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[Alexios]

I'm hoping this game actually turns the corner one day and starts to become a concrete reality rather than a consistently broken alpha, but right now I tend to agreement with your assessment. I paid $45 for the game a few years ago and I pop in every now and then to see if it has improved enough to actually spend some time playing only to be disappointed every time. Sucks because this is exactly the type of game that I've been wanting for as long as I can remember. I just don't understand why they can't build the foundation of a finished game first and then build on it. I think you are right, the answer is in the business model.

Edit...

Alexios you know I value your opinion my man. What's your perspective on my take here since you gave me the laugh emoji?

The game is obviously intended to be gaas or whatever you wanna call it so no, they don't have to intentionally never arrive to a launch with it if they don't want to move on from it. It's a persistent universe of unprecedented scope, obviously not intended to be played for a year or two before a sequel has to start forming. And obviously the money will stop flowing if they really don't keep improving it to a state where you (and they) can eventually call it a launched title that then continues being expanded with ongoing support so it's not somehow enabling them to be more profitable by intentionally never delivering. Also that would be a scam for real and they'd be having people and whole studios that know their goal is to not meet any goal. Whether they release or it crashes and burns is a different matter, it's clearly not the intention of anyone at the various studios to just never release, nor do they sit there doing nothing or working 8 hours a day or whatever towards nothing, that would be far more exhausting than trying and failing and shutting down and moving to other endeavors. The dude doesn't need to run a scam and pay all these people and studios to be rich.

I'm not a fan (wasn't even a fan of Freelancer, I think StarLancer was the last great from him) and have already sold my account and anyone who has put money into it can probably sell theirs if they really have a problem with it, either for profit or not much of a loss depending on what they have. Just because as a player the demos and alphas and whatever weren't what I wanted so I opted out with the available options doesn't mean it's a scam or the people who remain "all in" idiots who are being scammed (whether it releases or crashes and burns as games/studios have before). And once again, all the people who have paid now are also a portion of the fanbase that is not going to be paying any more post launch (as it's not a subscription game) so all this money isn't just development funds but also maintainance for when it's live and part of the profits too. If they end up putting it all in development then it's most certainly a loss for them (and for king scammer Chris who apparently does this for his own profit but somehow is spending all that money on development too and sharing it with ~1000 employees and contractors and all their studio expenses).

 

[Panajev2001a]

it's not somehow enabling them to be more profitable by intentionally never delivering.

It has worked for a lot of years and it is not stopping so… says you…

 

[Hudo]

Yeah they made so many great games after that, it was a blessing.

The alternative would've been for Digital Anvil to close down; they were running out of money before Microsoft accepted to buy them because Chris Roberts just couldn't focus and kept trying to include more and more stuff, which is what he's doing now as well.

 

[Alexios]

It has worked for a lot of years and it is not stopping so… says you…

No, it has not, because it's not what's happening. Duh.

The alternative would've been for Digital Anvil to close down; they were running out of money before Microsoft accepted to buy them because Chris Roberts just couldn't focus and kept trying to include more and more stuff, which is what he's doing now as well.

Okay, and they closed down after one post-Freelancer game nobody remembers. Wow.

 

[Hudo]

No, it has not, because it's not what's happening. Duh.

Okay, and they closed down after one post-Freelancer game nobody remembers. Wow.

So we got Freelancer, at least. Better than not getting it. I don't get your point. Yes, Microsoft then mismanaged their PC-focused first-party studios because of their Xbox push.

 

[Alexios]

So we got Freelancer, at least. Better than not getting it. I don't get your point. Yes, Microsoft then mismanaged their PC-focused first-party studios because of their Xbox push.

Yes, we got Chris' game that he was still involved with then nothing notable after that and then they shut down. I don't get your point of how Microsoft saved the studio by axing him when they bought it.

 

[Drizzlehell]

Download and play it, like we all did?

BTW: Server Meshing is a bigger news right? Is this really working now?

I actually did make the mistake of throwing money away on a starter pack for this crap. It's not worth it. Doubt that it ever will be.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

This game is the abusive husband and the fans are the battered wives. "But I love him" "he'll change!"
Didn't one of you battered wives claim Squadron 42 would get a release date at this con?

 

[Hudo]

Yes, we got Chris' game that he was still involved with then nothing notable after that and then they shut down. I don't get your point of how Microsoft saved the studio by axing him when they bought it.

Because Digital Anvil were running out of money since Chris Roberts couldn't finish the game. So if no one had swept in to buy them out or similar, Digital Anvil would've closed down and we wouldn't have gotten Freelancer... or a very rushed out version of Freelancer with a lot of gameplay systems that weren't finished.

They bought Digital Anvil, made Chris Roberts leave, removed the bloat and refocused the game and that became the Freelancer we now have.

That they closed down/fucked up their PC studios afterwards when they were pushing the 360 with Don Mattrick, yes, that was shit as well. But at least we got Freelancer.

