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big ander said:
Exactly. You can't summon stuff at any time. You project your weapons/vehicles etc. right at the beginning of the dream.
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The dude summons a grenade launcher right after that.
 
big ander said:
Exactly. You can't summon stuff at any time. You project your weapons/vehicles etc. right at the beginning of the dream.
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The architect can summon stuff, but that would make the projections even more hostile.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
He was already holding it.

You can see JGL grab the SCAR-L from the back of the van, which is where I'm assuming they kept their weapons.
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yeah, that is still what I think happened.

Remember the movie xXx with Vin Diesel? there was a part at the end where he tells a dude to stop thinking like cops and start thinking playstation. Then he picks up a rocket launcher and shoots it into a room to kill someone. The "dream larger" line made me think of that more than I just pulled this gun out of nowhere.

but I agree with Eames changing his look in dreams hints at him having more control like that, so who knows.
 
What I remember is, he walks up. Says the line while putting his hands down, or into position offscreen. Punchline is he brings his hands up with a grenade launcher.
 
BobsRevenge said:
What I remember is, he walks up. Says the line while putting his hands down, or into position offscreen. Punchline is he brings his hands up with a grenade launcher.
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From the trailer, he already has his hands down at his side and is holding something when he walks up to Arthur.
 
big ander said:
From the trailer, he already has his hands down at his side and is holding something when he walks up to Arthur.
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Well, then that is quite a convenient limitation.
 
Just got back from watching it. First impressions:

the good:
Intelligent and intriguing concept without being too complex to follow and which held my interest throughout.
Fantastic cinematography and FX (loved the folding city - gave me vertigo)
Zimmer's soundtrack was great.

the bad:
I didn't really connect strongly with the film on an emotional level. The characters were just sort of there.
Not sure if it's the editing or framing, but the action sequences weren't great - lacking impact, excitement or tension, especially the stuff at the snow base.
 
I think people are mistaking the architect with the dreamer. The architect is the one who designs the layout of the dreams. Ariadne was the architect for all 3 levels.

The dreamers are the ones who learn the level and actually dream it. Dreamers seem to have the most control over the dream. It's a little ambiguous if other people have control in the dream (eg train in level 1)

The subject(s) iseveryone else who go into the dream. I'm not sure if that descries the whole team, or just Fischer, though.
 
Messypandas said:
didn't Eames dream up the defibrillator whilst in Level 3? I know it was his construct anyway.
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No, it was already there. Really not too out of place--your average modern facility (especially any government and probably military) will probably have a defibrillator.
 
Nazgul_Hunter said:
I think people are mistaking the architect with the dreamer. The architect is the one who designs the layout of the dreams. Ariadne was the architect for all 3 levels.
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She was a physical architect in that she thought up the layout before hand, but the dreamer is still an architect in the sense that they're the ones constructing the level (from memory).

In the very first sequence, the dreamer was both the physical and dreaming architect.

Nazgul_Hunter said:
The subject(s) iseveryone else who go into the dream. I'm not sure if that descries the whole team, or just Fischer, though.
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There's only one subject. Otherwise you'd have battling projections.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
No, it was already there. Really not too out of place--your average modern facility (especially any government and probably military) will probably have a defibrillator.
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Actually, it was designed by Ariadne as a hospital, IIRC.
 
Just read an interesting theory on another forum.
"In the opening moments you get a glimpse of Leo's hand. Specifically, he's wearing his wedding ring. Now, if you follow the rest of the movie keeping an eye out for this you will notice that he only has the ring on when he's in the dream world. At the end of the movie he isn't wearing the ring."
 
Nazgul_Hunter said:
I think people are mistaking the architect with the dreamer. The architect is the one who designs the layout of the dreams. Ariadne was the architect for all 3 levels.

The dreamers are the ones who learn the level and actually dream it. Dreamers seem to have the most control over the dream. It's a little ambiguous if other people have control in the dream (eg train in level 1)

The subject(s) iseveryone else who go into the dream. I'm not sure if that descries the whole team, or just Fischer, though.
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This is a great point. Everyone in the dream together bring their own projections. Cobb brought the train to level 1 but usually they just bring the people who populate the dream. There is an "architect" inside every dream. You can't count on the person you're extracting from to create the environment. You put them into the environment you want them in. If 5 people are in a dream, they are all dreamers, but one of them is unaware he's dreaming, one of them is building the environment and the others are just guides or helpers.
 
Yenrot said:
Just read an interesting theory on another forum.
"In the opening moments you get a glimpse of Leo's hand. Specifically, he's wearing his wedding ring. Now, if you follow the rest of the movie keeping an eye out for this you will notice that he only has the ring on when he's in the dream world. At the end of the movie he isn't wearing the ring."
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I like how you spoilered that for the suspense. :lol
 
Yenrot said:
Just read an interesting theory on another forum.
"In the opening moments you get a glimpse of Leo's hand. Specifically, he's wearing his wedding ring. Now, if you follow the rest of the movie keeping an eye out for this you will notice that he only has the ring on when he's in the dream world. At the end of the movie he isn't wearing the ring."
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ooooh. nice catch. I need to see this again, dammit! :lol
 
I thought any of the guys in can conjure up shit, the danger is that it alerts the subjects subconscious of intruders. Im in the camp that Eames conjured up that gun.
 
