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[ManaByte]

Microsoft Gaming Chief Doesn’t See a Need for New Xbox Yet

Microsoft Corp.’s video gaming chief Phil Spencer said he doesn’t “feel an imperative” to come out with a major upgrade of its Xbox game console.

www.bloomberg.com

Microsoft Corp.’s video gaming chief Phil Spencer said he doesn’t “feel an imperative” to come out with a major upgrade of its Xbox game console.

“That’s not the feedback we’re getting right now,” Spencer said in an interview with Bloomberg News shortly after the company hosted its annual Xbox Games Showcase on Sunday in Los Angeles. “Right now, we’re pretty set on the hardware we have.”

Twitter insider to claim a Pro is coming in 3….2…1…

 

[FoxMcChief]

Me either. Or a PS5 Pro as well.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Thats because the name of the Series X upgrade isn't the "Pro", it going to be named the Xbox Series XXX

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Interesting.....wonder how things will go if the PS5 Pro rumors are accurate.

 

[dorkimoe]

Starfield 30fps

(Note, i dont want pro refreshes ever again, but dont spout off that it isnt needed when your biggest game cant hit 60fps and dont tell me it was intentional anymore)

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Good

 

[Mister Wolf]

He is right. They need to stop overcomplicating things. If customers want to play their games with better performance then they should just buy a PC.

 

[ManaByte]

Interesting.....wonder how things will go if the PS5 Pro rumors are accurate.

I doubt they are. They’re all coming from one person. It’s clout chasing click bait.

 

[Roxkis_ii]

Starfield 30fps

(Note, i dont want pro refreshes ever again, but dont spout off that it isnt needed when your biggest game cant hit 60fps and dont tell me it was intentional anymore)

To be fair, I don't know if you can blame the console on that one.

 

[Schmick]

What exactly would a Pro give you? Starfield is supposedly CPU bound and the Pro's from the PS4/XBO era did not have upgraded CPU's (albeit slightly faster clock speeds). Its likely Pro version consoles this current gen wouldn't have upgraded CPU's either.

 

[Horseganador]

I was saying the same thing months before announcing the scorpio project - one X, it would be curious to see how it does to have a 4 - 12 - 24 console? tflops.

 

[Bond007]

I agree.
Doesn't mean I believe him.

I think COVID shortages really got this generation off to a slow start due to availability/shortages. The timeline for any PRO console across the board should be pushed further down the line if you are hellbent on releasing one. I'm good shying away from mid-gen releases.

 

[M1chl]

What exactly would a Pro give you? Starfield is supposedly CPU bound and the Pro's from the PS4/XBO era did not have upgraded CPU's (albeit slightly faster clock speeds). Its likely Pro version consoles this current gen wouldn't have upgraded CPU's either.

They can go ways with the CPU, given what is in consoles like ROG Ally or many mini PCs, they are probably more powerful than what is in PS5/XSX, especially when not gimped by power.

 

[Bojanglez]

Translation = We are planning an upgraded console in 2024/5 but we don't want to cannibalise our sales in the meantime

 

[Draugoth]

Insert Starfield at 30 FPS meme here

 

[tusharngf]

That's kinda sad

 

[Neo_game]

What were people expecting him to say they are coming next year ? They just announced 1tb SS for 349$ lol.

 

[cireza]

It would indeed be totally pointless.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

He is right. They need to stop overcomplicating things. If customers want to play their games with better performance then they should just buy a PC.

This^

Since they are releasing first party games day one on PC they view PC as the "pro" option for people who want more customization.

Most people on console just want to turn on a game, crack open a beer and play games they don't care about tinkering with graphic options.

 

[DR3AM]

Too early and unnecessary. I would still buy it Day 1.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Peoples assumption that a Pro model would immediately alleviate any issues with the current console are a bit misguided. Maybe they have internally looked at producing a Pro model but realized that in order to make one that could fix all the current issues it would be too expensive so there is no point. Consoles are still popular due to performance to cost ratio. If a Pro model is suddenly $1,500 just to run Starfield @ 60fps I don't think that justifies it from a manufacturing standpoint.