 

[Alexios]

The Freelancer we now have which Chris is largely responsible for having is indeed a very rushed out version of Freelancer with a lot of gameplay systems that weren't finished and thus removed. But you choose to call that refocused and removed bloat. Same thing.

Again, not a fan of his, and don't like the fundamentals of Freelancer anyway, how it's a mouse point & click and spam hotkeys game, more like playing Diablo than anything with real space combat like his past games. But it had its moments at times and was okay.

 

[Topher]

The game is obviously intended to be gaas or whatever you wanna call it so no, they don't have to intentionally never arrive to a launch with it if they don't want to move on from it. It's a persistent universe of unprecedented scope, obviously not intended to be played for a year or two before a sequel has to start forming. And obviously the money will stop flowing if they really don't keep improving it to a state where you (and they) can eventually call it a launched title that then continues being expanded with ongoing support so it's not somehow enabling them to be more profitable by intentionally never delivering. Also that would be a scam for real and they'd be having people and whole studios that know their goal is to not meet any goal. Whether they release or it crashes and burns is a different matter, it's clearly not the intention of anyone at the various studios to just never release, nor do they sit there doing nothing or working 8 hours a day or whatever towards nothing, that would be far more exhausting than trying and failing and shutting down and moving to other endeavors. The dude doesn't need to run a scam and pay all these people and studios to be rich.

I'm not a fan (wasn't even a fan of Freelancer, I think StarLancer was the last great from him) and have already sold my account and anyone who has put money into it can probably sell theirs if they really have a problem with it, either for profit or not much of a loss depending on what they have.

Appreciate your perspective on these things as always.

 

[Spyxos]

From Starcitizen reddit.

Every CitizenCon from 2016 to 2022, based on what features/ships were announced, and if they are in game now, as well as "faked" demos etc. For all those new to the CitizenCon experience. Also, remember to bathe before attending the convention, please.

Spoiler: Every CitizenCon info

It was received generally well and I need something to do in between cargo missions so I went over every Citizen Con since 2016 in preparation for the upcoming citizen con. This will include Every ship announcement, feature announcement, with links to promises kept/broken (Even the sand worm). I noticed people said it was biased one way or another, so I will try to keep both the optimists/pessimists happy this time and provide timestamps to each feature mentioned.

2016 - Major Features/announcements

• Procedural Planets v2 - - Implemented, to an extend. Promises were kept and broken. Initial presentation promised 60 FPS and what was shown was in game. However, the base building/procedural generation is present in current game, just not finished. However, Sandworm, the mission, and the entire presentation was "faked" and no mission is as in depth currently.
• Spectrum - Implemented full feature - Announcement of spectrum and organizations forming. Not much to delve deeper here - - Segment about 20minutes . One not implemented promise is spectrum in game, in game overlay, and additional customization for orgs (ingame)
• 2.6 - Star Marine addition, AC update, Crusader map, lobby -All completed
• New Flight Model - Completed/ we have a new new one Master Modes now
• Camera update for 3rd person - Implemented
• Announcements for 3.0-4.0 - Trading, Cargo, Piracy, Merc, Bounty Hunter, Mining, Refining/Processing, Quantum Interdiction, Refueling, rescue- All implemented, but years later than expected (with refueling 6 years later).
• not implemented - Escort, Additional Solar Systems, ship repair (incoming soon apparently), Farming, Exploration and discovery, Science and research

SQ 42 - Going to be its own segment as I was informed a good portion of you give 0 fucks about it, so you can skip these portions. -

• 2016-2017 Release date promised, along with spiel about what is going to be in it. We don't know what is finished from the list, but of the list that is intriguing is
• 40 distinct ships, 1255 pages of dialogue, AI with 24hr schedules
• Every mission has several ways to complete it, that will affect how characters interact with you in SC.
• They announce they will develop pathfinding logic - still in progress as of last SQ42 monthly update, animation integration - still in progress based on last SQ42 update, Improved combat logic- in progress, Mission system integration - Done as of 2021, Enhanced Flight AI - Improved significantly based on reports, still worked on
• OCS -Implemented
• All features at greybox or better- Controversial statement as indicated by previous post, you decide

Ships Announced

• Polaris - In concept still, slated for production next year - 7 years

Ships scheduled

• Ursa, Dragonfly, Caterpillar, Constellation Aquila, Cutlass Red/Blue, Hull C, Prospector, 85x, Taurus, Phoenix, Terrapin, Harbinger, Sentinel, Reclaimer, Carrack, 890 Jump, Reliant - released, though some years after.
• Not in game - BMM, Orion, Crucible

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2017 - - 7 hours, much longer

Major Features/announcements

• Land Claim - Not Implemented, announced with Pioneer
• Realistic Look - - Half Implemented, its in game, but not as good as shown here.
• Ability to walk on slopes without dying - - Implemented, now you rarely die 20+min segment on slopes.
• Real Mirrors will be implemented and not impact FPS - - Just need "a little bit of work"
• Lore segment - All in game via galactapedia
• No cutscenes when traveling to planets - Yes, they never broke this promise
• All Systems will be different, not copy paste, from Hurston to Crusader - Fulfilled.
• Showcased the head crab monsters on Lorville "will have a lot of them running around- Not implemented - Faked -

SQ 42

• Development is "going well" 2018 release date.

