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[DeathyBoy]

Still not sure how Ewoks can beat an army cloned from a notorious Jedi killer.

You mean Jango?

The same Jango who got his ass kicked by Obi-Wan even with the element of surprise on his side? The same Jango who had a sniper-rifle and hired someone else to kill Padme? The same Jango who fired point-blank range at Mace Windu and didn't try to avoid getting his head chopped off?

No shit would the Ewoks win.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Any time you have magic/super powers in a franchise, the use is highly inconsistent. Look at any super hero comic or movie for example.

 

[Keasar]

Should mention the sudden "HADOUKEN!" from The Old Republic trailer.

http://youtu.be/adZR-Pp_JO0?t=9m49s

 

[BattleMonkey]

Why are there such shitty ass looking droids when we know they have the technology to make artificial skin and accurately replicate a human hand?

In the EU materials they had claimed droids were meant to look like droids, that majority of races and planets agreed against organic looking droids. Droids made to look like organic beings were considered illegal, though they did exist.

 

[Apt101]

I can't believe I never noticed that.

I'm pretty sure there is another short segment where they get blurry and zip away too. Quigon calls it shadow somesuch. Unless it was actually in that video but the quality is so shitty I couldn't tell.

 

[Windu]

Still not sure how Ewoks can beat an army cloned from a notorious Jedi killer.

stormtroopers are not clones.

edit: from the mouth a writer on rebels and part of the lucasfilm story group:

at 2:50:

http://www.starwars.com/video/rebels-recon-inside-droids-in-distress

 

[Eggbok]

Any time you have magic/super powers in a franchise, the use is highly inconsistent. Look at any super hero comic or movie for example.

 

[ChubbyHuggs]

StarKiller pulls down a whole Star Destroyer from the sky.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgDU66pIuB0

 

[Jintor]

I can't believe I never noticed that.

I never even knew Force Speed was EVER used in the movies @_@

 

[Dryk]

Uhh, all the Jedis just form a circle and everyone does a huge force push blasting all clone troops around them into mush. Or go into hiding, throw lightsaber into air and force it into a missile decapitating every clone troop near you.

It seemed that Order 66 killed all jedis in a matter hours, which made all the jedis look just bad.

Everyone that was fit for combat was deployed to the front lines alone with a legion of clones precisely so that they couldn't do things like that.

 

[Nakho]

Star Wars is like the Harry Potter of sci-fi. EVERYTHING is highly inconsistent. I wouldn't fret it if I were you.

 

[blakep267]

I always wondered why people were bothered by Jedi users and the force. if anything, I want them to be more badass with it.

somebody brought up the old clone wars animated shorts and mace windu fucking up a droid army with just the force. that's super badass. I want that. not old obi wan who basically is only 50 ish and can't do a thing.

 

[Metroidvania]

Wasn't the technical explanation that absorbing/dispersing energy (i.e. from blaster fire) was a rare force power that Vader happened to have?

That's probably only from the EU, though.

 

[pupcoffee]

Technically, the force is capable of anything.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Wasn't the technical explanation that absorbing/dispersing energy (i.e. from blaster fire) was a rare force power that Vader happened to have?

That's probably only from the EU, though.

Not all force users can do the same things. The Clone Wars which is canon pointed this out where certain jedi had unique abilities that others couldn't use.

 

[joeyjoejoeshabadoo]

Still not sure how Ewoks can beat an army cloned from a notorious Jedi killer.

I think by the time the OT is happening the Stormtroopers are made up of volunteer and conscripted soldiers. Explains why they are shit at shooting.

 

[Sendero]

Oh, lawd, what is this shit? Such a stupid move, no wonder why I forgot it.

Blocked it out I guess

I forgot this shit even happened.

Same here. Thought it was more of a lore/EU/videogames thing actually. Granted, I have never given a 2nd view to the prequels but.. it's really hard to witness that and then ponder why they are not using such power in tons of scenes where it would have been quite convenient to use.

Plus, kind of surprised the visual FXs already look quite outdated. Those robots almost look taken out of a poor TV series.

Stormtroopers are not clones. Star Wars: Rebels, which is canon, makes this explicitly clear.

I learned something new today. Thanks.

 

[elrechazado]

I always wondered why people were bothered by Jedi users and the force. if anything, I want them to be more badass with it.

somebody brought up the old clone wars animated shorts and mace windu fucking up a droid army with just the force. that's super badass. I want that. not old obi wan who basically is only 50 ish and can't do a thing.

Nobody is saying they want weak. People are complaining about consistency.

 

[elrechazado]

I think by the time the OT is happening the Stormtroopers are made up of volunteer and conscripted soldiers. Explains why they are shit at shooting.

