I consider it canon for the simple fact that as far as I remember there isn't anything that really contradicts it outside of, as I said in the Star Wars OT, Grievous' cough.
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I consider it canon for the simple fact that as far as I remember there isn't anything that really contradicts it outside of, as I said in the Star Wars OT, Grievous' cough.
There are a couple of plot holes specially concerning Grievous. But it works with some mental gymnastics
The knighting ceremony will always be canon for me.
Also, 2D!Padme's hot ass.
Darth Karja
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Can you give me a source for this? I keep up on this stuff pretty well but I haven't heard that. I didn't go to celebration so that might be it.
Red Mage
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While I am fine with the prequels being canon, they're still objectively poor films.
CloudyTuba
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I didnt like TFU2 but I loved the first one. Starkiller is canon to me in some way or another.
It's all make believe anyway so I can choose what I want for myself.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Well it has big numbers but realistically there are like a dozen named planets that most stuff keeps happening on with random single-use worlds scattered throughout for flavour. For a backwater world in the outer rim of no consequence a shocking number of things have happened on Tatooine for example. Honestly I wouldn't mind so much if most of these places weren't mostly single biome planets. Coruscant is city planet, Tatooine is the desert planet, Hoth is the ice planet, Endor is the forest moon etc. Shockingly, Naboo is probably one of the most well realised places we've seen. Since we have to go to so many planets usually, each one needs to be memorable and have one very distinctive trait. Common SF trope, opting for large geographical scale over more intimate settings that would, in reality, be highly diverse.
Bobby Roberts
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No doubt. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Jakku in the Force Awakens was Tatooine at one point until someone was like "You know what? A TON of shit keeps happening on this rock at the ass-end of space. Maybe it should be a completely different planet,"
tiggerkiddo
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That's unfortunate but oh well, it is what it is.
Warm Machine
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It is simply because single biomes look alien without any work. Water, ice, sand, rock, clouds, are prevalent in the galaxy. It takes no stage dressing to make it believable as an alien world. Really it is part of the efficiencies of film making. You can have a cloud scape and jam a single environment within it and it sells. You could drag a camera out to the salt flats and call it a alien planet if it had a few extras as aliens standing around and a ship sitting on the horizon.
I'm surprised so many people come to that conclusion but A New Hope sets it all up that the prequels were going there.
Bobby Roberts
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What conclusion? The one I made about how Jakku came to be Jakku? That's just a guess, not really based on anything, but it seems plausible enough.
A ton of shit happening on Tatooine isn't a conclusion, it's observable fact. It shouldn't be a surprise that people notice it.
Rex Griswold
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Clearly KotOR I and II were axed so they could be reintroduced as remakes in the video game world, and movies based around them in the film world. Same thing with axing Jerec, Kyle, Jan and the rest of the Dark Foces series.
You want my fucking money don't you Disney?
Bobby Roberts
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Disney's not really making these decisions. Lucasfilm are.
It's really weird how that particular narrative stuck so much harder on Lucasfilm than it did with Marvel. It was around Marvel for a little bit after Disney's purchase - but nobody really cites Disney as being a huge decisionmaking force in anything Marvel does anymore. They reference them as reaping the rewards, definitely - but when something happens at Marvel, nobody really goes "Well, Disney!"
But whenever ANYTHING happens regarding Star Wars, it's as if Lucasfilm itself doesn't even exist. It's all Disney.
I wonder if it's that people are so used to thinking of anything Star Wars as being singularly the work of George Lucas and nothing but, that it's easier to replace him in their minds with an entity as singular and huge (moreso) in the public consciousness.
Then again, the narrative kinda receded once Marvel's movies started landing - maybe once the movie is out and Kennedy/Kasdan/Abrams start having to be out front more, people will shift towards recognizing them as the power structure in charge more, as opposed to just laying almost everything Lucasfilm related at Disney's feet.
It's really weird how that particular narrative stuck so much harder on Lucasfilm than it did with Marvel. It was around Marvel for a little bit after Disney's purchase - but nobody really cites Disney as being a huge decisionmaking force in anything Marvel does anymore. They reference them as reaping the rewards, definitely - but when something happens at Marvel, nobody really goes "Well, Disney!"
But whenever ANYTHING happens regarding Star Wars, it's as if Lucasfilm itself doesn't even exist. It's all Disney.
I wonder if it's that people are so used to thinking of anything Star Wars as being singularly the work of George Lucas and nothing but, that it's easier to replace him in their minds with an entity as singular and huge (moreso) in the public consciousness.
Then again, the narrative kinda receded once Marvel's movies started landing - maybe once the movie is out and Kennedy/Kasdan/Abrams start having to be out front more, people will shift towards recognizing them as the power structure in charge more, as opposed to just laying almost everything Lucasfilm related at Disney's feet.
