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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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GHG
Gold Member
List the ones that are on metacritic. Should be straightforward.
And we’re talking about outlets being excluded entirely, which is not the same.
Excluding them on the basis of individual very important opinions of randos on Neogaf, who think that aggregate scores are some kind of way of knowing the mind of God, or something.
Yeah, somehow I don’t think they’re gonna do that, nor should they.
Topher
Gold Member
Quick and easy way to remove the Xbox reviews from the equation is to just look at the PC reviews.
www.metacritic.com
Starfield critic reviews
Metacritic aggregates music, game, tv, and movie reviews from the leading critics. Only Metacritic.com uses METASCORES, which let you know at a glance how each item was reviewed.
www.metacritic.com
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
XboxEra is on thereQuick and easy way to remove the Xbox reviews from the equation is to just look at the PC reviews.
Starfield critic reviews
Metacritic aggregates music, game, tv, and movie reviews from the leading critics. Only Metacritic.com uses METASCORES, which let you know at a glance how each item was reviewed.
GHG
Gold Member
Quick and easy way to remove the Xbox reviews from the equation is to just look at the PC reviews.
Starfield critic reviews
Metacritic aggregates music, game, tv, and movie reviews from the leading critics. Only Metacritic.com uses METASCORES, which let you know at a glance how each item was reviewed.
If only. Xboxera have snuck their way in there.
Mibu no ookami
Member
Well I'll be a son of a bitch. LooksMibu no ookami might be right. That metacritic is down to 85 and that's without Metro's expected 6/10 score. Glad I didn't make any jizz gargling bets like a few of you freaks (love it) seem to always do.
Appreciate the shout-out.
I think now that the consensus out there is that the review scores, both critic and user are both disappointing across platforms, that we can now shift this conversation to whether these lower-than-expected reviews will have an impact on sales performance of both GamePass and Xbox Series.
We're going to see how this game individually ranks in sales, but also if the Xbox Series was able to outsell the PS5 in September and/or October (Forza).
I think we can all see where things are trending and they aren't positive, but a lot of this will depend on the performance of Spider-Man 2, which I expect due to the response to Starfield is likely to be user review bombed, but also could be in itself disappointing on critical acclaim. I think Spider-Man 1 would have done better if the Mary Jane missions weren't in there and some of the more annoying side quests, but Spider-Man 2 needs to do more than just remove those.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Weighted scores are still not the average aggregate, proper.
Topher
Gold Member
XboxEra is on there
Ah....that's funny. Well, less of an Xbox website presence there anyway. One site vs ten.
And gets rid of that comical lowball jimquisition review.
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Weighting scores is still not the same as removing outlets entirely based on arbitrary criticisms.
Is it? Do you want to repeat yourself again?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yes.
Weighted scores are still not the average aggregate, proper.
And whether the scores are weighted or not is not the same as excluding outlets entirely.
Just accept that you’re not gonna get your magical, mystical, perfectly pure Metacritic score ever. Ever.
There is no pure science of review scores I’m afraid. You can’t just magic up some number which gives you - I don’t know what is that you guys even thinking you’re looking for.
Critics that you personally do not like are still making reviews. Those reviews still count. Thats the beginning and end of it.
4/10 is too harsh? According to who? Some rando on Neogaf? Ok. And what about the 5/10 it got from that Spanish outlet? Is that too harsh, are they getting booted from MC for gross bias?
Where does it stop? Where is the line drawn? Who draws the line?
Why you guys waste your time with these quests to just - basically - cleanse the world of views you don’t like I really really don’t know.
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Kilau
Gold Member
It's easy to see someone throwing a tantrum from a few words, don't have to read all of your nonsense to get that. You showed your true colors already, nobody cares what you think. Just because you put something in quotes doesn't mean I said it, you have no argument here or idea what I think. You are dismissed.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's still not the proper aggregate.
GHG
Gold Member
You can take press start off there as well.
And that’s still not relevant to the point under discussion.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
It's relevant to the basis of your argument
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Whilst I agree 85 is a fair score. ( me 8.9 at the moment ) So obviously Starfield is the type of game people will like it or not.
