class in consumer electronics or space programs, but in trains? Damn right we are.

But yet Spain has one of the largest, most high tech networks in the entire fucking world.

You two may also be proud of the number of passengers using the network, no? Lol. One of the causes Spain economy is where it is right now is because of the AVE lines. Milions and milions of euros when only just a few legs are and will be profitable. Yeah, that's worldclass and something to be proud of.

You are not an engineer, you haven't worked in any engineering project and your opinion is based on what a 'friend' said... Amazing.


Be clear, please: hard workers or prepared? And where do you get that information from? Because of your pitiful anecdotal evidence?

Really, do yourself a favor, and stop talking about things you don't know.




And you ask that? Lol.

And yours is based on what? I've said i work in a multicultural enviroment related to high tech, and yes, they usually are more keen to hard work and they are more prepared than the average student in Spain.

 

[Funky Papa]

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

You two may also be proud of the number of passengers using the network, no? Lol. One of the causes Spain economy is where it is right now is because of the AVE lines. Milions and milions of euros when only just a few legs are and will be profitable. Yeah, that's worldclass and something to be proud of.

I'm sorry I have to put it this way, but: you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Those things you're mentioning have literally nothing to do, neither with the reasons of the accident nor with the engineering or quality of the train systems in Spain. Those things you mentioned are all about politics and corruption. Nothing to do with the quality of the actual services and the quality of the Spanish railways.

Durrrrr derp derp.

Did your team lose a bid for a contract or what, you appear to have issues.

 

[Wind's Howling]

This thread is starting to become a fierce competition on who's right and who's wrong instead of remembering the people who died and just showing your grief.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Checked his post history?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=48797178&postcount=581

So this is why.

 

[Ce-Lin]

It's getting annoying the posters here pointing to lazy-ass Spaniards for this tragedy, come the fuck on, Spain runs the biggest HSR network in Europe with the Alta Velocidad Española (AVE) at speeds up to 310 km/h (193 mph). Spain is actively helping a lot of countries, the USA being one of them, to develop their rail networks. Not a single tragedy happened until yesterday, so get your facts checked before posting nonsense.

The train was equipped with lots of safety measures even auto-breaking when approaching sharp turns on track, firmware prevents the train drivers from override this safety function so we should just wait to know what really happened and who or what is to blame. Apart from that, forensic police authorities already requesting DNA samples to identify a lot of the victims, the impact was absolutely huge, I just hope our brothers didn't suffer, RIP.

 

[Funky Papa]

Bodycount up to 80.

 

[Atolm]

The bodycount is going to be higher, sadly. Up to 32 adults and 4 children in critical condition ;(

 

[tirant]

And yours is based on what? I've said i work in a multicultural enviroment related to high tech, and yes, they usually are more keen to hard work and they are more prepared than the average student in Spain.

I don't need to give any explanations because I have not proclaimed anything about Spanish, German or French Engineers.

You come here, leave a disrespectful opinion about Spanish Engineers, and back it up on nothing but some anecdotal evidence.

And your multicultural environment related to high tech could perfectly mean the Laptop section of any Walmart shop.

PS: You want some data?

Check these:

http://www.oecd.org/els/emp/howdoesyourcountrycompare-spain.htm
http://www.oecd.org/els/emp/howdoesyourcountrycompare-germany.htm
http://www.oecd.org/els/emp/howdoesyourcountrycompare-france.htm

Spain workers work way more hours per year than their French, German colleagues.

If you want to discuss anything, do it with facts, and not shitty anecdotal evidence.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I don't need to give any explanations because I have not proclaimed anything about Spanish, German or French Engineers.

You come here, leave a disrespectful opinion about Spanish Engineers, and back it up on nothing but some anecdotal evidence.

And your multicultural environment related to high tech could perfectly mean the Laptop section of any Walmart shop.

PS: You want some data?

Check these:

http://www.oecd.org/els/emp/howdoesyourcountrycompare-spain.htm
http://www.oecd.org/els/emp/howdoesyourcountrycompare-germany.htm
http://www.oecd.org/els/emp/howdoesyourcountrycompare-france.htm

Spain workers work way more hours per year than their French, German colleagues.

If you want to discuss anything, do it with facts, and not shitty anecdotal evidence.

He's a Catalan with an axe to grind.

 

[Funky Papa]

Ugh, time to get back to the original conversation?

 

[Jezbollah]

That footage is harrowing. That train was easily going over 100mph.

absolutely heartbreaking so sad.

 

[Blablurn]

Footage of the accident.

Appears to be going too fast.

fuuuuuck

 

[DrM]

You can see on 3rd second of the video that 2nd wagon is starting to rise above tracks and when curve is getting bigger, it simply go in straight line and derail.

 

[aeroslash]

I don't need to give any explanations because I have not proclaimed anything about Spanish, German or French Engineers.

You come here, leave a disrespectful opinion about Spanish Engineers, and back it up on nothing but some anecdotal evidence.

And your multicultural environment related to high tech could perfectly mean the Laptop section of any Walmart shop.

PS: You want some data?

Check these:

http://www.oecd.org/els/emp/howdoesyourcountrycompare-spain.htm
http://www.oecd.org/els/emp/howdoesyourcountrycompare-germany.htm
http://www.oecd.org/els/emp/howdoesyourcountrycompare-france.htm

Spain workers work way more hours per year than their French, German colleagues.

If you want to discuss anything, do it with facts, and not shitty anecdotal evidence.

And? Working more ours means working better?? I won't explain what productivity is...

I've not said nothing direspectfull about spanish engineers, i was just stating that as an average they are not considered the best as someones here seemed to think.

He's a Catalan with an axe to grind.

What? That has nothing to do with what i said.

Anyway, as i said, bad news. I'm not contributing to talk about other things.

 

[Jb]

Good God that crash was insanely brutal :/ Between this, the crash in Canada and the one near Paris, it's been a terrible summer for the railroad industry.