 

[LordCBH]

I think he’s right. We also don’t need a PS5 Pro.

 

[jroc74]

Things are gonna get interesting if there is a PS5 Pro...

But yeah, some of us said MS already did the mid gen refresh, it's called the Series X.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Inertia to jump onto a mid-gen upgrade will be larger on Xbox because they're dealing with 2 current-gen models and performance targets already.
At the very least, they'll need to wait until the XBOne is fully shelved for new games otherwise they run the risk of getting ignored by developers.

Imagine you're a developer and your game is targeting somewhere between a 1.3TFLops GCN GPU and a 24 TFLOPs RDNA3/4 GPU.

 

[mortal]

Good call. Xbox needs to focus on building up demand with these forthcoming releases.
Plenty of buzz and excitement around several titles, so that's a good sign if any.

A Sereis Pro model at this point in time would be putting the cart before the horse.

 

[Yerd]

Translation: there isn't a profitable path for one yet.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Starfield 30fps

(Note, i dont want pro refreshes ever again, but dont spout off that it isnt needed when your biggest game cant hit 60fps and dont tell me it was intentional anymore)

It could probably hit 60 FPS on the series X but the option just wont be there day one.

More graphic options = more resources and dev time, they have to make trade offs to get games out sooner. That's why the 60 FPS option usually comes after a game is released.

When you look at that starfield showcase and see all the stuff they are cramming into the game I am sure getting 60 FPS on console day one was the least of their worries.

 

[Kacho]

Sounds like "for now" PR

If Sony comes out with a Pro and Xbox doesn't...well, there isn't enough popcorn in the world.

 

[TheShocker]

I want two things from this current gen:

To stop supporting last gen hardware.
No “pro” models of either console, when last gen is still being supported.

Give us two solid years of current gen exclusives and then talk about a refresh.

 

[Darsxx82]

“Right now, we’re pretty set on the hardware we have.”


That is, he is not denying the possibility. The illogical thing would have been for him to say that they are making an Xbox Series Z and thereby invite people to wait and that would affect the sales of the current X/S.

I have no doubt that by the end of 2024 we will see new "pro" consoles. This generation is going to be very, very long.

 

[DenchDeckard]

This is exactly what I wanted to hear. Wait around two to three more years and hit us with a banger.

 

[DJ12]

Microsoft Gaming Chief Doesn’t See a Need for New Xbox Yet

Microsoft Corp.’s video gaming chief Phil Spencer said he doesn’t “feel an imperative” to come out with a major upgrade of its Xbox game console.

www.bloomberg.com

Twitter insider to claim a Pro is coming in 3….2…1…

And yet starfield is only 30fps....

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

Starfield and Redfall is saying otherwise bruv

 

[onQ123]

$349 Series S vs $349 PS5 V2
$499 Series X vs $499 PS5 Pro would be crazy

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/in-the-event-that-ps5-pro-does-release-in-2024-but-there-is-no-new-xbox-series-console-because-there-is-already-series-s-x.1654173/

 

[deriks]

Starfield 30fps

(Note, i dont want pro refreshes ever again, but dont spout off that it isnt needed when your biggest game cant hit 60fps and dont tell me it was intentional anymore)

Since is Bethesda, there's a big chance that is just not good programing or the "director choice" bullshit. I really doubt that a Fallout 4-ish game can't do 60fps on the SX

 

[Putonahappyface]

Translation = We are planning an upgraded console in 2024/5 but we don't want to cannibalise our sales in the meantime

I'm a patient man I can wait.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Going by all his interviews the past several weeks, this sounds like there is a demand issue, thus it would not be profitable for said product at the moment.

But again, his statement was ambiguous and wasn't a hard no. Just in current year. Next year or the year after things change, obviously. Especially when they just released a stealth price increase on their weakest box.