Yenrot said:
Just read an interesting theory on another forum.
"In the opening moments you get a glimpse of Leo's hand. Specifically, he's wearing his wedding ring. Now, if you follow the rest of the movie keeping an eye out for this you will notice that he only has the ring on when he's in the dream world. At the end of the movie he isn't wearing the ring."
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Is this true? I remember noticing that there were times he clear did or didn't have a ring on his hand, but I lost track of it, even in my second viewing.
 
PumpkinPie said:
How long does it usually take for films to get a DVD release? I want to see this again.
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Generally 5-6 months now, still. I think The Dark Knight opened this time in 2008 and got a December 9th Blu-Ray/DVD release.
 
Yenrot said:
Just read an interesting theory on another forum.
"In the opening moments you get a glimpse of Leo's hand. Specifically, he's wearing his wedding ring. Now, if you follow the rest of the movie keeping an eye out for this you will notice that he only has the ring on when he's in the dream world. At the end of the movie he isn't wearing the ring."
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That's interesting. I'm of the "it's real" camp, but the "it's a dream" defense here is pretty straightforward -- he's finally let go of Mal, so maybe the ring doesn't matter any more.

Still, I think outside of Christopher Nolan saying, "Listen, idiots, it's a dream." there isn't much that's going to change my mind.
 
I thought it was a dream when I watched it, not for any particular reason it's just the way I interpreted the film. For me, the ending seemed to point in that direction.
 
SickBoy said:
That's interesting. I'm of the "it's real" camp, but the "it's a dream" defense here is pretty straightforward -- he's finally let go of Mal, so maybe the ring doesn't matter any more.

Still, I think outside of Christopher Nolan saying, "Listen, idiots, it's a dream." there isn't much that's going to change my mind.
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If he still had the ring on when he went after Saito then its definitely real. If he doesn't then it doesn't matter after his wife died.
Edit- I mean the wife projection
 
You know what caught my eye in the intro when Cobb met with Saito? The dialogue being translated and the words on the screen had a hazy effect. I thought that was weird and maybe it had something to do with dream/reality. :lol
 
Slate.com's take on the five possible scenarios.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/browbeat/archive/2010/07/20/five-ways-of-looking-at-inception.aspx

READING 1: Saito hired Cobb and co. to plant an idea in Fischer's mind. They succeed, and in the end Cobb really does go home to his kids.

READING 1A: Saito hired Cobb and co. to plant an idea in Fischer's mind, but the ending—everything from the moment Cobb "wakes up" on the plane until the credits roll—is just a dream.

But if he is dreaming, where exactly is Cobb supposed to be? Is he still in limbo? In a deeper realm of limbo? By what mechanism did he get there? (In other words, what happens immediately after the aged Saito reaches for that gun?)

Meanwhile, a commenter on CinemaBlend notes that Cobb appears to wear his wedding ring in all the dream sequences, and only in the dream sequences—but he's not wearing a ring in the final scene. This suggests that Cobb did, indeed, go home to his kids and the real world.

READING 2: Cobb is actually the subject of the inception. At least some—maybe all—of the "real world" scenes are actually dreams.

Dileep Rao, who plays the chemist Yusuf, doesn't buy it: "[You're] saying it's like some sort of crazy-ass psychotherapy session where the whole thing is a constructed narrative of massive complexity only to distract Cobb so that he will achieve his change? I mean sure, you could totally say that that's what it is. In a way, that's what we're doing to Fischer, so it's not unfounded. The problem for me is that you're using negative evidence to support a story that isn't there. I don't know what to say about a character who only exists before and after the movie. ... I mean I don't know where that kind of speculation ends. It's like people who are convinced 9/11 is an inside job."

READING 3: Everything we see is a product of Cobb's subconscious.

Boring

READING 4: Inception is an elaborate metaphor for moviemaking.

True no matter what the story really means.
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It's good analysis and I especially like it because it jives with my take on the movie. There is 50/50 odds that it worked or it didn't. The movie does not give enough evidence to rule out either and it will forever be undetermined. The strongest evidence that the ending was fake is just the overall theme.
 
My own interpretation is that the ending doesn't matter either way. The movie pretty much stuffs your face with the idea that dreams and reality are nearly impossible to distinguish from one another, especially a dream you want to be true. So it really doesn't matter if its all a dream or not, the emotions and changes Cobb went through were real all the same. He's happy now, he's able to be with his kids and forgave himself for what he did to his wife, and thats all that really matters.
Also, there doesn't seem to be on way to interpret it. Nolan seems to have left clues to support both sides of the argument. Still, its fun to think about.
 