Ships Announced

• Intel Sabre Raven - In game -
• Pioneer with land Claim - https://youtu.be/eu71Dcpf3c0?si=EBXhRr93EsIqDo1G&t=18060 - Not implemented - Will come with on the fly resupply, landing platform, manufacturing facility, able to build "a car" and drivable vehicles.

Ships scheduled

• No Schedule this year as focus on bringing ships to market.

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2018 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxjZUKL8ByQ&ab_channel=IntrepidDawnStudios - Full Show 9 hours

• Tried to charge 20$ to watch the stream - Huge backlash on this sub, backed down from the plan

Major Features/announcements

• More Tech updates
• Finished most core tech, getting it out - https://www.youtube.com/live/OxjZUKL8ByQ?si=-cDRwpqJ5qWWCB13&t=1161
• Items will be persistent, can store them in ship, house, hangar - https://www.youtube.com/live/OxjZUKL8ByQ?si=YvgYiZ2Fy6-sMGKj&t=1617 - I say half implemented, mainly due to house/hangar not being in game.
• Closet interaction/Apartment - https://www.youtube.com/live/OxjZUKL8ByQ?si=WKkohMbT4ouOxFvr&t=2034 - As far as I remember, I don't recall closets being a thing, but I honestly never opened one.
• AI go about their lives, eating, sweeping, sleeping - Implemented -But y'all know the state of them and showcased the Bartender AI first time - https://www.youtube.com/live/OxjZUKL8ByQ?si=bYYrxHC_Mr6Z9CRo&t=2317 - Will be the core thing they need to finish all AI.
• Player loadout - In game - Inventory, stores, etc
• Trains that run on a schedule and multiple stops - Implemented, the whole wait time and stuff
• Law and Order system - https://www.youtube.com/live/OxjZUKL8ByQ?si=bPPym6eA8Scsq-yE&t=3326 - Cops check your ID and such - Half implemented imo. They do check, but not as interactive as demo.
• Large Hangar - Implemented- the hangar in the demo is the big one you get when you call your ship. However, personal hangars and AIs in the hangars to fix your ship not in game
• Share Mission/same mission as another player - Implemented, as seen with JT, wake of disaster, etc
• Visceral Flying panel - https://www.youtube.com/live/OxjZUKL8ByQ?si=i5tKUsCHVSRTzpF9&t=8491 - Master Modes changes this whole segment and make it worthless. However, they talk about ship design tools that will improve their ship building speed by several factors, says only a few weeks per ship once done.
• Lorville -all stuff mentioned in game about Lorville, minus Fauna.
• Char creation - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxjZUKL8ByQ&ab_channel=IntrepidDawnStudios - Mostly implemented, still being worked on
• Asteriods, volumetric fog, gas, etc- In progress, not all in, but asteroid fields and stuff are.
• Hangar Module - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxjZUKL8ByQ&ab_channel=IntrepidDawnStudios - Implemented, then unimplemented.
• Inventory/persistence - Implemented
• Server Meshing - Not implemented - But Soon tm - https://www.youtube.com/live/OxjZUKL8ByQ?si=fwuGqBURgeLsRWSV&t=30355 , will allow thousands of players on Hurston. Server Meshing is the most important feature followed by full persistence - He says "Not gonna give a date", but hopefully soon.
• Road to Release Roadmap announced - Discontinued last year due to backlash, top post on this subreddit about how only 3/18 promises completed each quarter. Y'all remember the controversy. SQ 42 - https://www.youtube.com/live/OxjZUKL8ByQ?si=WleL4WcXclIeXskP&t=30841
• Closing down development, almost closed out, no more technical hurdles. - https://www.youtube.com/live/OxjZUKL8ByQ?si=beNmAoSKtLa7-VQ6&t=30742 - Going "really well, really happy with it" "Easy to close out"
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxjZUKL8ByQ&ab_channel=IntrepidDawnStudios - Narrative component/char creator, hair is still being worked on 5 years later.

Ships Announced

• Kraken - Not implemented - https://www.youtube.com/live/OxjZUKL8ByQ?si=V79d5jTSYxw-UTfi&t=1923 - Notes on the Kraken - Strip Mall,
• Valk - https://www.youtube.com/live/OxjZUKL8ByQ?si=H1GvZW-bgDSepG5C&t=5338 - In game

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2019 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdN...0atMb1EAyYgggX5DyfUzd4&ab_channel=StarCitizen - Playlist this time.