CadetMahoney
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travesty ewok filma are not canon
EWOK films > prequels
EWOK films > prequels
ThoseDeafMutes
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Go there once or twice, maybe. Phantom Menace spending 1/3 of the movie there was totally unnecessary. Actually PM in general is an unnecessary film, we don't really need to know Annakin's early life to such an extent and could easily have started as him being an apprentice Jedi Knight. But whatever. It then returns in both subsequent prequel films. And then appeared in the Clone Wars animated movie. And then appeared in no fewer than 11 episodes of Star Wars: The Clone Wars (according to Wookiepedia; counting flashbacks but not counting "mentions"). Also appears in at least one of the new canon novels.
That's just counting what is now canon after the great EU purge. If you want the full list to see how hilariously overrepresented it is, see this article.
Reminds me of this Stargate episode where a couple of characters ended up accidentally jumping to a planet that they didn't know, and assumed it was some kind of "ice planet."
Turns out they were just in Antarctica.
ThoseDeafMutes
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STUCK ON A GLACIER WITH MCGUYVER!
Don't mistake your own personal bias for fact, cheebs.
Force Unleashed is non-canon and never coming back. Rebels is changing the origin of the Rebel Alliance than what was in those old games.
Honestly, TFU did well, sold well and received fairly good reviews. TFU 2 was the problem? Might we ever get a TFU 3? maybe not. See Starkiller again? I bet money we will. Dat Boyega bump.
Rebels is still a fair amount of time before TFU, so nothing overlaps. Hell, the only "retcon" is the Rebel logo origin. Organa makes it clear there are other rebel cells out there, who is to say that a certain soon to be blind Jedi master isn't behind one of them.
Truth is though OP, you missing out on a lot of great content if you only chase "Canon."
Actually TOR was the big nope, as well it should be.
The story group had no immediate plans to go to that time period at the moment.
That said, people are fooling themselves if they don't think another KotOR is on the way, it might not be followed by a "3" but it's no doubt coming. There have been too many hints to ignore. EA knows the brand power and BioWare's involvement. It's only really a matter of time.
JimiNutz
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Really enjoying the new Star Wars comics so far, particularly the excellent Darth Vader series.
High hopes for the upcoming Lando comics.
I definitely want to read these but don't like reading comics one issue at a time.
Have any of the Marvel comics been collected into trade paperback/hardcover editions yet?
Edit: Also, are these comics canon since they don't appear in that timeline picture posted earlier?
WadiumArcadium
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The first trade paperbacks of Star Wars, Vade, Leia and Kanan are coming out in the autumn/winter.
And yes, all the Marvel comics since Disney bought LucasFilm are canon. The timeline I made from the Star Wars OT:
Blue Ninja
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They reintroduced Sev from Republic Commando in one of the Clone Wars episodes, if I'm not mistaken. So at least the characters from Republic Commando appear to be back in.
StanleyPalmtree
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this is the only star wars canon i need.
The Cgi clone wars is cannon? I heard the series is great..but that's surprising wtf.
ExigentContact
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TCW was the final Star Wars project spearheaded with heavy involvement from George Lucas. He exercised a lot of creative control over it and its plot so it sort of represents the last words on Star Wars from its original creator. Filoni and crew's writing probably turned a lot of it from prequel style trainwreck into compelling material.
Thankfully, a lot of concepts he brought up in the series are interesting and try to reconcile the more philosophical questions in the universe without answering too much. Unfortunately the show is over so we're left with perhaps too many questions.
The Elite
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I still see books from before the new canon without the Legends banner. They have probably been sitting on shelves collecting dust and the retailer hasn't bothered to send them back.
I have noticed new canon books have "A Long Time Ago in a Galaxy Far, Far Away..." above the Star Wars logo.
I could totally see KOTOR re-enter the canon someday. It's popular, it's current thanks to TOR and it's developed by EA. If they have any plans to release a new one in the future I really can't see them release it under the legends banner and I'd expect such a release to canonize the previous games along with it.
Anyway, I still haven't checked out any of the new comics or books, anything recommended? I'll admit I haven't read much expended universe content in general and I'm sure there's some great stuff in there but the recent cleanup makes the current releases way more appealing to me to be honest.
Anyway, I still haven't checked out any of the new comics or books, anything recommended? I'll admit I haven't read much expended universe content in general and I'm sure there's some great stuff in there but the recent cleanup makes the current releases way more appealing to me to be honest.
The Elite
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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Republic/Canon
I think Tarkin talks about the age of the Clone Wars galactic republic in his book.
I am not sure where the "old republic" stuff comes from though but that is the Star Wars wiki Canon page.
Edit: According to the wiki the "Old Republic" was mentioned in a Clone Wars episode. I don't recall that but it's been a long time.
Of course, that doesn't mean all of the characters associated with the Old Republic are suddenly canon. I would still love to see at least some of it reinstated.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I thought "The Old Republic" was just the republic we saw in the prequels. Like, people in the OT Era would refer to it as that.