Why would it follow that they are terrible shots?

 

[BattleMonkey]

I think by the time the OT is happening the Stormtroopers are made up of volunteer and conscripted soldiers. Explains why they are shit at shooting.

Been confirmed that the Empire is volunteer and not clones. The empire is huge compared to the small clone army. Using volunteers is quicker way to build up a giant army around the galaxy while building loyalty amongst population who now has members of their family and friends employed by this new Empire.

Good guy palpy creating billions of jobs

 

[Enduin]

This is something that has always bothered and kept me away from much of the EU. The original trilogy is so limited, despite a few inconsistencies, and vague when it comes to the force and what it can do that it's OK, but when you get into some of the Old Republic and original Sith Lords and some of their successors and what they could do things just get really fucking stupid.

If Disney and Abrams were smart or really cared and wanted to utilize the who wiping of the Star Wars canon they'd set up very strict and fleshed out boundaries for the Force, what it can and cannot do, and stick to it. But they won't because that would tie their hands in the future and stop them from doing stupidly amazing shit for fantastic visual spectaculars.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

we regularly see blaster fire hit metal stuff and do little to no damage to it. we also see it damage stuff of course, don't get me wrong, but I think you could argue the inconsistency is in how much damage blasters can do.

What is really funny about this is that regular blasters and blaster rifles are actually depicted as insanely powerful in the Original Trilogy vs in the Prequel Trilogy where they are weak as hell. If you watch any sequence where blaster fire is all over the place, in the OT there are huge explosions, massive fireworks and it's scarring every surface even leaving fire behind on a couple and outright blasting others into debris. The scene in the Mos Eisley starport right before the Millennium Falcon takes off is insane when it comes to this. Mean while in the PT blaster fire just kinda sparks and fizzles on most surfaces, like the shit in the hanger / palace in episode 1 right before the maul duel.

Since they are both starports / hangers we can assume them to be built of similar materials right?

Seriously LOOK AT THIS SHIT from episode 4 starts 1 min in.

Compared to this shit from episode 1, starts at around 2min.

 

[AlimNassor]

How do the Jedi look bad during order 66? They had no clue the Clones were about to betray them. The Jedi were blindsided and never had a chance to really defend themselves, and if they did were overwhelmed. Remember, it was usually just 1 jedi against hundreds of Clones and heavy armor.

 

[BattleMonkey]

What is really funny about this is that regular blasters and blaster rifles are actually depicted as insanely powerful in the Original Trilogy vs in the Prequel Trilogy where they are weak as hell. If you watch any sequence where blaster fire is all over the place, in the OT there are huge explosions, massive fireworks and it's scarring every surface even leaving fire behind on a couple and outright blasting others into debris. The scene in the Mos Eisley starport right before the Millennium Falcon takes off is insane when it comes to this. Mean while in the PT blaster fire just kinda sparks and fizzles on most surfaces, like the shit in the hanger / palace in episode 1 right before the maul duel.

Since they are both starports / hangers we can assume them to be built of similar materials right?

Seriously LOOK AT THIS SHIT from episode 4 starts 1 min in.

Compared to this shit from episode 1, starts at around 2min.

OT was highly inconsistent on blaster damage too. Han Solos pistol blows out huge chunks of concrete bunker, while in other scenes blaster rifles on similar materials leave little black scorch marks. In Bespin when Luke is being fired upon for example, you see giant flaming homes being made in walls from blasters while many shots just hit and spark with nothing but little black mark.

How do the Jedi look bad during order 66? They had no clue the Clones were about to betray them. The Jedi were blindsided and never had a chance to really defend themselves, and if they did were overwhelmed. Remember, it was usually just 1 jedi against hundreds of Clones and heavy armor.

The only time people saw jedi in action in canon was Luke attacking jabbas sail barge in ROTJ. From that people got the notion that jedi were godly powerful as you really dont see much jedi fighting in the OT outside of their one on one saber duels. In PT we see Jedi getting gunned down left and right by incompetent droids. People had unrealistic expectations of the Jedi from ROTJ and also with how powered up the EU materials made jedi out to be.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

OT was highly inconsistent on blaster damage too. Han Solos pistol blows out huge chunks of concrete bunker, while in other scenes blaster rifles on similar materials leave little black scorch marks. In Bespin when Luke is being fired upon for example, you see giant flaming homes being made in walls from blasters while many shots just hit and spark with nothing but little black mark.

Yeah this is definitely true, I just think that on the whole, blasters are depicted a being far more destructive in the OT than in the PT where we mostly just see them cause fizzly sparks. You are right though, not every scene with blasters in it is quite as intense as that spaceport shoot out in episode 4.

