StopMakingSense
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No hes the Traveller.
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Star Trek: Discovery |OT| To Boldly Stream Where No One Has Streamed Before
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No hes the Traveller.
You really need to rewatch the episode, LOL.
OmegaTreeFish
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To be fair, you dont hear the F word lots because of the environment the are in. They are meant to be proffesionals etc. I thought they handled it really well. She is younger and it just came out. After a brief look of shock at it coming out so brazenly he then agreed and repeated it. Prob no different to if some young lab assistant did something similar after discovering a cure for cancer or something.
Anyway I am really enjoying this series. Loved every episode so far.
So the theory is that in 1 month, Voq
has fled from the battle of binaries with his #1, gone to the matriarchs, got humanised and then aboard a prison vessel long enough for Mudd to think he's actually a Fed, then beats seven shades out of the captain of the ship that must have been in on it to capture Lorca and kills a guard. Because being a human will help rally the 24 houses to T'kuvmas cause?
Mr. Pointy
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"Captain Lorca, this is Clem Fandango. Can you hear me?"
"I need you to-"
*takes finger off button*
"I need you to-"
*takes finger off button*
I would think that, but that scene towards the end make me think that they might move pass it. I appreciate Saru's self awareness for both his inadequacies and insecurities, as well as his attitude towards Burnham.
I guess that's done going by how the last episode ended.
Chiaroscuro
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This. Plus Burnham wasnt making it easy, she had a lot of prejudice towards him as well.
Indeed, she deserved to be called out for judging/ second guessing his decisions based on him being a prey species.
I hope so. I didnt mind Saru pre-Discovery, but ever since he became First Officer, hes just...dickish. I want to like him again.
Yeah, between the two of them, Burnham comes across as much less sympathetic for me.
He's also very insecure but keeps making good decisions. I like the character a lot.
Saru insisted they use the Ripper to jump, despite being told via Burnham that doing so could kill it. And, lo and behold, it very nearly did. Burnham showed much more emotion (in this episode, at least) than Saru did.
Mister_Bubbles
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I thought that was a really cool scene and visually quite striking. The effects design in the show is top tier.
Quite enjoyed episode five — feels like Discovery is finally starting to settle into being a Star Trek show. Not being so glued to Michael, and allowing other characters more screen presence really goes a long way to creating an atmosphere of mankind's utopian future. There were some actual ethical discussions — amazing!
Klingons are still shit, though, and this episode really amplifies my problems with their presentation in prior (and presumably future) episodes. Have them speak English, like they were on the prison ship. Universal translators are a thing in Star Trek, and they're no more fanciful than quantum mushroom space travel.
Klingons are still shit, though, and this episode really amplifies my problems with their presentation in prior (and presumably future) episodes. Have them speak English, like they were on the prison ship. Universal translators are a thing in Star Trek, and they're no more fanciful than quantum mushroom space travel.
we should probably put an asterisk/footnote for the Destiny fans that haven't seen TNG ;D
I think he's in the process of doing just that
As a representative of Starfleet working against the clock on an extremely important, time-sensitive mission, it's not up to Burnham to "show emotion", especially when such emotion is directly hindering their objective...it was up to her to act like a goddamn professional who could respect the chain of command. Saru was racing against time to save the life of their fellow captain, working under an extremely critical order from Starfleet to prevent extremely sensitive military information from falling into the Klingon's hands. Despite Saru hearing out Burnham's objections at the time and having informed her that they were required by necessity to make that gamble in order to complete their mission, Burnham took it upon herself to undermine those explicit orders from Saru as her superior, working with the science team in such a way that not only ended up sabotaging the entire mission, but consequently put the ship and its entire crew in danger as a result by allowing the ship to stall in hostile Klingon territory.
Although her concerns about the creature were naturally sympathetic, Burnham was lucky Saru didn't have security haul her ass into the brig after this episode.
Had she not done what she did, they really might have bee stranded in klingon space as I'm not sure how well the creature would have reacted to being inflated and nipple clamped again. Because of her actions they had the juice needed for human injection which got them out of dodge.
radios shipping overview
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These are kind of beside my point. F-words are new to Trek, and I think it's reasonable to guess that they were added for the same kind of mass appeal that a lot of the new elements in the series are aiming for. Discovery is fast-paced, cinematic, action-oriented, has a good helping of spectacle, and is often pretty quippy/snarky.
They are a thing - but the Klingons presumably have no reason to translate their own language to eachother.
DukeLongfellow
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A prequel to The Original Series (original show with Kirk) by some 10 years.
JonnyDBrit
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It's set around a hundred years after the previous series, Star Trek: Enterprise (Jonathan Archer being the Captain of that ship), while being set a little under a decade before the events of Star Trek: The Original Series (Captain Kirk in command).
Burnham's foster/mentor, Sarek, is the father of Spock, the first officer from TOS.
I doubt the one F-word was added for mass appeal. If you're going for mass appeal then you don't put the show on a streaming service that no-one uses in your home territory. There's the international deal with Netflix but I'd be surprised if that influenced many of the decisions made on the show. All the other elements you mentioned are just a part of making a new Star Trek today.
