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SPAIN: At least 80 dead in in train crash

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from the video looks like the bogie behind the engine was off the track and curved track made it worse.

RIP

Looks to me it came off due to the train braking really hard, as if the back wheels of the locomotive came off the ground.. Oh well, no need to speculate.. RIP. Just terrible.

Edit: Typing this as I'm riding a train. I currently sit 5 hours in a train for two days a week for work. Don't feel any less safe now, even though it makes you think twice. It's a bit like airplanes: When shit goes wrong (for whatever reason), it always goes very wrong due to the high amount of people riding aboard.
 
I was incredibly sad watching this yesterday on the tv, terrible, terrible thing.
RIP :(
And the families going to the accident... there was like a lady asking a policeman and breaking just there hearing the news, so so sad.

I know, I didn't say it can't happen anywhere



I'm not from the south and i don't know exact numbers, but i'm sure the french and japanese comapanies are above anything coming from spain, that's it. If you have actual numbers, i would be glad to see them. Thanks in advance.

Maybe the trains are quite good, but the railways are very bad. Anyone remembers the hole that appeared in the Ave line between Zaragoza and Barcelona?? Or all the stations in the middle of nowhere just for the sake of saying that the train takes 3 h to go from x to y? I'm sorry guys, but i don't think having the most extensive high speed railroad network of europe but one of the less used in terms of passengers is something to be proud of.

Anyway, RIP.

Don't want to be rude, but shut the fuck up please, you are making yourself really ignorant.
 
So for a train accident, is it safer to be in the front or back of the train? Window or aisle?

You never know, front of the train should be safer in a derailment, but it's worse in a frontal crash, it's pretty much a lottery, because if the train crashes you will, at a 99% chance, be thrown in the air violently.
 
Why all the bashing of the Spanish engineering? This is hardly (or the last :( ) train derailment...
It was the high speed but still it's unfortunate that the train didn't have a more efficient speed control mechanism, human error is always the main reason in most accidents. The words of the machinist after the tragedy are truly shocking " I derailed the train, what can one do about it? What can I do? "
 
Strange to think that a plane crash would be more survivable than a train wreck.

I'd be lying if I said that I didn't feel ill at ease riding on the Washington DC light rail train. It had its own fatal accident a few years ago, and I would feel a lot more comfortable if I had a seat belt.
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/25/us-spain-train-safety-idUSBRE96O1GK20130725

A day after the crash, the driver of the train which derailed on the outskirts of the northern Spanish city of Santiago de Compostela was under police watch in hospital but had not been arrested.

A judge in the Galicia region ordered police to question the driver, Francisco Jose Garzon, as a suspect and also ordered them to seize the black box of the train.

The 52-year-old driver was a 30-year veteran, said Renfe, the state train company. It has been widely reported that he took a sharp curve with an 80-kmph speed limit at more than twice that speed.

Many newspapers published excerpts from his Facebook account where he boasted of driving trains at high speed.
The account was closed early on Thursday.

The driver was not available for comment and Reuters was not able to locate his family or determine whether he has a lawyer.

Representatives of railway unions said it was too early to tell whether the driver was to blame.

"Human error is always a possibility, and in defense of human error what do we have, we have technology, that is what it is for ... but it is very difficult to know what might have happened without, for example, hearing what the driver was saying at the time," said Miguel Angel Cillero, responsible for transport at union UGT.
 
I was about to post about this alleged Facebook post, but the article was from the Daily fail, so I decided against it. But looks like they weren't the only ones posting the info.
 
A day after the crash, the driver of the train which derailed on the outskirts of the northern Spanish city of Santiago de Compostela was under police watch in hospital but had not been arrested.

A judge in the Galicia region ordered police to question the driver, Francisco Jose Garzon, as a suspect and also ordered them to seize the black box of the train.

The 52-year-old driver was a 30-year veteran, said Renfe, the state train company. It has been widely reported that he took a sharp curve with an 80-kmph speed limit at more than twice that speed.

Many newspapers published excerpts from his Facebook account where he boasted of driving trains at high speed. The account was closed early on Thursday.

The driver was not available for comment and Reuters was not able to locate his family or determine whether he has a lawyer.

Representatives of railway unions said it was too early to tell whether the driver was to blame.