Major Features/announcements

• Coffee Machine on ship - https://youtu.be/wdNd2KNjJ78?si=BJoPbqiR5NfP8-ja&t=347 - Implemented.
• Beautiful shadows/ flying around microtech moon - https://youtu.be/wdNd2KNjJ78?si=9oPggtd7R_IYLlms&t=969 - Implemented
• Sexy Cortana/Alexa Microtech AI guide - https://youtu.be/wdNd2KNjJ78?si=-rPifFW6HW0KMV9v&t=1794 - NOT IMPLEMENTED WHERE IS SHE. I demand the microtech cortana. URGGGGHGHG
• Have to have the right suits, clothes, badges, etc in certain environments, NPCS react to clothing, you can't pilot ships in certain outfits - https://youtu.be/wdNd2KNjJ78?si=_WyxKBq1hdZwFjPc&t=1934 - Not implemented.
• Economic Model - Not Implemented - Really hyped it up. - https://youtu.be/_8VFw1F-olQ?si=jcqTSofec5KPI4_h&t=670 almost hour segment. None of it done in game. Build factories, shops, stores, etc. Promises the most complex game economy ever created and will ever be created. "It will be more complex than real life" and impossible to exploit.
• Ship Shutter system - not in game
• Theatres of War - Will be released in "weeks" - Not implemented due to tech implementations and lag. - https://youtu.be/Xr3PATgOEmo?si=rY4bdoZqLcHyZdid&t=927 . Their worst prediction, ever. Unique in the fact that several devs and CR parroted the fact it was done.
• Ship purchases -Implemented
• Ship Rentals - Implemented
• OCS/QoL - Implemented
• Server Meshing update, working on server side, almost done - https://youtu.be/-tB3cark5lA?si=j4eufpirxcIpel5E&t=698
• Full Universe Persistence - We have PES recently - 4 years later
• Outposts on microtech where you need an ID card to access, Mission briefing, etc - https://youtu.be/-tB3cark5lA?si=XedRAxIYCmN8NaUl&t=982 - Very cool segment - Might be faked as not in game yet.
• Cutter tech, can cut vents, doors, etc - https://youtu.be/-tB3cark5lA?si=F4zQrP2wemzRWeTM&t=1363 -100% fake, as they are still working on it.
• Stealth Gameplay + Missions, able to silent takedowns, change uniforms Hitman 47 like - https://youtu.be/-tB3cark5lA?si=bdP8iHBeQAdhLzqY&t=1755 - 100% faked, as we now know.
• Environmental Suits - https://youtu.be/-tB3cark5lA?si=aSk1CmrN1a0ZeemM&t=1992 - Visor frost up implemented, but all suits are the same currently, mentioned how environment matters suit to suit.
• Tarp pulling/Cloth physics - https://youtu.be/-tB3cark5lA?si=KHbdMDi8Jltbz5mh&t=2179 -100% faked, as we now know. Covering up vehicles protect them from environment - not a thing currently.
• Jump Points to Pyro - https://youtu.be/-tB3cark5lA?si=o7wtIc6pog0s1uZq&t=3298 - Now in PTU, but it shows it working here. So obviously faked.
• New Babbage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seh...YgggX5DyfUzd4&index=10&ab_channel=StarCitizen - Implemented, but not all promises. Mostly corporate ID, Trash AI (yes, picking up trash AI) SQ 42

Ships Announced

• Carrack - https://youtu.be/-tB3cark5lA?si=v5AmLeULOSdQYOf0&t=3752 - In Game
• Pisces - In game
• Railen teased - https://youtu.be/A1m2ETYj5DQ?si=ufU01lsIKso91c5A&t=2377
• Crime system/prison - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Z...yYgggX5DyfUzd4&index=4&ab_channel=StarCitizen - Implemented.
• Armor - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd4...yYgggX5DyfUzd4&index=5&ab_channel=StarCitizen - Not Implemented, they mentioned sub components, armor matter, radar, life support, etc.
• Ship sounds rework - Done

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2020

• CitCon skipped, Covid, instead series of Pyro videos and invidual videos
• Promises to use time to finish prior promises

Major Features/announcements

• Creature features - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqb8DQpNHiM&ab_channel=StarCitizen - Not implemented, but the designs are cool, especially the Yeti of Microtech.

SQ 42

• Single location of SQ42 shown, last time real footage shown.

Ships Announced

• Perseus - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF8V2NH3g1Y&ab_channel=StarCitizen -Not released

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2021 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmf...2KG9U_7u7owS_zdagfcJEm&ab_channel=StarCitizen - Playlist, shortest citizencon since 2016. It returns with much hype and fanfare, biggest fundraising year ever, devs hyped about how much money they are getting. Largest new citizen sign ups, It was the most hype period of SC history. I cannot stress how much money they made and how much hype this year was.