Now BG3. I hate turned based games, I couldn't score it. But my point being BG3 96 on metacritc. Surely there has to be some reviewer's who aren't big turn based games fans. Or are they really that popular and I'm on my own.
Now BG3. I hate turned based games, I couldn't score it. But my point being BG3 96 on metacritc. Surely there has to be some reviewer's who aren't big turn based games fans. Or are they really that popular and I'm on my own.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's relevant to whether their aggregate is an actual average or not.
As far as including and excluding, along with weighted averages, they do BOTH.
Sweet, sweet transparency.
The basis of my argument is whether outlets are able to contribute to reviews scores at all, not whether they are slightly weighted or not.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
No, the basis of your argument is that aggregators should be impartial otherwise they serve no purpose, which a weighted system is not.
Mibu no ookami
Member
You can't or at least shouldn't as a review say I don't like fighting games so SF6 is a 1/10.
Obviously, some degree of personal preference comes into play, but reviewers should try and review in a way that is objective and reflects the audience of their readers.
If you have no appetite for fighting games, it's kind of incumbent upon the reviewer to recuse themselves.
Banjo64
cumsessed
What about the ‘journalists’ that work for neutral publications that Xbox have compromised via free gifts and nudes of Klobrille?
Fair enough, I wasn’t aware of that.
But I think that’s what there kind of explains why; the basis of what outlets they include and the weighting is entirely a black box. They explain nothing.
If they had published criteria/rules then I imagine I would have heard about that by now.
Given the outlets they include I imagine their lists of outlets are based on stuff like whether they appear to be an actual outlet, if they publish reviews every X period, if they spam or something like that.
Either way, given the range of outlets on there they’re not excluding outlets because of popularly (in certain circles) perceived notions of them being biased or ‘trolls’.
We’re still back to square one: MC isn’t going to remove outlets because of people’s opinions about them and that part of life is accepting that other people have different views and the freedom of speech to express them.
There’s no fair basis to exclude XboxEra or Sterling or anyone else anyone here has some petty bone to pick with.
I don’t understand this apparent craving to seek conformity. I will never understand it. I can live with outlier reviews. A lot of you apparently can’t.
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Topher
Gold Member
No....Steam reviews paint a more accurate picture since the purchases are all verified. Metacritic users reviews are worthless. We have seen that time and time again.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Context is important in this case.
PlayMagazine hasn't been publishing reviews for years now, if I'm not mistaken. So you can take that one out as well. The rest hardly gives any unfair high scores to PlayStatio n games -- unlike those Xbox centric websites and how they favor XGS games unfairly.
Here are a few examples; I took images of the first 2 Sony games I could spot on each reviewer's profile.
Look at how their critic review scores match the avg. metacritic score. Sometimes they are even lower than the avg. score. This isn't the case with Xbox-centric websites.
MeuPlayStation
Psxbrasil
PSU
LaPS4
Push Square
PSX Extreme
PlayStation Lifestyle
GHG
Gold Member
Scraping the barrel here.
Not seeing the last time they reviewed a Playstation exclusive here:
PlayStation Country Profile - Metacritic
Read what PlayStation Country had to say at Metacritic.com
www.metacritic.com
Same goes for play magazine:
Play Magazine Profile - Metacritic
Read what Play Magazine had to say at Metacritic.com
www.metacritic.com
In term of active reviewers in I'm seeing less than 8 for PlayStation and more than 10 for Xbox.
Draugoth
Gold Member
Good point.
SEGAvangelist
Member
While this game isn't putting out BG3 scores, it's scoring as high or higher than some of the top Sony exclusives. I think that's pretty good for the future console war discussions. Bravo, Xbox.
Topher
Gold Member
Context is important in this case.
PlayMagazine hasn't been publishing reviews for years now, if I'm not mistaken. So you can take that one out as well. The rest hardly gives any unfair high scores to PlayStatio n games -- unlike those Xbox centric websites and how they favor XGS games unfairly.
Here are a few examples; I took images of the first 2 Sony games I could spot on each reviewer's profile.
Look at how their critic review scores match the avg. metacritic score. Sometimes they are even lower than the avg. score. This isn't the case with Xbox-centric websites.