 

[analog_future]

I dunno.

Xbox will be in a really awkward spot if Sony comes out with a PS5 Pro in a year and Xbox has no answer for it.

 

[ProtoByte]

This is exactly what I wanted to hear. Wait around two to three more years and hit us with a banger.

Lol
Spencer tends to be very good at doing that. Telling people want they want to hear.

 

[Kokoloko85]

What would they do with the Series S if they made a Xpro?
Either way, hopefully we get a PS5 Pro

He is right. They need to stop overcomplicating things. If customers want to play their games with better performance then they should just buy a PC.

I enjoyed the PS4 Pro. Made a good difference to the games and it didnt bother the devs too much. Id love a stronger PS5 later in the gen, nice trade in with the PS5 disced version

 

[Wooxsvan]

Starfield 30fps

(Note, i dont want pro refreshes ever again, but dont spout off that it isnt needed when your biggest game cant hit 60fps and dont tell me it was intentional anymore)

I do want pro consoles and if the recent trends continue it makes his statement silly IMO.

 

[JackMcGunns]

Starfield 30fps

(Note, i dont want pro refreshes ever again, but dont spout off that it isnt needed when your biggest game cant hit 60fps and dont tell me it was intentional anymore)

I'm sure that was a choice and it makes sense given the scope of the game and it's long term plan. Skyrim has been played across multiple hardware and over a decade. Running 4K 60fps today would mean severly under-utilized hardware later, but before we note that 30fps is some kind of mistake, lets find out if it's a stable 30fps first, how the game design works at that framerate and if the reason they chose that target (massive open world across start systems) is worth it.

 

[Killer8]

The reee-ing about Starfield being 30fps is amusing. Did people seriously believe that as the generation went on and technology was pushed harder, developers wouldn't need to start lowering the 60fps target down to 30fps? Like every generation before it? The game looks absolutely stunning and is likely pushing the CPU incredibly hard. Were people just not paying attention when Bethesda mentioned there are 1000 planets with that level of fidelity?

Developers are stuck in a catch-22 situation. If they continue targeting 60fps, then people complain that the generation isn't a big enough upgrade, that it's just last gen quality with higher framerates and resolution. Then people go gaga over the visuals in Unreal Engine 5 tech demos - "where are all the next-gen games like this?" they cry. But a demo like The Matrix is only possible with 30fps with the hardware we have. People then bitch and moan that they cannot have their cake and eat it too, ie. that level of fidelity, at 4K, and at 60fps. So the platform holders now have to design Pro consoles to provide that. But then the Pro consoles cost $800+, and very few of the people who bitched and moaned buy them anyway, so the developers still end up targetting the base consoles regardless.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

I doubt they are. They’re all coming from one person. It’s clout chasing click bait.

Not sure how it is considered click bait. That one person has been super accurate.

 

[BrutalTruth_]

I agree, this gen is 3 years in almost.. ride it out for another 2-3.

Then focus on the next gen Xbox

 

[Topher]

 

[Stuart360]

Well last yeah he confirmed they had multiple consoles in development, and i find it hard to believe one of them wont be a Pro model.
Or maybe they dont intend to release it for another couple of years. I'm convinced there will be another 5 ot 6 years before we get next gen consoles.

 

[Fbh]

Starfield is 30fps
Jedi Survivor drops to like 600p in performance mode
A Plague Tale in performance mode makes massive cuts to foliage, LOD and animates NPCs at like 20fps if you aren't standing next to them

Pro consoles aren't a necessity but we are getting more and more games that could definitely make good use of them.
But no company will tell you they are working on a pro model until they are ready to announce it. They want you to buy what they have on offer now, not wait for a pro model in a year or two.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

I think he’s right. We also don’t need a PS5 Pro.

You mean you not we. Don't try to speak for others.

 

[Gudji]

Translation: "We're waiting for sony to put out PS5 PRO first so we can deliver a more powerful machine one year later".

Kidding.