Major Features/announcements

• PYRO - https://youtu.be/kZWT4aNY6lU?si=idSeFlvf0G4eibCz&t=139 - Much hype, relevant for now, talks about clinics, drugs, crime, etc. - Pyro Sizzle reel - https://youtu.be/kZWT4aNY6lU?si=kQ20dODwF-Uy59ja&t=2173
• Pyro will be out EoY or early 2022 at the latest
• Vulkan showcase - Still in progress
• Gen 12 Rendering - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQk...7owS_zdagfcJEm&index=5&ab_channel=StarCitizen - Still being worked on, noticable news is an artic rabbit on Microtech and water/rivers.
• Dynamic weather - Implemented.
• Server Meshing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSz...7owS_zdagfcJEm&index=6&ab_channel=StarCitizen - Hard to do they found out, but they are making good progress, any day now. Mentions replication layer - 3.21 now and humorously, their database vendor - Remember the news on the shitshow last month, kinda funny in hindsight.
• Hiring NPCs - https://youtu.be/LxXy8HF1t70?si=BexIe2xy7hwzPNDB&t=1498 - They never said a date, so not too harsh on them here.
• Dynamic events- Nine Tails hunt you, npc pirates, etc. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxX...7owS_zdagfcJEm&index=8&ab_channel=StarCitizen - If you sell too much in one place, it would drive npc traders away, and how AI reacts to players. You can force all AI to sit in a zone, etc. -Not implemented, though they said it was gonna be in game soon, during that time frame I realized there was NO WAY they'd implemented this fast. This is like next gen tech. I'm sorry I'm putting my opinion here, but I feel the devs are TOO optimistic, like holy shit, all of this tech is cool as fuck, but this time table for this AI system is too optimistic. This feels like its 10x more complex than server meshing.

SQ 42

• None

Ships Announced *400i

• Tavari ship teased - No idea which it was
• BMM - https://youtu.be/gC7onjXyex0?si=t_w2jkIYvPjmWmjk&t=3801 - Worked on, RIP.
• Teased vehicles - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC7...7owS_zdagfcJEm&index=3&ab_channel=StarCitizen - I recognized all but C

Ships scheduled

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2022 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-XotXbBXs4&ab_channel=StarCitizen long one again

• First one where CR appears a lot in (been absent from speaking roles in depth last few)

Major Features/announcements

• Water/Swimming almost done - https://youtu.be/z-XotXbBXs4?si=aLfdD8rL78q0s_Dr&t=1293
• Hangars, Executive wings, etc- https://youtu.be/z-XotXbBXs4?si=w_DWym6zg_I60y9t&t=4723 -Not implemented, but recent persistent hangar vid.
• Lorville rework - https://youtu.be/z-XotXbBXs4?si=LRYojDTrEciPZNF_&t=7390 - Done
• Pressurized rooms, turn off gravity in ships, vent ship rooms, fire, etc - https://youtu.be/z-XotXbBXs4?si=XjH8Wcjoe94nX5Ck&t=8412 - Really cool tech demo, not in game currently but they said 4.x after pyro.
• Mantling Jump, etc - https://youtu.be/z-XotXbBXs4?si=61gU94J8Eke7CG5v&t=12785 -Implemented this patch
• Armor thing mentioned years ago actually done, just not put on live yet - https://youtu.be/z-XotXbBXs4?si=6bBv_Tou67bH6KdN&t=13223 -Not being able to use ships in certain armor, temp, life support, etc.
• EVA 2.0 - https://youtu.be/z-XotXbBXs4?si=YcEMWBlcmUev8d52&t=13335 - Not implemented, but will after 4.0.
• Trolleys - https://youtu.be/z-XotXbBXs4?si=3iVh3FQe85hvejGe&t=14007 -Not implemented, 4.x
• Quantum Boost - https://youtu.be/z-XotXbBXs4?si=8JkbF-mWFZ81IvMm&t=15175 - Can QT whereever
• New UI, throughout the video you see it - already in SQ42 apparently, but not on live until 4.x
• Minimap/scan minimap for FPS - https://youtu.be/z-XotXbBXs4?si=lW7LsVRB2J2NAIIC&t=15662 - Not in game, but in SQ42, will come out in 4.x apparently
• Better AI soon - they say this every year, but more emphasis on soon - https://youtu.be/z-XotXbBXs4?si=FZ9u5KFaKDTyZf-k&t=16803 - NOTE - They have showcased stealth 3 times, over the past 7 years. Still not in game, take it with heavy dose of salt.
• Stat system (leveling up RPG like), can have more STR carry more, Agility ADS faster, etc - https://youtu.be/z-XotXbBXs4?si=rj_pY8qVFplV9tOB&t=17410
• New UI showcase - https://youtu.be/z-XotXbBXs4?si=G3sYnhmmpeQ-h_Xf&t=18046

SQ 42

• More info on SQ42 for the first time in a while, og SQ42, did not fit CR vision in his mind, will not release until it match perfectly with his vision. - https://youtu.be/z-XotXbBXs4?si=wxlqZOr2liyE4x-F&t=18540

