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Square's Ian Livingstone talks next-gen; hints at always-on, used game-blocking Xbox
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How did you come to this conclusion? You think it'll be a PS+ exclusive feature? Why?
The Incarnation
Member
How many would go out and buy every iteration of Street Fighter or Blazblue knowing that they're stuck with them?
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
If RROD did not destroy the 360, this won´t destroy Durango.
Agent Ironside
Member
Microsoft is already off to a bad start with me, I don't like their attitude. But this would definitely 100% engrave my single system purchase is stone.
People booed at Sony's E3 conference when they said the 3G Vita would be exclusive to AT&T. This will get boos.
I believe it's called wishful thinking.
The Incarnation
Member
I wouldn't say it would completely fail but it would completely annihilate their under 18 market.
If they're going for this broader appeal with Kinect, it really would be counter-productive.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
The fact that he's making a public statement about it kind of suggests he doesn't actually know anything. I can't imagine him leaking something like that knowing for sure that it was true and extremely NDA'd.
Also, I'll eat a (money)hat if MS is explicit about this in their Durango debut. And they'll be non-committal about their options when asked by the press.
Also, I'll eat a (money)hat if MS is explicit about this in their Durango debut. And they'll be non-committal about their options when asked by the press.
It's something I don't think they would even discuss at the reveal. We would just hear about it via articles/interviews.
Baconsammy
Banned
What is that a reference to?
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
While activation codes are shitty, it´s still better and cheaper than no used games. Besides activation codes have been real for a while now. I don´t expect that to stop.
BlockheadBrown
Member
Sony stated that anything that would prevent used games would be based on publisher preference. They're side-stepping the issue. If you want to get mad, get mad at the publisher. I highly doubt exclusivity would be granted on mandatory use of a system-wide no used games policy.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Microsoft wouldn't do this, they dont care about used game sales, they don't even have online passes for their first party games.
Sony seems more likely to do this since they already enforce online passes for their first party titles and they really can't afford the losses from used game sales.
Sony seems more likely to do this since they already enforce online passes for their first party titles and they really can't afford the losses from used game sales.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
Here's what I fear: if NextBox truly have a way to block used games on a system level and the PS4 doesn't, publishers will find a way to achieve it differently on the latter. Simplest example being online passes that aren't available on the PSN store. The reasoning is that a step as daring and drastic as this signify a serious, coordinated push from publishers that I hardly believe one platform holder was spared of.
And *if* I end up being wrong and the PS4 is truly spared of this idiocy, I expect stronger relations between MS and 3rd parties *especially* if sales aren't greatly I impacted by it and general public just deals with it.
And *if* I end up being wrong and the PS4 is truly spared of this idiocy, I expect stronger relations between MS and 3rd parties *especially* if sales aren't greatly I impacted by it and general public just deals with it.
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
I hate to say it but I'm not going to lose any sleep over no used games being able to be sold forward.. If I can take my profile to a friends with the disc and play it'll be ok with me.
I rarely sell my games because I buy the must haves of the year, I probably would not want to sell them anyway.
If it brings even cheaper dlc and launch prices I'm not against it but I have a neutral stance on this matter.. I don't mind either way.
I rarely sell my games because I buy the must haves of the year, I probably would not want to sell them anyway.
If it brings even cheaper dlc and launch prices I'm not against it but I have a neutral stance on this matter.. I don't mind either way.
BlockheadBrown
Member
Sony already has the technology. I'm not going to go searching for links, but it was well talked about.
Goldrusher
Member
Interesting how Sony is already using this technology:
Once you've claimed your Vita-copy - there is no code - the actual disc is tied to your account:
Once you've claimed your Vita-copy - there is no code - the actual disc is tied to your account:
What I think is troubling is that this is not the first we have heard of this. Even EDGE said this is what the nextbox is doing, and they also pretty much nailed the PS4 reveal. I am of course going to wait and see, but it is not something I like hearing from multiple sources now.
I personally never sold a game or bought a used game. So it doesn't affect people like me. I have a feeling used games are most popular in the US, since you have Gamestop.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Well if this is the case, despite really enjoying the original Xbox and 360, built up a decent Gamerscore, I'm out. All these rumours about this console, I haven't heard a positive one yet, something's up.
MalpercioGoC
Member
Would used game-blocking be so bad if the MSRP of new games dropped?
It probably wouldn't happen, but I wouldn't mind not being able to buy used copies if new games were cheaper.
It probably wouldn't happen, but I wouldn't mind not being able to buy used copies if new games were cheaper.
Have you missed the fact that Sony has already announced their position last week?
Sony won't block used games at a system level AND the console won't be required to be online to play games.
BUT if a publisher wants to block used games and ship them with activation codes they will allow that.
Sony is not against used games but they're leaving the option (and the responsibility) to the individual publishers.
So people suggesting that anti-used companies will be closer or even exclusive to MS are totally missing the facts (notwithstading that no one can afford to develop a big project just for a single console in this age).
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
both consoles are technically able to do it.
It's PC like DRM and authenicication but on consoles.
whether they both decide to do it is another matter, no idea
digoutyoursoul
Member
Have you missed the fact that Sony has already announced their position last week?
Sony won't block used games at a system level AND the console won't be required to be online to play games.
BUT if a publisher wants to block used games and ship them with activation codes they will allow that.
Sony is not against used games but they're leaving the option (and the responsibility) to the individual publishers.
So people suggesting that anti-used companies will be closer or even exclusive to MS are totally missing the facts (notwithstading that no one can afford to develop a big project just for a single console in this age).