 

[onken]

This is like in Alien Resurrection where a xenomorph spits acid (blood?) in that one ladder scene. This was never done before or since because it breaks all kinds of stuff.

 

[Slayven]

Know what I never liked? The duality of the force, they keep saying the dark side is bad but they never show any consequences. If anything they show it as the cooler side.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Know what I never liked? The duality of the force, they keep saying the dark side is bad but they never show any consequences. If anything they show it as the cooler side.

Well it did influence Anakin to kill a horde of little kids. Course kids can be dicks

 

[ersocaster]

What is really funny about this is that regular blasters and blaster rifles are actually depicted as insanely powerful in the Original Trilogy vs in the Prequel Trilogy where they are weak as hell. If you watch any sequence where blaster fire is all over the place, in the OT there are huge explosions, massive fireworks and it's scarring every surface even leaving fire behind on a couple and outright blasting others into debris. The scene in the Mos Eisley starport right before the Millennium Falcon takes off is insane when it comes to this. Mean while in the PT blaster fire just kinda sparks and fizzles on most surfaces, like the shit in the hanger / palace in episode 1 right before the maul duel.

Since they are both starports / hangers we can assume them to be built of similar materials right?

Seriously LOOK AT THIS SHIT from episode 4 starts 1 min in.

Compared to this shit from episode 1, starts at around 2min.

You know that OT is years and years after the prequels right? It makes sense technology would advance.

 

[Ezalc]

Know what I never liked? The duality of the force, they keep saying the dark side is bad but they never show any consequences. If anything they show it as the cooler side.

I think the dumb thing is the extremism of both sides. I'd want to see some gray jedi just fucking people up.

 

[Slayven]

Well it did influence Anakin to kill a horde of little kids. Course kids can be dicks

Did it really? Or was it the fact he was batshit crazy, as folks that grow up being told they were the chosen one often be?

I think the dumb thing is the extremism of both sides. I'd want to see some gray jedi just fucking people up.

They would probably use guns too. For a religion that preaches life is sacred, why is their main tool only useful for destruction?

 

[GungHo]

Maybe he had to see the victim to make it work.

Then all he needs is to put cameras on the TIE Fighters.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

You know that OT is years and years after the prequels right? It makes sense technology would advance.

That would be a valid argument except that 19 years is nothing for a civilization that has barely changed technologically in over 3000 years.
Also if we want to get technical the standard E-11 stormtrooper blaster rifle is made from from the DC-15S republic commando blaster pistol.
So the power difference is basically negligible.

The reality is their power changed as special effects technologies and budgets changed. Practical to green screen or even maybe getting costs down on certain sets.

 

[Red Mage]

The answer is always that Lucas is a shitty writer and director.

Always the right answer. I was so excited when I heard they were going to make the Prequels. I remember some fake scripts that were circulating around the web at the time, based off the official lore. The official lore at the time was that the Clones were the enemies, and that most of the Jedi were killed off in that war. Even as a kid, I knew these were fake, but figured the actual movies would be at least as good. So... so... disappointed.

 

[kyser73]

You know that OT is years and years after the prequels right? It makes sense technology would advance.

The Old Republic was less martial than the Empire, lower powered guns?

 

[Mr. Poolman]

I blame the prequels.

 

[Frodo]

*blank* in Star Wars is wildly inconsistent.

This. Still love the series, though.

My favourite word to fill the blank is still "accents".

 

[Gorechylde]

Why didn't the ambushed Jedi use force speed to escape the clone troopers when Order 66 was executed? I understand that some were shot from behind, but there were numerous scenes showing Jedi deflecting blaster shots until getting mowed down. Why not just run?

Obi-Wan is shown to use force speed as a padewan as is pointed out in this thread. That leads me to believe that force speed is part of basic training and all Jedi are versed in this ability... Use it.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Did it really? Or was it the fact he was batshit crazy, as folks that grow up being told they were the chosen one often be?

Well he wasn't going around slaughtering whole classes of kids and choking his wife before he fell to the dark side.

 

[Ithil]

The real basic inconsistency is how lightsabers are treated. Obviously, they did not have CG to aid in stuntwork in the OT, and what's more, Lucas' ideas of how lightsabers worked was different. Mark Hamill, for ROTJ, wanted to use it one handed and do more elaborate fencing, I guess like Errol Flynn, but Lucas insisted he had to hold on to it two handed and act as though the saber was very heavy. So no spinning the saber around like a baton (episode3.gif)

But now the canon is that the "light" of the saber weighs nothing, and so the Jedi use the Force to always know exactly where the blade is at all times so they don't just slice their own arm off.

