Why are there so many people that seem to want this game to fail and never see the light of day?
I don't get it.
I legitimately cannot tell if this post is sarcastic or not.
Help.
Because they REALLY REALLY want to be right about something.
Like a lot.
You're right but don't waste your time here. The cultists are in full force, Chris Roberts is their guru, some people invested hundreds of dollars in this scam so don't expect they'll listen to you.
Just come back to laugh at them when this ponzi finally implodes, which should happen soon (probably before 2018) with less and less people buying virtual ships and cash burning fast.
So they mortgaged their company for a tax rebate ? It doesn't make sense at all but hey, if the guru said so it must be true.
Why the vitriol? Who in this thread do you suspect has spent hundreds of dollars on this project? Lastly, do you understand anything about UK finances? Because they didn't mortgage their whole company.You're right but don't waste your time here. The cultists are in full force, Chris Roberts is their guru, some people invested hundreds of dollars in this scam so don't expect they'll listen to you.
Just come back to laugh at them when this ponzi finally implodes, which should happen soon (probably before 2018) with less and less people buying virtual ships and cash burning fast.
So they mortgaged their company for a tax rebate ? It doesn't make sense at all but hey, if the guru said so it must be true. After all, he never lied. Wait... That's what he did from day one.
What's there to even defend tho? It's a game that's in development, and has been in development for years, is receiving updates, new footage and assets, etc., what exactly is wrong with what they're doing with this game atm?The way I see it, the defenders of this game aren't much different from the people who want the game to fail.
Why are there so many people that seem to want this game to fail and never see the light of day?
I don't get it.
You're right but don't waste your time here. The cultists are in full force, Chris Roberts is their guru, some people invested hundreds of dollars in this scam so don't expect they'll listen to you.
Just come back to laugh at them when this ponzi finally implodes, which should happen soon (probably before 2018) with less and less people buying virtual ships and cash burning fast.
So they mortgaged their company for a tax rebate ? It doesn't make sense at all but hey, if the guru said so it must be true. After all, he never lied. Wait... That's what he did from day one.
You're right but don't waste your time here. The cultists are in full force, Chris Roberts is their guru, some people invested hundreds of dollars in this scam so don't expect they'll listen to you.
Just come back to laugh at them when this ponzi finally implodes, which should happen soon (probably before 2018) with less and less people buying virtual ships and cash burning fast.
So they mortgaged their company for a tax rebate ? It doesn't make sense at all but hey, if the guru said so it must be true. After all, he never lied. Wait... That's what he did from day one.
The way I see it, the defenders of this game aren't much different from the people who want the game to fail.
Why are there so many people that seem to want this game to fail and never see the light of day?
I don't get it.
Since you seem to be unaware of it, the legal entity that is Foundry 42 that is eligible for this rebate is their UK studio only. Their largest one is operating in Manchester iirc, and it'd be a stretch to call that American.This "game" is a giant fucking ponzi scheme.
You never hear about these "clever accounting tricks" during the course of other big games like Uncharted, Gran Tourismo, FIFA, etc, do you?
Why would CIG even be entitled to a UK government rebate? They are American. Hell, even if they were that rebate may never even appear as it gets axed to cover the brexit bill. And they think they can just take it as a given and walk off with the money a year before payday?
I mean who are CIG really? They come from nowhere, suddenly amass $100m of "crowdfundng" to make a game and 6 years after nothing. Who wants to bet $80m+ of that is fake 1's and 0's whilst the other $20m is real money from poor suckers who fell into the ponzi sheme.
We're going to wake up to bernie madoff 2.0 sometime in the next few years and his name will be whoever the hell really controls CIG. bookmark this post.
They don't want the game to fail (there is no game here so no game will fail), they want to stop fools from giving thousands of dollars to crooks and scammers.
Simply because this money would be better used elsewhere, and each time you give money to crooks, it gives other crooks ideas and after a while all you get is a shitty world.
There are tons of nice devs and games you can give your money to, or humanitary causes. Chris Roberts or Bernard Madoff shouldn't be rewarded with millions of dollars.
People are so eager for this game to fail. It's like when they simply updated to a newer version of their engine and it was reported it "Star Citizen scraps engine for new one!!!!".
You're right but don't waste your time here. The cultists are in full force, Chris Roberts is their guru, some people invested hundreds of dollars in this scam so don't expect they'll listen to you.