Not taking any bets on EA
And what if he is just speculating based on what Edge wrote like everyone else? It's just odd to me that a company that in the past hasn't taken any strong anti used games stance all of a sudden not only does so, but in the most drastic and frankly boneheaded fashion. ( Since this would kill them in a lot of markets outside the US. Not to mention it goes against MS's so called philosophy of appealing to "casuals" who are more likely to sell off old games for new ones. ) Makes little sense when they could just as easily utilize online passes like Sony. Guess we will see soon if MS is indeed stupid enough to do such a thing.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Every time I try to convince myself that there's no way MS could be this anti-consumer, I realize what I just said and get kinda sad.
Willy Wanka
my god this avatar owns
I hadn't factored in dedicated servers and I accept that it's probably unfair to group Sony with EA in this case. Unlike Sony, EA do use online passes with single player games eg. off the top of my head, Kingdoms of Amalur, Saboteur and Rage have all had single player content attached to online passes (with expiration dates too). Admittedly that is not blocking the entire game as is being proposed here but it is still an early indicator that EA would very much be behind this proposition. In other words, I don't trust them at all.
AranhaHunter
Banned
Interesting how Sony is already using this technology:
Once you've claimed your Vita-copy - there is no code - the actual disc is tied to your account:
Maybe that's how Sony is going to do it for used games, as soon as you buy your new copy of the game, it'll register with your account/console. If you sell it to gamestop and someone else buys it, that copy will already have been registered and you will be required to go online and get a fresh new activation copy. If you won't need to be online to verify that the copy is not new, then maybe part of the disc is RW? I'm not sure how they would do it if you can be offline. Otherwise a game like Skyrim, or people that never play online games, would be able to bypass this, and I'm not sure Sony wants that.
MS seems like they will just block used games altogether and if your 720 is not online, you won't be able to play anything.
Seems like Sony and MS will just have different strategies to achieve the same ultimate goal of pleasing publishers (and themselves as well).
Beta testing for next generation, like MS is doing with smartglass.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
Oh, I'm fully aware of what you're referring to, it's just that after the recent reveal and subsequent interviews, some execs (namely Yoshida) gave the impression that it won't be utilized... Albeit in an uncharacteristically evasive way, which further fueled my doubts.
MikeE21286
Member
strongly hints
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
With the confirmation that the PS 4 doesn`t require always online i couldn`t care less what MS is doing now.
As a xbox 1 and 360 launch buyer i`m dissatisfied with MS since 2009, and i already know i will go with the Sony this round. They will give me the most powerfull hardware, no anti consumer shit and the best first party output ... so bye bye MS and hello Sony.
And don`t worry Alan Wake 2, my PC will welcome you in the future. It will just take a little bit longer until we can become friends.
As a xbox 1 and 360 launch buyer i`m dissatisfied with MS since 2009, and i already know i will go with the Sony this round. They will give me the most powerfull hardware, no anti consumer shit and the best first party output ... so bye bye MS and hello Sony.
And don`t worry Alan Wake 2, my PC will welcome you in the future. It will just take a little bit longer until we can become friends.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Ian livingstone?
as "In chose your own adventure" Ian Livingstone?
edit: Snap it is. Makes the current direction of the new tomb raider even more baffling.
as "In chose your own adventure" Ian Livingstone?
edit: Snap it is. Makes the current direction of the new tomb raider even more baffling.
I am hoping this is the case. It's just troubling to keep hearing it, especially since the leaks on PS4 were so accurate. But at any rate, yes, we will know soon enough.
But there's nothing to bet.
Ea has just announced that Battlefield 4 will be on PS4, it will be amazing and bla bla.
If Ea wants to block their games, they can do it, they have the option. But they can't force all the other people to do the same. That is Sony's stance and imo is the most reasonable one.
If true...
Will pubs risk losing sales entirely by not releasing games for the PS4 if Durango blocks used games? Will they try to mitigate their perceived losses by making major releases timed exclusives for Durango? Or will they snap out of their creepy obsession over used game sales?
Will pubs risk losing sales entirely by not releasing games for the PS4 if Durango blocks used games? Will they try to mitigate their perceived losses by making major releases timed exclusives for Durango? Or will they snap out of their creepy obsession over used game sales?
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Have you missed the fact that Sony has already announced their position last week?
Sony won't block used games at a system level AND the console won't be required to be online to play games.
BUT if a publisher wants to block used games and ship them with activation codes they will allow that.
Sony is not against used games but they're leaving the option (and the responsibility) to the individual publishers.
So people suggesting that anti-used companies will be closer or even exclusive to MS are totally missing the facts (notwithstading that no one can afford to develop a big project just for a single console in this age).
I believe this was debunked in an earlier thread? Or rather, that this will be no worse than current online passes?
Yoshida's statement that you can play used on PS4 was part of a clumsily translated exchange, so I'm not 100% confident about Sony's stance just yet.
QuicheFontaine
Member
Me too, it's that important to me. I've never owned a Playstation console but I'll certainly be hopping ship if that means I can still swap, trade-in and borrow games.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
When you activate a game, any disc will work.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
Almost certain that PS4 and the next xbox are going to have similar systems of allowing publishers to block user games for their respective titles.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
How is it major developers know barely anything about the next Xbox? That or they meaning that it really is true and they are just playing dumb pretending all they know is what they read like everyone else.
Crazy? More like stupid. Seeing no upside to them doing something like that whatsoever.
No he clearly said that at a system level they won't block used games and it won't be always online.
But publishers are given freedom over this, so they can't talk for everyone, if someone wants to ship their games with activation codes they will be able to do it.
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