Adding to this, in the PT we see the Emperor and Yoda jumping around doing flips and somersaults, I guess with the Force. They did nothing of the sort in the OT, and being old or limited (like Vader) meant you weren't going to be doing flips like a young man.
Ignoring the fact that Yoda and the Emperor doing backflips looks fucking stupid, the OT pretty much said they were both so old and powerful that they had long since advanced past the use of lightsabers and relied only on the Force. Hence why it was special when Yoda could lift incredibly big and heavy objects with ease, or the Emperor could shoot lightning out of his hands. Now of course it seems like that's just standard, and not special.

The whole change from "wise sages or dark lords who also have light swords" to "acrobatic gymnast sword fighters" is pretty lame.
From "wars not make one great" to "this weapon is your life".

 

[GuitarAtomik]

The inconsistent power of lightsabers is also an issue.

Original trilogy, they are just swords made out of light.

Episode 1 kicks in and suddenly they can melt fucking solid steel doors!

I'm sure that ability would have come in handy if Obi-wan bothered to tell Luke he could do that

?? Even in the OT, lightsabers were slicing body parts off with zero effort while instantaneously cauterizing the wound. In Empire, Luke uses it to easily cut off a metal piece of an AT-AT. It makes sense that you can put something like that through a steel door.

 

[sleepykyo]

I don't understand why Star Wars always has to be scrutinized for explanation when comic books just get the shrug for the most part. People question them, but most people just go "eh".

I mean fuck, more explanations lead us to midichlorians. Do we want more shit like midichlorians in our precious Star Wars films?

Comics don't get ignored. For example,

http://www.sciencefriday.com/blogs/...r-man-the-death-of-gwen-stacy.html?audience=4

Also there are various calculations regarding how fast Saeko's boobs were moving in this scene. Possibly nsfw.

 

[tirminyl]

Haha, you might as well allow the EU when something this is canon:

WARNING CLONE WARS SPOILERS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWPPffAmujM

I don't know much about the story of the Nightsisters/Witches, and I forget if Clone Wars goes into much detail, but they are essentially using the dark side of the force right?

I believe it was described that they use the raw part of the force that allowed them to do lots of things and yes it was the dark side.

 

[BattleMonkey]

I believe it was described that they use the raw part of the force that allowed them to do lots of things and yes it was the dark side.

They learned to use the force on their own, not attached to the Jedi/Sith so they developed their own uses for the force. Some of it obviously attached to the dark side or more gray in nature depending on user and of course source. The original Dathomir witches in the EU had some tribes that were more light side types than others. But the witches didn't categorize themselves like the Jedi/Sith do

 

[MC Safety]

Star Wars is, as was, for kids. And not in the way a tale for children can be consistent and internally logical, either.

 

[Slayven]

That would be a valid argument except that 19 years is nothing for a civilization that has barely changed technologically in over 3000 years.
Also if we want to get technical the standard E-11 stormtrooper blaster rifle is made from from the DC-15S republic commando blaster pistol.
So the power difference is basically negligible.

The reality is their power changed as special effects technologies and budgets changed. Practical to green screen or even maybe getting costs down on certain sets.

Elderscrolls and Star Wars always bother me with how stagnant in tech they are.

They learned to use the force on their own, not attached to the Jedi/Sith so they developed their own uses for the force. Some of it obviously attached to the dark side or more gray in nature depending on user and of course source. The original Dathomir witches in the EU had some tribes that were more light side types than others. But the witches didn't categorize themselves like the Jedi/Sith do

A lot of things used the force with the light and dark stuff. Much more intetesting.

 

[Warm Machine]

This is like in Alien Resurrection where a xenomorph spits acid (blood?) in that one ladder scene. This was never done before or since because it breaks all kinds of stuff.

The younger one did it in Alien 3. That is why the guy falls and rolls backwards into the giant fan.

 

[Spiritreaver]

I believe it was described that they use the raw part of the force that allowed them to do lots of things and yes it was the dark side.

They learned to use the force on their own, not attached to the Jedi/Sith so they developed their own uses for the force. Some of it obviously attached to the dark side or more gray in nature depending on user and of course source. The original Dathomir witches in the EU had some tribes that were more light side types than others. But the witches didn't categorize themselves like the Jedi/Sith do

Awesome stuff. I like seeing different takes on the force show up in something considered canon. Really it was my favorite part about that arc in the series, really enjoyed the Dathomir stuff.

Also I was wondering if we had an Edmond Dantes for the Star Wars universe, glad we do.

 

[The Elite]

In the EU materials they had claimed droids were meant to look like droids, that majority of races and planets agreed against organic looking droids. Droids made to look like organic beings were considered illegal, though they did exist.

I figured there would be an EU explanation. It's a fairly good one as well.

 

[Renzoku]

The plural of Jedi is Jedi.