Ships Announced

Closing thoughts/fun stats

• 2016 had the most broken/unreleased/lied promises.
• Ship from announced to release has gotten better over the years, but hilariously, 2016 had the most not shipped ships still to this day.
• There is a noticeable reduction in "lies" or "fake" demos after 2019, there are still some, but to a lesser degree.
• The years with the most "lies"/"fake demos" that are still not in the game and team admitted to not working on them were 2016 and 2019. With 2019 actually being worst due to the gamut of promises/showcases.
• If ONLY Chris Roberts announces or say something about a feature or timeline, only 17% of them are in game now. Based upon 100~ statements. If Chris Roberts + a dev says similar things, it goes up to the mid 70%.
• Every Chris Robert Timeline from 2016/2017, was 5-6 years off. Chris Roberts 2021 was 2 years off, with many features now released or soon to be released from 2021. So 2-3 years. He's gotten better.
• If multiple devs say something and Chris roberts doesn't mention it, it has a 94% of being in the game currently within 2 years.
• This means we want news, NOT mentioned by CR at all. Kinda funny.
• Lore Team is the most consistent, with a near 100% completion on their lore timelines (when they release languages, flesh out lore, etc), they only missed 1 deadline.
• Ship team had 3 reworks of ships, flight models, or damage since 2016.
• UI has gotten a rework once ever 2.5 years.

 

[Flutta]

Really impressive tech they got.

 

[Spyxos]

I've been playing Star citizen for about 3 weeks now. It's really cool in theory. What you can theoretically do. Yes it's been in an alpha for I don't know 10 years now? I have experienced rarely a game, which does not respect my time at all. No matter what I do in the game, it already seems like a miracle when I get to the finish.

Something almost always goes wrong, sometimes I fall out of a flying ship into the space.

Often happens that I can not use my beginner ship at all, because in the middle of the ship a display appears, i can't move and the whole game is bugged and I can only log off (happened atleast 20 times)

I want to sell my package after a long delivery, but it is not recognized and well just lost a lot of time again.

I want to land on a huge planet, but I'm not even shown the landing location. Have fun searching. If you make a wrong parking, your ship will be confiscated.

This game has a tutorial. Unfortunately it doesn't scale with my screen, so everything it says I can barely read because it's so tiny. So in theory it's good that it's there, but I've hardly been able to read anything.

These are just a few things that don't work in the game.


The performance is terrible. I think it's gotten a little better over the years, but it's still a long way off.

The one thing that is really good in the game is the community. If you have questions, you will almost always get help. Sometimes people fly 20 minutes to you from the other part of the Galaxy to help you out. In general, the atmosphere is very relaxed. And there are really good people out there.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I've been playing Star citizen for about 3 weeks now. It's really cool in theory. What you can theoretically do. Yes it's been in an alpha for I don't know 10 years now? I have experienced rarely a game, which does not respect my time at all. No matter what I do in the game, it already seems like a miracle when I get to the finish.

Something almost always goes wrong, sometimes I fall out of a flying ship into the space.

Often happens that I can not use my beginner ship at all, because in the middle of the ship a display appears, i can't move and the whole game is bugged and I can only log off (happened atleast 20 times)

I want to sell my package after a long delivery, but it is not recognized and well just lost a lot of time again.

I want to land on a huge planet, but I'm not even shown the landing location. Have fun searching. If you make a wrong parking, your ship will be confiscated.

This game has a tutorial. Unfortunately it doesn't scale with my screen, so everything it says I can barely read because it's so tiny. So in theory it's good that it's there, but I've hardly been able to read anything.

These are just a few things that don't work in the game.


The performance is terrible. I think it's gotten a little better over the years, but it's still a long way off.

The one thing that is really good in the game is the community. If you have questions, you will almost always get help. Sometimes people fly 20 minutes to you from the other part of the Galaxy to help you out. In general, the atmosphere is very relaxed. And there are really good people out there.

This is the problem with “it is a full game already… see I can play it”. This is getting to Linux on Desktop level memes, although thanks to Valve that is actually getting closer .

 

[diffusionx]

lol I’m surprised that some people fall for this shit. They come up with fancy demos to get more money from the whales while they delay all the features indefinitely. It’s been going on for like 7 years at this point. They do this with tech, features, systems, patches, everything.

I guess if you’re falling for it it is because you want to fall for it, the sign of a good mark, always.

 

[Majukun]

the will to show the game status by the fans is only second to the haters persistance in wanting it to be a scam.

me personally i just wait and see if they'll release anything playable and definitive

 

[Mahnmut]

And when this update will roll out ? In 5 years ?

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

I'll say it again, extremely impressive tech.

Whoever is comparing MSFS2020 to this needs to put the crack pipe down. Both games aren't remotely similar at all. One is a very good flight sim where you do nothing but fly and the other is a space simulator sandbox MMO. Completely different genres, completely different goals in their design and completely different technology and gameplay at work. You can really tell the people that have no idea what Star Citizen is by the dumb posts they make. Star Citizen has atmospheric flying but that's just a little of what it does and the play area in Star Citizen is many magnitudes larger. You can't compare the two at all and they shouldn't be compared.