I guess you could just say it's short hand for "the early days of the republic".
I guess you could just say it's short hand for "the early days of the republic".
ImpalingNarwhal
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Eh, canon or not, there are too many EU books that are still great.
JimiNutz
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The first trade paperbacks of Star Wars, Vade, Leia and Kanan are coming out in the autumn/winter.
And yes, all the Marvel comics since Disney bought LucasFilm are canon. The timeline I made from the Star Wars OT:
Thanks for the updated timeline pic.
Gonna sink my teeth into the comics/novels once I've finished watching The Clone Wars show.
Its a own era that ended with the Sith Wars and Lord Bane's survival. Technically still the same Republic, but a lot of things changed in the time span it ran.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Republic_era
The Prequels start after that.
BattleMonkey
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The old republic stuff is not clearly defined yet. At celebration the story group panel was asked about the old republic stuff and they essentially said it's not a period they currently are touching upon.
One can assume they will bring back some of the concepts eventually, in EP3 the stone mural hanging in Palpatine's office depicts the Great Hyperspace War, an EU event. But again the slate is clean, they will rewrite and do with the universe as they will, they already tossed it all under the bus.
One can assume they will bring back some of the concepts eventually, in EP3 the stone mural hanging in Palpatine's office depicts the Great Hyperspace War, an EU event. But again the slate is clean, they will rewrite and do with the universe as they will, they already tossed it all under the bus.
Clone Wars by Genndy Tartakovsky is my canon of the Clone Wars.
Then the movies and Rebels, haven't seen much of the 3D CGI Clone Wars series, maybe should give it a shot.
This being one of the reasons why.Fuck what Disney says, Mace Windu went Kenshiro on Droids, the 2D animated series is canon due to that alone. Not discrediting it's other great moments, but damn if Mace Windu going Kenshiro on droids is not the greatest thing in cartoon-dom.
Also this
Then the movies and Rebels, haven't seen much of the 3D CGI Clone Wars series, maybe should give it a shot.
Jawmuncher
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Shame the cartoon was pretty badass. Especially for Greivous.
It's always chuckles me how Death Stars might laser beam is meant for planetary annihilation but ended up useless since fleet eradicator would be much more useful.
That's what it originally was. The new retcon is that there was an Old Republic that existed prior to the prequels, collapsed at some point, and was reformed as the Republic you see in I-III.
So if you want to call the prequels' Republic "the Old Republic," that would make the previous government the Old Old Republic.
You're not mistaken, but I always wondered if that meant Sev survived, or if that scene was set before the events of Republic Commando. Does anyone know if it was clarified in the episode itself?
Shotgun Kiss
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As soon as Thrawn was no longer considered canon, I stopped giving two fucks.
It's not like he can't come back in a different form and story. It was impossible to keep the thrawn trilogy. Leia isn't having twins of Jania and Jacen like in Thrawn.
I'd love to see a Revan trilogy:
Part 1: The Mandalorian Wars, end with Revan falling to the Dark Side
Part 2: Darth Revan invades the Republic, end with the Bastila/Revan duel
Part 3: KOTOR, the movie
I think it would work really well.
I thought I read somewhere that while designing the character, they actually used Revan's mask as a temporary placeholder or something.
Yes, this is what TCW and the Tarkin novel imply. Some long time ago, there was a Republic established by the Core Worlds that was in alliance with the Jedi. The Republic fell and the Sith conquered the galaxy (during this period as well, the Mandalorians raided the Jedi Temple and stole the darksaber), but 1,000 years before the story begins the Sith were wiped out and the Republic was re-established as the Galactic Republic, growing from just a core Republic to encompassing the entire galaxy, probably due to the people across the galaxy uniting to oppose the Sith.
In TCW that's what they refer to as the Old Republic, but by the time of ANH it appears that people think of the Galactic Republic not as a separate entity but as a continuation/re-establishment of it, so it also gets referred to as the Old Republic by Ben and Tarkin.
It's hard to argue against the blindingly obvious, that most of the EU wasn't worth the effort to save for a company with the ambitions of Disney. They already have a template for dealing with this sort of cruft with the MCU, and they'd be fools not to walk that road.
But if Katarn, Thrawn, and the entire Old Republic setting could find their way back, that'd be super.
But if Katarn, Thrawn, and the entire Old Republic setting could find their way back, that'd be super.
Gameboy415
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Cool, should be out sometime in the mid 1980s then!
The first trade paperbacks of Star Wars, Vade, Leia and Kanan are coming out in the autumn/winter.
And yes, all the Marvel comics since Disney bought LucasFilm are canon. The timeline I made from the Star Wars OT:
This is a great list, thanks for sharing!
I'm definitely going to pick up all of the trades as they're released.
Have any of you read the novels that are currently out? What did you think?
I still can't decide if I want to track down First Edition hardcovers of each book, get them on my Kindle, or get both! haha
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