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[foxuzamaki]

Good fucking lord. I'm convinced only myself and like 5 other people on this forum have actually seen Clone Wars, despite it arguably being the best thing to happen to the universe since the OT.

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[tirminyl]

They learned to use the force on their own, not attached to the Jedi/Sith so they developed their own uses for the force. Some of it obviously attached to the dark side or more gray in nature depending on user and of course source. The original Dathomir witches in the EU had some tribes that were more light side types than others. But the witches didn't categorize themselves like the Jedi/Sith do

Yep, thanks. It's been a while since I looked that all up after watching the show. I can say that really made me get into the Star Wars verse. That and the...um..."Originals" or whatever you want to call them.

 

[Tesseract]

the schwartz demands incredible whale from its users

 

[Gnome Scat]

Ability. The force used to be more of a connectivity with the universe around you that requires much training to obtain. Then they changed it to genetics, which kind of messed up how skilled people could become and made it less cool.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Ability. The force used to be more of a connectivity with the universe around you that requires much training to obtain. Then they changed it to genetics, which kind of messed up how skilled people could become and made it less cool.

The genetic thing was more about explaining why some people could use the force and others couldn't. We really didn't need to know this of course.

 

[foxuzamaki]

OT was highly inconsistent on blaster damage too. Han Solos pistol blows out huge chunks of concrete bunker, while in other scenes blaster rifles on similar materials leave little black scorch marks. In Bespin when Luke is being fired upon for example, you see giant flaming homes being made in walls from blasters while many shots just hit and spark with nothing but little black mark.



The only time people saw jedi in action in canon was Luke attacking jabbas sail barge in ROTJ. From that people got the notion that jedi were godly powerful as you really dont see much jedi fighting in the OT outside of their one on one saber duels. In PT we see Jedi getting gunned down left and right by incompetent droids. People had unrealistic expectations of the Jedi from ROTJ and also with how powered up the EU materials made jedi out to be.

I think its pretty clear that not all jedi are created equal and there would be jedi stronger than others

 

[GuitarAtomik]

Good fucking lord. I'm convinced only myself and like 5 other people on this forum have actually seen Clone Wars, despite it arguably being the best thing to happen to the universe since the OT.

I'm a ways in to season 2 and still find it pretty boring whenever they're not focusing on the clones. I've been enjoying Rebels though.

EDIT: Clone Wars is still exponentially better than the prequels. I'll give it that.

 

[ersocaster]

That would be a valid argument except that 19 years is nothing for a civilization that has barely changed technologically in over 3000 years.
Also if we want to get technical the standard E-11 stormtrooper blaster rifle is made from from the DC-15S republic commando blaster pistol.
So the power difference is basically negligible.

The reality is their power changed as special effects technologies and budgets changed. Practical to green screen or even maybe getting costs down on certain sets.

His video did not depict a Republic blaster, it was Trade Federation vs Naboo.

I admit I do not know much about the specific blaster versions used in the movies, but if you look at their respective Wookieepedia pages, it implies the Stormtrooper blaster is a behemoth.

And you have to look at the context of the 19 year jump. It went from a bunch of allied colonies who may not need much development in weapons technology to an Empire who would need the latest and greatest available.

 

[Spiritreaver]

I'm a ways in to season 2 and still find it pretty boring whenever they're not focusing on the clones. I've been enjoying Rebels though.

EDIT: Clone Wars is still exponentially better than the prequels. I'll give it that.

Ah yeah, the first two seasons require some jumping around to avoid the awkward pacing and horrible political crap. Good rule of thumb is if the episode features Padme or Jar Jar, just skip. Season 3 on is much better about keep things interesting, though a Padme episode sneaks in here and there.

Though I must confess I enjoyed the Jedi Jar Jar episode. :|

EDIT: I remember seeing this earlier today searching for Clone Wars threads. Might help.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=113682070&postcount=3

 

[BattleMonkey]

Awesome stuff. I like seeing different takes on the force show up in something considered canon. Really it was my favorite part about that arc in the series, really enjoyed the Dathomir stuff.

Also I was wondering if we had an Edmond Dantes for the Star Wars universe, glad we do.

The EU had quite a few different groups that used the force in their own ways that were very different from the Jedi. Outside of the Dathomir witches of course it's now not canon anymore.

 

[elrechazado]

Star Wars is, as was, for kids. And not in the way a tale for children can be consistent and internally logical, either.

Yeah, kids are all about trade taxation disputes, senatorial rule making and no confidence votes, romantic subplots, child murder, slavery, and tons of decapitation and dismemberments.

 

[John Bender]

Skywalkers and Yoda have more midichlorians.

This

 

[human onion]

Imagine how unstoppable someone with perfect aim, precognition, super speed, telekinesis, limited mind reading, limited mind control, chain lightning hands etc would be if instead of using a stupid sword, they used guns and just dodged all of the slow moving plasma bolts. The scene in Ep 1 where they use force speed to zip down the hallway is so stupid, that shit is never shown again in the series.

You don't have to imagine. Try the Jedi Knight games and you'll see how ridiculous that can be.

Although Katarn was a genocidal machine in Dark Forces WITHOUT the force.

 

[Amirai]

Yeah, the inconsistency is one of the things that always annoyed me most about Star Wars.

In particular, how the Jedi refused to use telekinesis on their light sabers while they were on. It's possibly the most blatant selective writing I've ever seen, pulling the light saber towards them, then turning it on. How about turning it on while its flying through the air and fighting from a distance?