 

[Snake29]

I've been playing Star citizen for about 3 weeks now. It's really cool in theory. What you can theoretically do. Yes it's been in an alpha for I don't know 10 years now? I have experienced rarely a game, which does not respect my time at all. No matter what I do in the game, it already seems like a miracle when I get to the finish.

Something almost always goes wrong, sometimes I fall out of a flying ship into the space.

Often happens that I can not use my beginner ship at all, because in the middle of the ship a display appears, i can't move and the whole game is bugged and I can only log off (happened atleast 20 times)

I want to sell my package after a long delivery, but it is not recognized and well just lost a lot of time again.

I want to land on a huge planet, but I'm not even shown the landing location. Have fun searching. If you make a wrong parking, your ship will be confiscated.

This game has a tutorial. Unfortunately it doesn't scale with my screen, so everything it says I can barely read because it's so tiny. So in theory it's good that it's there, but I've hardly been able to read anything.

These are just a few things that don't work in the game.


The performance is terrible. I think it's gotten a little better over the years, but it's still a long way off.

The one thing that is really good in the game is the community. If you have questions, you will almost always get help. Sometimes people fly 20 minutes to you from the other part of the Galaxy to help you out. In general, the atmosphere is very relaxed. And there are really good people out there.

Im curious what your average fps is, because performance terrible isn’t a thing anymore these days in Star Citizen?

 

[Spyxos]

Im curious what your average fps is, because performance terrible isn’t a thing anymore these days in Star Citizen?

Just landed on Lorville and it was 30ish with dips to 28-26fps. On Stations and in space it is better getting 60fps+, but the moment i start my Ship and i see the the ship interface i loose 10+ fps. Get's even worse when someone is shooting at you or you see shields from other ships and explosions.

And on some planets where there is nothing at all it drops down to 30 fps, which makes landing quite difficult because everything is so sluggish and delayed.

 

[simpatico]

I've got a weird feeling that everyone who knocks this game has posts in their history praising games with much less content than what is already in Star Citizen.

 

[whyman]

Cool tech demo. When was this MMO supposed to be released again?

 

[ChoosableOne]

It looks like it will take full advantage of Switch 2.

 

[Topher]

Just landed on Lorville and it was 30ish with dips to 28-26fps. On Stations and in space it is better getting 60fps+, but the moment i start my Ship and i see the the ship interface i loose 10+ fps. Get's even worse when someone is shooting at you or you see shields from other ships and explosions.

And on some planets where there is nothing at all it drops down to 30 fps, which makes landing quite difficult because everything is so sluggish and delayed.

Yeah, I was doing a retrieval mission on a planet that had only a few NPCs and the frame rate tanked into single digits. That was a few weeks ago.

 

[Fredrik]

Definitely some cool tech.
Feature complete but not finished. Will it ever be finished?
I played it last year during a free period. All the bugs platform warriors dig up for Spider-Man 2 and Starfield on X is nothing compared to what I saw when playing this over a weekend. T-poses, people sitting in the air and standing on top of each other, clipping, and it was just bare bones on gameplay mechanics, then real people were running/jumping around in the underwear. Broken immersion all the time.
Had some fun flying the space ships though. I liked the simulator-like controls, landing was fun.
I’ll look back when it’s actually released.

 

[StereoVsn]

Show me the receipts on an actual game release and I will agree to whatever the hell they are trying to peddle now.

I supported their original kickstarter in what, 2012? Yeah….

 

[Belthazar]

The starengine demo. I don't think there's anything comparable out there for the scale of it all. Holy shit.

I'm sorry, but until all this is used to develop an actual product that people can download and play, this tech is just being used to create offline renders and trailers to impress the weird crowd at CitizenCon to take even more money out of their pockets. As it stands it doesn't amount to anything different than what Pixar or other animation studio have (except their results are far more impressive than this, mind you).

Until they deliver the actual game, I'll still be more impressed by engines that power games that are actually playable on actual hardware that people actually own.

 

[STARSBarry]

This is the thread equivalent of Mormons banging on your door to try and tell you how awesome their cult is to join and then getting upset when everyone slams the door in their face.

 

[Denton]

Extremely impressive tech. They are taking a long time, but innovation ain't easy. I will only give Roberts money when high quality Squadron 42 actually ships, but I am glad SC exists.

 

[FireFly]

lol I’m surprised that some people fall for this shit. They come up with fancy demos to get more money from the whales while they delay all the features indefinitely. It’s been going on for like 7 years at this point. They do this with tech, features, systems, patches, everything.

I guess if you’re falling for it it is because you want to fall for it, the sign of a good mark, always.

From the Reddit summary above, it looks like many of the features promised in past CitizenCons have been implemented.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I've got a weird feeling that everyone who knocks this game has posts in their history praising games with much less content than what is already in Star Citizen.