"Human error is always a possibility, and in defense of human error what do we have, we have technology, that is what it is for ... but it is very difficult to know what might have happened without, for example, hearing what the driver was saying at the time," said Miguel Angel Cillero, responsible for transport at union UGT.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/25/us-spain-train-safety-idUSBRE96O1GK20130725

Motherfucker.
 
I was about to post about this alleged Facebook post, but the article was from the Daily fail, so I decided against it. But looks like they weren't the only ones posting the info.

Seems pretty legit:

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"i'm at the limit, can't accelerate more or else they'll fine me"
 
Seems pretty legit:

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"i'm at the limit, can't accelerate more or else they'll fine me"

That's bad journalism and witch-hunting, the guy can post whatever he wants, there is nothing illegal in that picture and it's from 2012, it's like if I want post a pic going at 110km/h in a 120km/h limited road, and then a year later I have an accident for going at 80km/h in a 50km/h zone, totally unrelated.

We don't really know yet if it was the machinist fault.
 
This tragedy is mindnumbingly terrible. 80 dead, 35 people severely injured, dozens of other injured... News here are speaking non-stop about this tragic event, on every channel.

I've been following this story avidly since the accident happened. In cases like this I tend to refuse blaming the driver / pilot because is the simplest thing to do, but in this case I don't know... apparently this guy has being doing the same route for about 3 years, he should have the whole thing memorized frontwards and backwards. He should know about that curve, and every tricky bit along the way. If the security system fails, he is responsible.

I am not saying he is the only one responsible. I assume we'll start seeing some other people bearing the blame in the next days, politicians included. The whole line should be equipped with the same top-notch security systems that AVE has, specially difficult stretches like the one where the accident took place. But at the same time, when automated braking and signaling systems fail, drivers should be there to make a difference. We'll see in the next days what the hell happened with the signaling, but as of now I cannot stop thinking this driver's cooked for real. He fucked up, badly.
 
That's bad journalism and witch-hunting, the guy can post whatever he wants, there is nothing illegal in that picture and it's from 2012, it's like if I want post a pic going at 110km/h in a 120km/h limited road, and then a year later I have an accident for going at 80km/h in a 50km/h zone, totally unrelated.

We don't really know yet if it was the machinist fault.

Those pictures aren't exactly picturing him nicely. He doesn't seem to take his job as seriously as he should on them. Human lifes are depending on him doing things properly.
 
As much as I would like to find someone to blame for this tragedy and lynch him alive, the whole Facebook comments were took very out of context. In fact, the most striking thing is that in all of them the machinist's facebook status he was very aware that he would be fined by the railway company if he ever exceed the speed limit and guidelines, even if he enjoys the fact that he can go way faster by using his train than with his car (hence the whole joking and speed limit commentaries).

Our journalists jumped into this, behaving like the fucking idiots that they were avid for someone to blame for this, showing how much do they love to act as Judge Dredd wannabees. Oh, and the whole emotional porn and sensationalism was off the charts and horrible. Journalist: "hey, did you saw you brother's body when you were getting out of the train?". Field pyschologist: "please leave the families alone, please go away, please!". I have never felt so much the need to punch someone trought a TV screen. I am so, so glad that I moved from journalism to advertising. Such a bullshit ridden profession.
 
Spain train crash: Driver said afterwards 'he wanted to die'

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Train driver Francisco Jose Garzon de Amo and (right) moments after the train crash in Santiago de Compostela

The driver of the train that derailed in northern Spain killing 80 people was expected to go before a judge on Friday, as it was reported that following the crash he commented that he had "****ed it up".
A train derailed outside the ancient northwestern Spanish city of Santiago de Compostela

The 52-year-old driver was to give his version of events leading up to the crash, as it emerged that in the aftermath he reportedly remarked: “I've ****ed it up. I want to die.”

Francisco Jose Garzon de Amo walked away from Spain’s worst rail accident in decades with only light injuries and has been under police guard in his hospital bed. Local media said his comments had been included in transcripts submitted to investigators.

Stills taken from footage from a track-side camera show the train derailing as it speeds round the bend

At least 80 people died as a result of the crash, 73 at the scene and a further seven from their injuries when they reached hospitals. Authorities described 36 others as being in “a critical condition”.