MeuPlayStation
Psxbrasil
PSU
LaPS4
Push Square
PSX Extreme
PlayStation Lifestyle
Days Gone had a metacritic of 71. Obviously I'm being selective here. Kind of my point though.
Halo Infinite had a metacritic of 87.
I'm going to drop this line of argument because frankly, I think it is useless. I said this when it was brought up and used against God of War: R. I will say the same when it will inevitably be brought up and used against Spider-man 2.
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Zathalus
Member
You can paint any narrative you want if you pick and choose your games.Context is important in this case.
PlayMagazine hasn't been publishing reviews for years now, if I'm not mistaken. So you can take that one out as well. The rest hardly gives any unfair high scores to PlayStatio n games -- unlike those Xbox centric websites and how they favor XGS games unfairly.
Here are a few examples; I took images of the first 2 Sony games I could spot on each reviewer's profile.
Look at how their critic review scores match the avg. metacritic score. Sometimes they are even lower than the avg. score. This isn't the case with Xbox-centric websites.
MeuPlayStation
Psxbrasil
PSU
LaPS4
Push Square
PSX Extreme
PlayStation Lifestyle
Most Xbox centric sites gave Redfall a 6 oor 7 out of 10. With one even giving it a 4/10. Pure Xbox actually gave Forza Horizon 5 one of its lowest recieved scores as well.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Having played Day's Gone (on the PS5 mind you) that game was far from a 71. We all know the social cuntraversy that surrounded that one. One of my favorite games of last gen, even if I was super LTTP.Days Gone had a metacritic of 71. Obviously I'm being selective here. Kind of my point though.
Halo Infinite had a metacritic of 87.
I'm going to drop this line of argument because frankly, I think it is useless. I said this when it was brought up and used against God of War: R. I will say the same when it will inevitably be brought up and used against Spider-man 2.
GHG
Gold Member
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Bogroll
Likes moldy games
I agree that's how it should be done, but I find it hard to believe that 89 out of 94 reviews are 90+. Are turn based games that popular and 95% of review sites love them. I'd have thought 50/50 of liking turned based games.
It must just be me.
SEGAvangelist
Member
This is why it is a pointless waste of time to say that this outlet or the outlet needs to be excluded because of bias. A view that is arrived at because of personal bias.
There’s no point people here pulling their hair out about these aggregated scores reflecting many many outlets because they include a few they don’t like for some reason.
Sorry, but just mentally discount XboxEra or whoever and move on.
It’s ridiculous to treat aggregate scores like they can be purified like water and that purity be scientifically measured, especially when the website uses weighting and weighting on criteria that it does not disclose!
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Sorry if posted already since this Tweet is over a week old but is IGN trying to prove something after so many attacked them over their Starfield review?
Is this a "We really do like Xbox" Tweet?
Is this a "We really do like Xbox" Tweet?
GHG
Gold Member
No, much of the criticism was "social justice" related.
SEGAvangelist
Member
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I’d probably give it an 8/10. Solid open world formula that did nothing new except for the zombie mobs. I can see people giving it a 7/10.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
IGN and Kotaku Writers Complain About Days Gone's "White" Protagonist
IGN and Kotaku writers criticize Sony's upcoming Days Gone zombie game over the protagonist's race and gender.
boundingintocomics.com
Here's a tweet from the person who reviewed Days Gone on Gamespot - PlayStation 4
For PlayStation 4 on the PlayStation 4, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Here's a tweet from the person who reviewed Days Gone on Gamespot".
gamefaqs.gamespot.com
I think a lot used excuses they otherwise excuse other games of having (performance, etc.). Their social media's told all.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Yes. They even did a interview with the reviewer to defend the score that day. It was pathetic.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
BrunoCoel
Member
A 7 for redfall? Incredible. Truly an Xbox fansite.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That's exactly what it is. Funny, considering they employ Ryan and Destin who go hard in the paint for anything MS/Xbox.
Topher
Gold Member
And that's fine, but my point was that it is easy to find examples that fit any single narrative. Above we were given examples of scores that merely 7 points below the metacritic.
Just like this one but in the other direction. Ghost of Tsushima has a metacritic of 83.
What did I just prove? Next to nothing. That's my point.