But MUH $45 kickstarter from 2012!!!

I’ve backed shit that just fizzled out or was pure shit, never bothered to install even at “release” like Mighty number 9.

I could be really pissed off that after a decade I don’t have my $45 worth of gaming, even though I’ve dipped my toes in the MMO many times, I could be pissed…

Or I could observe that most of the INSANE ideas, the ones that were pipe dreams and made most peoples gasp that it’s unlikely, are now in a state of where we know they have the tech working.

I prefer ambitious and a decade to show the receipts, even if there’s years to go ahead still

Than

8 years and $400M to show up with Starfield that brings nothing to the table/tech world.

Even if it did end up fizzling out and they have an engine for it, I still got more out of $45 than oh so many things I’ve spent $45 on in life.

Just seeing all the hate towards it is more entertaining than Mighty number 9

 

[StereoVsn]

From the Reddit summary above, it looks like many of the features promised in past CitizenCons have been implemented.

How about games promised by the developers being actually released? Will that ever happen?

Basically who the f cares about the engine tech running with abysmal performance when they won’t release any games based on it and instead continue fleecing their fans for more $$$.

 

[nemiroff]

This is the thread equivalent of Mormons banging on your door to try and tell you how awesome their cult is to join and then getting upset when everyone slams the door in their face.

This thread is also the equivalent of a fly paper for washed up wannabe comedians banging on your door to try to act funny but then getting upset when nobody's laughing.

 

[damidu]

yawwwnn
wake me up when sq42 has a release date

 

[nemiroff]

Cool tech demo. When was this MMO supposed to be released again?

2014

 

[Buggy Loop]

This thread is also the equivalent of a fly paper for washed up wannabe comedians banging on your door to try to act funny but then getting upset when nobody's laughing.

Nailed it

But I mean, I see that user anyway and I never saw anything constructive from him in years. You see that avatar, you know it’s a shitpost.

 

[STARSBarry]

This thread is also the equivalent of a fly paper for washed up wannabe comedians banging on your door to try to act funny but then getting upset when nobody's laughing.

Hey man at least you recognise your not funny, it's the first step to recovery.

 

[nemiroff]

Hey man at least you recognise your not funny, it's the first step to recovery.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Extremely impressive tech. They are taking a long time, but innovation ain't easy. I will only give Roberts money when high quality Squadron 42 actually ships, but I am glad SC exists.

Voila. Completely reasonable post and nobody is chasing you to spend $10k on a ship.

 

[StueyDuck]

if people bitched about actual AAA games the way they do about Star citizen maybe we'd have a bit more interesting games releasing.

 

[TxKnight7]

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

if people bitched about actual AAA games the way they do about Star citizen maybe we'd have a bit more interesting games releasing.

Say it louder for people in the back.

AAA is in the worst state it's ever been in and Star Citizen threads attract the haters like fly paper. People truly do have their priorities mixed up.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Demo at citizencon

So for peoples asking “when”, it’s in playable state, 31st October in preview for some players and imminent release after. Before ‘24 basically

 

[FireFly]

How about games promised by the developers being actually released? Will that ever happen?

Basically who the f cares about the engine tech running with abysmal performance when they won’t release any games based on it and instead continue fleecing their fans for more $$$.

Well if they can release server meshing and the Pyro system, that will show they are making progress. A "complete" Star Citizen may never exist if they continue to add features, like an MMO. I think it just needs to get to a point where there is enough content for the average person.

 

[Snake29]

Just landed on Lorville and it was 30ish with dips to 28-26fps. On Stations and in space it is better getting 60fps+, but the moment i start my Ship and i see the the ship interface i loose 10+ fps. Get's even worse when someone is shooting at you or you see shields from other ships and explosions.

And on some planets where there is nothing at all it drops down to 30 fps, which makes landing quite difficult because everything is so sluggish and delayed.

Star turning off volumetric clouds and if you have Nvidia GPU, set shader cache at 10GB.

 

[Spyxos]

Star turning off volumetric clouds and if you have Nvidia GPU, set shader cache at 10GB.

Done that. Game is also on a nvme drive. And i have 32gb ram.

 

[Spukc]

what the fuck does this even mean? How deep in the rabbit hole is this community?

 

[StueyDuck]

I will say, imagine if they did start licensing this tech now to other developers, I imagine it's a bloated mess on the backend with how long and over developed it has been, but imagine Dice ditching frostbite, using "starengine" and now scaling the game down to a 64-128 player bf game, with all the destruction tech, with the server meshing, cloth physics, water physics and so on and so forth.

 

[Ishma3L]

If Cloud Imperium Games turns out to just be a think tank for new tech and implementation methods then I'm cool with that. It must be fun for developers, more pointedly engineers, to be able to work on fleshing these bespoke systems out.

For me, it's always fun to read the commentary from both sides of the argument.