On Thursday it emerged that Mr Garzon, who has 30 years’ experience of operating trains, had allegedly previously boasted on his Facebook page about driving trains at excessive speeds and once posted a picture of a train speedometer reading 200km/h (124mph).

Two investigations have been launched in to the crash, a judicial investigation and one by Spain’s Ministry of Transport.

Information retrieved from the black box recorder confirmed that the train had indeed been travelling at 190 km per hour when it entered the curve on the approach to Santiago de Compostela.

The speed limit imposed on that stretch of track was 80 km per hour and it was still unclear whether the excess speed could be blamed solely on human error.

Reports suggested that the stretch of track where the derailment took place was a “blind spot” in terms of rail safety systems.

Spain’s Train Drivers’ Union reported that the accident “could have been avoided” had the track been fitted with the ERTMS system, which automatically applies the brakes if the train is going to fast, as it has across Spain’s other hi-speed rail links.

Instead the older ASFA system was installed, a system described as “perfectly adequate” by state-owned firm ADIF, which operates the tracks.

Local reports suggested however that the system may not have been functional on the curve itself.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-Driver-said-afterwards-he-wanted-to-die.html
 
I didn't notice this was posted on GAF.

Really sad news, unfortunately it could be helped.

First of all, during the project planification, it was clearly stated that it was a dangerous zone. Is a closed curve after a really long and fast straight line.

Second, the train driver had facebook photos from last year showing himself mocking about speed limits and how he broke them with his train.

So, we have A) a dangerous zone + B) an irresponsible driver = tragedy.

I'm glad the driver is alive and he can spend the rest of his days torturing himself about what he has done.
 
I've been following this story avidly since the accident happened. In cases like this I tend to refuse blaming the driver / pilot because is the simplest thing to do, but in this case I don't know... apparently this guy has being doing the same route for about 3 years, he should have the whole thing memorized frontwards and backwards. He should know about that curve, and every tricky bit along the way. If the security system fails, he is responsible.
Why would you tend to do anything in cases like this? Why not let the investigation determine the facts and circumstances and assign blame where it's due?

The 52-year-old driver was to give his version of events leading up to the crash, as it emerged that in the aftermath he reportedly remarked: “I've ****ed it up. I want to die.”
That seems like a normal excited response from someone in a position of responsibility after an incident regardless of whether he had been pushing the accelerator all the way or fighting to get the train under control as soon as he recognized a system had failed. I was in a car accident where the other driver ran a red light. Fortunately, I was so disoriented by the whole thing that I barely said two words as I got out to check on the other driver, otherwise I'm sure I would have said something that would've appeared incriminating like, "I'm sorry." even though I know I was in the right.
 
Still haven't heard back from one of my friends

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Hope he/she is alright.

I work on railroad tracks for a living, and have installed hundreds of concrete panels like the ones in service shown here. The fact that there seems to be little or no damage to the track itself tells you all you need to know. After the train derailment in New York in 1991 caused by motorman Robert E. Ray, speed guards were installed on many stretches of MTA track to slow down speeding trains. That really should have been in place here; it's a damn travesty that this man was able to gamble with human lives like this.
 
That's bad journalism and witch-hunting, the guy can post whatever he wants, there is nothing illegal in that picture and it's from 2012, it's like if I want post a pic going at 110km/h in a 120km/h limited road, and then a year later I have an accident for going at 80km/h in a 50km/h zone, totally unrelated.

We don't really know yet if it was the machinist fault.

If those are pics of the train speedometer he operates at work, and he is bragging about speeding, then he should have been reprimanded/suspended a long time ago. No, you cannot post whatever you want on Facebook or whatever without repercussions; he is a representative of that rail service.
 
Why would you tend to do anything in cases like this? Why not let the investigation determine the facts and circumstances and assign blame where it's due?

Press / people usually jump on someone's head quickly (eg: a plane crashes, blame is put on some dead pilot bc is the easy thing to do) when something terrible happens. I prefer to know more about the whole story before placing any blame. If you check my previous post, I was the one stating that we need to know more about the whole event.
 
If those are pics of the train speedometer he operates at work, and he is bragging about speeding, then he should have been reprimanded/suspended a long time ago. No, you cannot post whatever you want on Facebook or whatever without repercussions; he is a representative of that rail service.