Seriously, I expected the Yoda fight in ep 2 to be Yoda basically standing still for the whole thing and using force telekinesis on his light saber instead of directly using it with his arms. That would have been way cooler.

At least Star Wars rebels finally has someone doing that.

 

[Kinyou]

Know what I never liked? The duality of the force, they keep saying the dark side is bad but they never show any consequences. If anything they show it as the cooler side.

How the Jedi were so afraid of the dark side while at the same time apparently not really understanding it was always a bit weird. But I guess that's what religions often do.

 

[border]

Good fucking lord. I'm convinced only myself and like 5 other people on this forum have actually seen Clone Wars, despite it arguably being the best thing to happen to the universe since the OT.

The prequels were bad enough that I don't want to see or experience anything during that time period.

 

[Cheebo]

Anyone who considers themselves a Star Wars fan MUST watch The Clone Wars. I can't imagine skipping it. It is the best thing in the franchise since Empire Strikes Back, easily. It retroactively makes you actually care about the prequel characters and that is quite a feat.

Not to mention TCW makes up the vast majority of the star wars canon now. Being a star wars fan but skipping TCW is baffling.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

Inconsistent usage of force powers was rampant in The Clone Wars. It also shed light on the Jedi and their absolute incompetence. They were so goddamn dumb. You have the power to solve this conflt, whether it be kill or dismember, just do it!

They mind-raped the bounty hunter. They have the power to fuck with minds, and don't mind at all using it. That's one helluva power and pretty dark side-like. They can do all these things to salvage situations but they're minds are written to be clouded as hell. Use the force, they say, and then they don't when they really should.

 

[The Silver]

Yeah, the inconsistency is one of the things that always annoyed me most about Star Wars.

In particular, how the Jedi refused to use telekinesis on their light sabers while they were on. It's possibly the most blatant selective writing I've ever seen, pulling the light saber towards them, then turning it on. How about turning it on while its flying through the air and fighting from a distance?

Seriously, I expected the Yoda fight in ep 2 to be Yoda basically standing still for the whole thing and using force telekinesis on his light saber instead of directly using it with his arms. That would have been way cooler.

At least Star Wars rebels finally has someone doing that.

KOTOR 2 has a boss who does it, it's implied to be an extremely high level/rare ability.

 

[CitizenVectron]

Know what I never liked? The duality of the force, they keep saying the dark side is bad but they never show any consequences. If anything they show it as the cooler side.

Very interesting point. They never really explained (or even showed) how the Dark side has a negative effect on people. I always thought the Emperor's appearance was due to him gaining great power at the expense of vitality/life, but nope, it was due to a lightning reversal.

Really it seems that the dark side just gives you cool extra powers without modifying your ability to function. One could argue that it made Anakin impetuous, but on the other hand the Emperor was very clever and had great foresight.

 

[ersocaster]

Very interesting point. They never really explained (or even showed) how the Dark side has a negative effect on people. I always thought the Emperor's appearance was due to him gaining great power at the expense of vitality/life, but nope, it was due to a lightning reversal.

Really it seems that the dark side just gives you cool extra powers without modifying your ability to function. One could argue that it made Anakin impetuous, but on the other hand the Emperor was very clever and had great foresight.

I always assumed it was kind of a cyclical effect.

You get emotional, which strengthens your powers. You notice that emotion (anger, fear, etc.) gives you strength, so you are more likely to get emotional, further increasing your powers. Over and over until you are no longer rational in your thought process, where you no longer analyze the situation, you just react to it emotionally (like killing anyone who fails you, regardless of the consequence).

I think both Luke and Obi-Wan are exceptional because they both used emotion without letting it overcome them, I would consider them both "gray area" good guys. Not so much that they can use Dark side powers, but enough that they feed off of emotion at some points.

 

[Shanlei91]

I always took away from the 6 films that using force kind of makes you vulnerable at that moment, so using it in a Jedi duel would be unwise unless your opponent is caught off guard.

And Vader being a telekinetic badass followed by his son lifting ships with limited training? Midichlorians. (Known to us as, DNA)

 

[Sober]

I think by the time the OT is happening the Stormtroopers are made up of volunteer and conscripted soldiers. Explains why they are shit at shooting.

There's apparently like half a dozen reasons in the (old) EU why stormtroopers are terrible at shooting, except people forgot it's a movie with heroes so unless the writer wanted someone to be shot (and probably not even fatally) no amount of volume would hit the hero unless the story demanded it, whereas the clone troopers are the good guys and are going to shoot down the bad guys just because.

But apparently in the EU you have things like deteriorating clone stock (for what few clone troopers still remained in service or were cloned into stormtrooper service), volunteers, shitty training, helmets being in the way or poor targeting interfaces or whatever dumb shit they could come up with to handwave away "the writer doesn't want the good guys getting hit, but the bad guys will be more often than not."

 

[Raist]

I always took away from the 6 films that using force kind of makes you vulnerable at that moment, so using it in a Jedi duel would be unwise unless your opponent is caught off guard.

And Vader being a telekinetic badass followed by his son lifting ships with limited training? Midichlorians. (Known to us as, DNA)

I mean to be fair it seems rather limited in scope and/or looks like it's taking them a lot of effort. While Obi-wan and Qui-gon casually send bunches of drones fly away by a flip of the hand.

 

[Slayven]

KOTOR 2 has a boss who does it, it's implied to be an extremely high level/rare ability.

Pfft, why not turn yourself into a lightsaber