Just come back to laugh at them when this ponzi finally implodes, which should happen soon (probably before 2018) with less and less people buying virtual ships and cash burning fast.
So they mortgaged their company for a tax rebate ? It doesn't make sense at all but hey, if the guru said so it must be true. After all, he never lied. Wait... That's what he did from day one.
You're right but don't waste your time here. The cultists are in full force, Chris Roberts is their guru, some people invested hundreds of dollars in this scam so don't expect they'll listen to you.
Just come back to laugh at them when this ponzi finally implodes, which should happen soon (probably before 2018) with less and less people buying virtual ships and cash burning fast.
So they mortgaged their company for a tax rebate ? It doesn't make sense at all but hey, if the guru said so it must be true. After all, he never lied. Wait... That's what he did from day one.
You're right but don't waste your time here. The cultists are in full force, Chris Roberts is their guru, some people invested hundreds of dollars in this scam so don't expect they'll listen to you.
Just come back to laugh at them when this ponzi finally implodes, which should happen soon (probably before 2018) with less and less people buying virtual ships and cash burning fast.
So they mortgaged their company for a tax rebate ? It doesn't make sense at all but hey, if the guru said so it must be true. After all, he never lied. Wait... That's what he did from day one.
The way I see it, the defenders of this game aren't much different from the people who want the game to fail.
They don't want the game to fail (there is no game here so no game will fail), they want to stop fools from giving thousands of dollars to crooks and scammers.
Simply because this money would be better used elsewhere, and each time you give money to crooks, it gives other crooks ideas and after a while all you get is a shitty world.
There are tons of nice devs and games you can give your money to, or humanitary causes. Chris Roberts or Bernard Madoff shouldn't be rewarded with millions of dollars.
You keep using the phrase "Ponzi Scheme" I don't think it means what you think it means.
You're right but don't waste your time here. The cultists are in full force, Chris Roberts is their guru, some people invested hundreds of dollars in this scam so don't expect they'll listen to you.
Just come back to laugh at them when this ponzi finally implodes, which should happen soon (probably before 2018) with less and less people buying virtual ships and cash burning fast.
So they mortgaged their company for a tax rebate ? It doesn't make sense at all but hey, if the guru said so it must be true. After all, he never lied. Wait... That's what he did from day one.
It's been said many times before but the amount of time the game has been in development so far is not uncalled for with type of game. It's been what, 4 years? MMOs typically take more than that and that's without them being one of the most ambitious games to date that aims to push the boundaries for immersion and graphics.
Oh I perfectly know what it means. Star Citizen is a kind of Ponzi Scheme since what you give to the first customers (videos showing features to come which will never actually come) are paid with the money from the new customers (new virtual ships bought).
That's the point in a Ponzi Scheme : you pay the first customers with the money you get from new customers. Here, "paying" is just making them dream with videos and posts, but that's pretty close. It's not a full Ponzi Scheme, but that's pretty close. Madoff would be proud.
Why are there so many people that seem to want this game to fail and never see the light of day?
I don't get it.
More CIG propaganda.
You'd think it was a L for him but he'll just spin it into something else and believe everything he does in his crazy head.and another L for mr smart.
This response has so many Red flags, I don't even know where to begin. So, right off the top of my head...
Look at the 2016 filing, and it is 100% clear that the tax credits aren't even going to fund 2 months of operations! I wrote an analysis of their 2016 filings which shows the tax credit amounts. Quote: ”They are now taking the tax credits awarded by the government for software companies in the region. For 2016, they took £3.3m ($4.1m) allowance, and with the £3.1m ($3.9m) taken in 2015, brings the total tax credit to £6.4m ($8.1m) thus far. Due to how this is calculated (after expenses), this tax credit adds approximately £6.4m ($8.1m) to the projects P&L calculations.”
Ortwin's statement that they took a loan (we know have an idea of the amounts) against such a SMALL tax credit, should be alarming that they would even need to. If after getting $150m + investor money + loans, you also need to pledge ALL assets for a loan against a measly tax credit, that's a problem.
If this was just about the tax credits, why then is it not the ONLY collateral (p4 Section 4.2.9) listed? Obviously the bank felt it was a RISKY loan because they could fold BEFORE being eligible for the tax credit which isn't due until the Fall. So they secured ALL their assets.
Also, Ortwin is the same guy who has been involved in various venture collapses, and complete loss of investor money; mostly in Germany. I wrote about this in my Money Laundromat blog a few months ago.