Pinko Marx said:
My own interpretation is that the ending doesn't matter either way. The movie pretty much stuffs your face with the idea that dreams and reality are nearly impossible to distinguish from one another, especially a dream you want to be true. So it really doesn't matter if its all a dream or not, the emotions and changes Cobb went through were real all the same. He's happy now, he's able to be with his kids and forgave himself for what he did to his wife, and thats all that really matters.
Also, there doesn't seem to be on way to interpret it. Nolan seems to have left clues to support both sides of the argument. Still, its fun to think about.
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But if it's not real life, is he really living?
 
Maybe he took off/stopped projecting the ring inside the dream because he was finally over his wife because of what he did in limbo?

See?

Ring means nothing!
 
ZephyrFate said:
Which has been disproved!
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How can you disprove "I think therefor I am"? Out of curiousity.

I know that where that came from was disproved (because it was the first step towards proving God exists and there was at least one key logical fallacy), but I haven't heard about that particular statement being disproved.

I mean, I guess I could see it...? I dunno.
 
So this are the 4 ways you get out from a dream....

1. Timer on the machine must run out.
2. You must die.
3. Effect of the sedative must wear off.
4. Get a Kick from the level above.

About the KICK - It's clearly explained that you must receive the kick from the level above and not in the same level.
This happens early in the movie when ARTHUR pushes COBB in the bathtub to get him out.



Heres how the team escape from different levels of dreams.

Getting out of Yusuf or Fischer's dream ??? Level 1 - They just wait so that the timer stops or the effect of sedative wear's off.

Getting out of Arthur's dream level 2 - Yusuf does the kick by falling/hitting the van in water.

Getting out of Eames dream level 3 - Arthur performs the kick by blowing the elevator for a fall.

Getting out of limbo/level 4 - Eames blow's up the fortress for a freefall.


Ok than why Ariadne and Fischer jump from the building ?
It's been told when sedated if somebody dies he/she will go into limbo.
 
gamemadmax said:
So this are the 4 ways you get out from a dream....

1. Timer on the machine must run out.
2. You must die.
3. Effect of the sedative must wear off.
4. Get a Kick from the level above.

About the KICK - It's clearly explained that you must receive the kick from the level above and not in the same level.
This happens early in the movie when ARTHUR pushes COBB in the bathtub to get him out.



Heres how the team escape from different levels of dreams.

Getting out of Yusuf or Fischer's dream ??? Level 1 - They just wait so that the timer stops or the effect of sedative wear's off.

Getting out of Arthur's dream level 2 - Yusuf does the kick by falling/hitting the van in water.

Getting out of Eames dream level 3 - Arthur performs the kick by blowing the elevator for a fall.

Getting out of limbo/level 4 - Eames blow's up the fortress for a freefall.


Ok than why Ariadne and Fischer jump from the building ?
It's been told when sedated if somebody dies he/she will go into limbo.
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I believe what happens is that Fischer dies, so Ariadne and Cobb follow him into limbo. The only way out of limbo is to die, and Ariadne and Fischer jump off the building to commit suicide. The explosion from the level above was merely a warning, much like with the music, however they hadn't prepared any headphones so they had to improvise.

I may be completely wrong, but I think that's what happened. I want to see it again to make sure.
 
gamemadmax said:
So this are the 4 ways you get out from a dream....

1. Timer on the machine must run out.
2. You must die.
3. Effect of the sedative must wear off.
4. Get a Kick from the level above.

About the KICK - It's clearly explained that you must receive the kick from the level above and not in the same level.
This happens early in the movie when ARTHUR pushes COBB in the bathtub to get him out.



Heres how the team escape from different levels of dreams.

Getting out of Yusuf or Fischer's dream ??? Level 1 - They just wait so that the timer stops or the effect of sedative wear's off.

Getting out of Arthur's dream level 2 - Yusuf does the kick by falling/hitting the van in water.

Getting out of Eames dream level 3 - Arthur performs the kick by blowing the elevator for a fall.

Getting out of limbo/level 4 - Eames blow's up the fortress for a freefall.


Ok than why Ariadne and Fischer jump from the building ?
It's been told when sedated if somebody dies he/she will go into limbo.
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I've been asking this question since I saw the movie. No one has really answered it for me. = P
 
Kicks occur ON THE SAME LEVEL and send you UP A LEVEL. That's how it's explained in the film. Ariadne and Fischer experience freefall to go from Level 5 to Level 4. The snow fortress collapses so they go from Level 4 to Level 3. The freefall from the hotel takes them from Level 3 to Level 2. And the van hitting the water takes them from Level 2 to 'reality'.

BUT it can go both ways. Things that happen in the levels above affect the levels below, yes, but in the heist, the kicks only go upwards.
 
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