Chiaroscuro
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Spock was the Science Officer not the First Officer. The First Officer concept was introduced only in TNG to address some of the criticism from TOS, why a Federation Captain would expose himself so much to field trips and danger. So Riker was the Captains legs while himself usually stays in ship and dealing with the decision making and diplomacy.
Captain Skeleton
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He was both.
Chiaroscuro
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He was never referred as First Officer. He was the second in command and took the Captain seat when Kirk was not around, but that was not his official title, there was no such position in TOS.
Edit: unless you are talking about the reboot.
The clip from episode 6 that was on After Trek for those interested. Was posted on the Star Trek reddit.
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chrominance
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Something this show does a lot that I'm somewhat conflicted about is that it will try to make certain characters seem sympathetic by making everyone around that person seem like an asshole for an episode. The first two episodes, Burnham was a giant dick for bad (though story-relevant) reasons, and so nobody likes her. Then in the third episode, everyone's a dick to Burnham, so suddenly she's the sympathetic one, and everyone else is hateful except for Saru, who people end up liking because he's not really a dick, and he uses his dickishness like a scalpel to hit Burnham exactly where it needed to hurt. In this episode, we need to make the rest of the crew not seem like such dicks, so what does the show do? Make Saru a rampaging dick instead.
In summary, it's dicks all the way down. Er, I mean, what were we talking about? Oh right. I think the show's still trying to settle into proper characterizations for everyone, so we're probably just seeing different sides of everyone so far. Burnham, of course, has her own very specific reasons for not being so arrogant and hard-headed anymore. But I do occasionally get whiplash from the whole Dick of the Week thing.
Captain Skeleton
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I don't think that makes any of those people "dicks". That means that Saru was faced with a very real mission to try to find his captain and not have him suffer the same fate as Georgiou. Having to make a tough decision doesn't make you a bad person.
His options are either jump and the Tardigrade may not make it or don't jump and Lorca dies after he was specefically given a mission to save Lorce by Admiral Cornwell. This is also his first time ever in command. That tracks with his entire characterization.
EvilRedEye
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Yeah, I also noticed this. As far as I can tell there's no meaningful distinction between the term 'first officer' and 'second-in-command' although there's no first officer's station on the Enterprise bridge because the first officer is a department head.
EDIT: McCoy refers to Spock as 'first officer' in Amok Time.
Chiaroscuro
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That is in reference to the movie reboot.
But TOS haf a loose definition. When Kirk was away he usually choose his substitute at his will.
Plus the concept of First Officer implies that is his duty to stay in ship while the captain is away. While Riker had his share of field trips with Piccard, Spock was always with Kirk, making no sense of him being the Kirks substitute.
It is one of the gray spots from TOS that more recent lore has addressed, so you can consider Spock 1st Officer but he wasnt really at TOS. The movies, even before of the reboot, addressed it,
Agreed.
I thought Saru was perfectly reasonable in this episode, even when faced with some hard decisions.
radios shipping overview
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Riker had a really well-defined role as first officer. He was the XO and the show illustrated a lot of his duties as the chief of staff of the ship. Spock was mostly just the science officer who could take over in Kirk's absence.
Still haven't watched this yet(or checked into the thread), but just caught an online ad which made the show look like an all-out space war epic. The entire teaser was nothing but Klingons and the Federation shooting the shit out of each other in space.
Is that the show? No discovery, no moral quandaries to mull over, just a sci-fi blast em up?
Is that the show? No discovery, no moral quandaries to mull over, just a sci-fi blast em up?
Only in the same way that the old previews for DS9 showing the federation and dominion shooting the shit out of each other was representative of that shows content. Don't worry
Captain Skeleton
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People need to stop judging entire films or TV shows from a 30 second trailer.
When only Klingons are present in a scene, they should speak English, not because they're actually speaking English to each other, but because it's easier for the audience, especially since the Klingon they speak on Discovery sounds terrible for some reason, and to compound the problem, they sound like they're talking through a wall. Their voices don't carry and don't sound imposing at all.
When other species are present, have them speak Klingon. It's something other programs/movies have done before to great effect.
Hunt for Red October comes to mind. They all "speak" English on the Russian sub from the audience's perspective, even though they're actually speaking Russian to each other. But when Americans are added to the scene, they sound Russian.
I have no problem with reading subtitles but Klingon just sounds so bad to me on this show. I didn't have a problem with it on TNG for example.
Michael shows again and again and again that she has no respect for the chain of command. He gave her a specific order and she disobeyed. She flat-out knocked her captain. Who's to say she won't stab or shoot Saru in the back if she doesn't like what he's saying?
It was either that or get stranded in Klingon territory. Almost 200 souls vs 1. Emotion has no business when you're in command. Saru chose the practical option and did it to protect his captain and his crew. Michael did this to satisfy a selfish desire to appease her guilty conscious for getting Georgiou killed.
She's a rebel, not a psychopath. She'll disobey if she thinks it's right to do so, but she's hasn't shown to be willing to actually harm anyone on the federation.
To be fair Discovery makes it more difficult by putting everything behind a paywall in the US most people dont subscribe to (and to be honest really isnt appealing outside of the show itself}. I wonder how they plan to promote this for the back half of the season.
Ehh.. I thought it conveyed a nice bonding moment between Tilly and Staments being excited by their work. Besides you already know what Star Trek traditionally considers mass appeal.
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