Because they have no interest in the game and just want to see some drama. This happens with literally every big game.
They don't want the game to fail (there is no game here so no game will fail), they want to stop fools from giving thousands of dollars to crooks and scammers.
Simply because this money would be better used elsewhere, and each time you give money to crooks, it gives other crooks ideas and after a while all you get is a shitty world.
There are tons of nice devs and games you can give your money to, or humanitary causes. Chris Roberts or Bernard Madoff shouldn't be rewarded with millions of dollars.
What do you call this?, or this?.They don't want the game to fail (there is no game here so no game will fail)
Genuinely try substantiating that claim.they want to stop fools from giving thousands of dollars to crooks and scammers.
This is assuming that everyone considers the devs who're developing the game and providing frequent updates on various features to be crooks...Simply because this money would be better used elsewhere, and each time you give money to crooks, it gives other crooks ideas and after a while all you get is a shitty world.
Crowdfunding a project and crowdfunding humanitarian causes aren't mutually exclusive.There are tons of nice devs and games you can give your money to, or humanitary causes. Chris Roberts or Bernard Madoff shouldn't be rewarded with millions of dollars.
I'd be pretty interested in seeing how many of the 31 points of the test they qualify for in order to get the VGDC. (not because I think they are doing anything illegitimate, but mainly because there seem to be some core ones about the "british-ness" of the game and i'm interested in how a game set across space satisfies the criteria)
That post was a sarcasmEverything is CIG propaganda....i don't get it.
You guys are super transparent. There's skepticism and then what you guys are saying without evidence.
I know it happens with every other game but this is on a different level. You have people who clearly have no idea what they're talking about pretending to be lawyers and accountants digging for stuff that doesn't exist. You can't help but think that all the time these people dig around for this stuff could be better spent on more productive activities or even spent playing the games they enjoy.
Have you ever stopped to think that these people might be putting money into the game because they genuinely enjoy it? "Nice devs"... Give me a break. People spend their money on what they want to, it's none of your or anybody else's business.
Everything is CIG propaganda....i don't get it.
You guys are super transparent. There's skepticism and then what you guys are saying without evidence.
They have Gary Oldman and Mark Strong as actors
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That post was a sarcasm
I'm meant CGI propaganda, because I can't tell if the in-game faces are real or not.
Anyone who feels like arguing krisspolls in good faith should just take a dip into his post history and save themselves a ton of time.
Oh I perfectly know what it means. Star Citizen is a kind of Ponzi Scheme since what you give to the first customers (videos showing features to come which will never actually come) are paid with the money from the new customers (new virtual ships bought).
That's the point in a Ponzi Scheme : you pay the first customers with the money you get from new customers. Here, "paying" is just making them dream with videos and posts. It's not a full Ponzi Scheme, but that's pretty close. Madoff would be proud.
You're right but don't waste your time here. The cultists are in full force, Chris Roberts is their guru, some people invested hundreds of dollars in this scam so don't expect they'll listen to you.
Just come back to laugh at them when this ponzi finally implodes, which should happen soon (probably before 2018) with less and less people buying virtual ships and cash burning fast.
So they mortgaged their company for a tax rebate ? It doesn't make sense at all but hey, if the guru said so it must be true. After all, he never lied. Wait... That's what he did from day one.
The way I see it, the defenders of this game aren't much different from the people who want the game to fail.
Anyone who feels like arguing krisspolls in good faith should just take a dip into his post history and save themselves a ton of time.
You're right but don't waste your time here. The cultists are in full force, Chris Roberts is their guru, some people invested hundreds of dollars in this scam so don't expect they'll listen to you.
Just come back to laugh at them when this ponzi finally implodes, which should happen soon (probably before 2018) with less and less people buying virtual ships and cash burning fast.
So they mortgaged their company for a tax rebate ? It doesn't make sense at all but hey, if the guru said so it must be true. After all, he never lied. Wait... That's what he did from day one.
Is this a meme post replying to a meme post
Someone remind me if this is real life
You have a fucking shenmue 3 avatar, don't come here calling people cultists.
Why are there so many people that seem to want this game to fail and never see the light of day?
I don't get it.
You have a fucking shenmue 3 avatar, don't come here calling people cultists.
Amazing amount of shit throwing surrounding this whole project. Not shocking considering it is being circled by Derek Smart and GG cronies.
Elaborate please.