But he wouldn't be speeding? The speed limit on the straight for that line is 200km/h.
 
On the radio they're commenting some stories about the victims on the trains. There's this particular story that seems pretty fucked up.

Like 2 weeks ago there was a terrible bus accident in Avila, Spain. The driver got asleep. There were 9 dead.

Apparently some dude was supposed to take that bus, but at the last moment decided against it for whatever the reason. He dodged that bullet... but not for long. This guy is one of the injured in the Compostela's train crash, his wife is one of the deceased.

If this story is true, one has to wonder about fate.


EDIT: The bus story, if anyone's interested. It's in Spanish though
 
If this story is true, one has to wonder about fate.
Fate is a bitch...

There was a week-long span last year where I had three incidents. Getting pulled over by the cops for burned out rear light (first time getting pulled over in my life), cracked windshield on the highway, and finally getting spun off the highway in front of a bunch of other cars due to a guy deciding he didn't want to take an exit ramp (managed to correct the spin and pull off to the shoulder).

Neither of those incidents caused any real damage (the last incident was a sideswipe), but made me paranoid as hell and super careful with my driving. Week after that, I got my car totalled from getting rear-ended when I was completely stopped in a traffic snarl...felt like getting trolled by fate.
 
Fate is a bitch...

There was a week-long span last year where I had three incidents. Getting pulled over by the cops for burned out rear light (first time getting pulled over in my life), cracked windshield on the highway, and finally getting spun off the highway in front of a bunch of other cars due to a guy deciding he didn't want to take an exit ramp (managed to correct the spin and pull off to the shoulder).

Neither of those incidents caused any real damage (the last incident was a sideswipe), but made me paranoid as hell and super careful with my driving. Week after that, I got my car totalled from getting rear-ended when I was completely stopped in a traffic snarl...felt like getting trolled by fate.

Yeah, when fate wants to fuck you up, it makes it for real.
 
But he wouldn't be speeding? The speed limit on the straight for that line is 200km/h.

I know it's very different where I work; they monitor Facebook like crazy, and if a motorman was to put something like that up it would definitely get flagged. Maybe because it's a high speed system they get more leeway, or they just have shit safety measures on that line, but the MTA doesn't really want their operators wrapping it around.
 
Press / people usually jump on someone's head quickly (eg: a plane crashes, blame is put on some dead pilot bc is the easy thing to do) when something terrible happens. I prefer to know more about the whole story before placing any blame.
But in this case, to hell with the whole story, you already know enough to hold him responsible?

If you check my previous post, I was the one stating that we need to know more about the whole event.
The post where you said:
...I tend to refuse blaming the driver / pilot because is the simplest thing to do, but in this case I don't know...
...he is responsible.
...I cannot stop thinking this driver's cooked for real. He fucked up, badly.
Is you saying "we need to know more?"
 
Spain train crash: Driver Garzon declines to give evidence.

The driver of the train that derailed killing 78 people has refused to answer initial questions, Spanish police say.

Francisco Jose Garzon Amo - hurt in Wednesday's crash - is under guard in hospital.

He is suspected of driving too fast round a bend. Reports say the train was travelling at more than double the speed limit at the time of the crash.

The case should now "proceed to a judicial process", the police added. Spain is in three days of mourning.

The police chief in the Galicia region, Jaime Iglesias, said earlier that the driver would be questioned "as a suspect for a crime linked to the cause of the accident".

No date has been fixed for his appearance before the judge, a spokeswoman for Galicia's High Court, which is leading the investigation, told the AFP news agency.
 
Reports saying that the driver was on the phone at the time of the crash.
Yep, might be more than one call, but:
"Minutes before the train came off the tracks he received a call on his work phone to get indications on the route he had to take to get to Ferrol. From the content of the conversation and background noise it seems that the driver consulted a map or paper document," a court statement said.

Not safe working by either side.
 
Wow, really surprised the train operator survived that crash.
Kinda makes sense from the video. Most of the deaths were probably where the train was crushed because they didn't hit the parallel section of the concrete wall like the front did. If the train left the track a little later, the whole thing may have slammed against that wall and slid along it, probably remaining mostly 'intact'. Probably a fair fewer deaths as a result. But there was no avoiding how it unfolded really; train was going too fast regardless.
 
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