Fantastical
Death Prophet
What are the specs on the client and server computers. I don't think those warnings indicate a bottleneck involving the network.
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Steam In-home Streaming Officially Released
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Pejo
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Holy shit, I didn't even realize this was a thing until i glanced and saw this thread pass by. I got everything up and running and i was getting an incredibly solid experience with Metro Last Light on my 3 year old HP Touchsmart laying in bed. How the hell this snuck up on me, i have no idea.
Oh man, this makes my idea to buy a Surface Pro 3 even more appetizing.....I must continue to play with this.
Oh man, this makes my idea to buy a Surface Pro 3 even more appetizing.....I must continue to play with this.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
It's a pretty capable mid-range with my amd fx4170 processor being the weakest link, streaming to a recent Mac Mini.
I have had a bad experience with wireless AC so far, but I think it's some interference (oddly).
Having always been disappointed in the HomePlug stuff, I picked up a TP-Link 600Mb/s AV2 kit and it's absolutely amazing. I'm sure these are still very much YMMV but I'm completely impressed.
In a completely random bit of good luck, after my impulse buy I actually researched these and they seem quite well regarded.
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/32454-tp-link-homeplug-head-to-head
Pejo
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So I just fired up some Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed, Rayman Legends, Splinter Cell Blacklist, Dark Souls 2, Super SFIV AE, BlazBlue, and a few other games I had installed on my gaming PC, streamed them to my laptop with a mid range Belkin router. The gaming PC is wired into the router, laptop wireless G. Was using headphones too, on the laptop.
Wow what an awesome...awesome feature. it's probably just because of the better pixel density on my laptop screen but those games looked amazing. I didn't notice a bit of artifacting which is better than I even get in the same room from PS4 to Vita. I had the audio lose stereo a for a few seconds here and there, (only about 3 times total during my playtime) but otherwise a really great experience. I even plugged in my wired x360 controller into my laptop and was able to perform combos with no input lag issues on BlazBlue, didn't notice any lag on a single game that I played.
I'm still blown away that I just found out about this feature, and that it was given totally free of charge. This is a major game changer for me.
Wow what an awesome...awesome feature. it's probably just because of the better pixel density on my laptop screen but those games looked amazing. I didn't notice a bit of artifacting which is better than I even get in the same room from PS4 to Vita. I had the audio lose stereo a for a few seconds here and there, (only about 3 times total during my playtime) but otherwise a really great experience. I even plugged in my wired x360 controller into my laptop and was able to perform combos with no input lag issues on BlazBlue, didn't notice any lag on a single game that I played.
I'm still blown away that I just found out about this feature, and that it was given totally free of charge. This is a major game changer for me.
StAidan
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I've been messing around quite a bit with finding the optimal home streaming setup with my hardware. The LAN requirement is a problem in my house, but I've experimented with very long ethernet cables and powerline adapters.
So far, I seem to get the best performance out of an 8-port gigabit switch (not router) that I was able to procure -- I tried a gigabit Netgear router and got considerably worse frame loss (15% vs. 0%) using that. I don't know whether it's just unoptimized firmware or what. Seems kind of silly that I'd have to use the switch for home streaming and the router for internet access, but whatever, I guess.
Input / display lag is also better over the powerline adapters than over a long ethernet cable alone, strangely enough. But even with all this experimentation, I'm still pretty much stuck with 720p @ 30fps streaming because the actual streaming box that's connected to my TV is a laptop with a 100mbps NIC. I've thought about trying a gigabit expresscard in it, but I'd have to buy one, which I'm hesitant to do without any guarantee in outcome.
So far, I seem to get the best performance out of an 8-port gigabit switch (not router) that I was able to procure -- I tried a gigabit Netgear router and got considerably worse frame loss (15% vs. 0%) using that. I don't know whether it's just unoptimized firmware or what. Seems kind of silly that I'd have to use the switch for home streaming and the router for internet access, but whatever, I guess.
Input / display lag is also better over the powerline adapters than over a long ethernet cable alone, strangely enough. But even with all this experimentation, I'm still pretty much stuck with 720p @ 30fps streaming because the actual streaming box that's connected to my TV is a laptop with a 100mbps NIC. I've thought about trying a gigabit expresscard in it, but I'd have to buy one, which I'm hesitant to do without any guarantee in outcome.
ashecitism
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So Im getting a constant "slow capture" on my streaming client. Not sure if this is due to hardware or network...
My Setup:
Router: WRT54G2 v1
Host: Windows 8.1 / i7 / 8GB RAM / GTX 760 2GB (337.88 drvers) / wired connection @ 100 Mbps
Client: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS / i5 / shows 5.7 GB RAM / Intel HD 3000 / wired connection @ 100 Mbps
My Setup:
Router: WRT54G2 v1
Host: Windows 8.1 / i7 / 8GB RAM / GTX 760 2GB (337.88 drvers) / wired connection @ 100 Mbps
Client: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS / i5 / shows 5.7 GB RAM / Intel HD 3000 / wired connection @ 100 Mbps
I was getting the same using a Linux client. Switching back to Windows made that error go away.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Do you think this device would be capable of 60 FPS @ 1080p?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KU54KPQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Looks like the cheapest device I can find. Way cheaper than NUC when considering the HDD+RAM is included and Windows 8 included.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KU54KPQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Looks like the cheapest device I can find. Way cheaper than NUC when considering the HDD+RAM is included and Windows 8 included.
I have this NUC:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HVKLSVC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
While you're right that the item you linked is cheaper, the CPU in the ASUS is far slower. I feel like mine can *barely* handle streaming smoothly.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
So that model does 1080p60?
ashecitism
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Dr. Benton Quest
Banned
Streaming games to my Dell Venue Pro 8 while laying in bed is a magical experience. The future is now.
twdnewh_k
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My client is a intel NUC equipped with a haswell i5 and 8gb of ram.
My Host is running an i7 930, GTX 680 and 6gb ram.
All connected using gigabit.
Based on lots of testing I have realized that the experience depends on quite a few things:
- Resolution (biggest difference)
- The game itself
- Graphics settings
- Network (of course)
I am able to go 1080p 60fps on many games. In some cases I lower the graphic settings, but some games just player better than others even if they are less demanding.
My Host is running an i7 930, GTX 680 and 6gb ram.
All connected using gigabit.
Based on lots of testing I have realized that the experience depends on quite a few things:
- Resolution (biggest difference)
- The game itself
- Graphics settings
- Network (of course)
I am able to go 1080p 60fps on many games. In some cases I lower the graphic settings, but some games just player better than others even if they are less demanding.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I bought an i3 NUC. Hopefully 1080p will work with games, but I'm ready for 720p60 if they don't. Should come in the mail today! Excited to try it out.
ashecitism
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zephervack
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Incredible, just tried my first 2 player co op Streaming game, via Trine 2, and it works just fine with 2 different gamepads and they both support rumble!!!
Only problem is that Trine 2 seems to crash after playing for like 15 minutes, I just get an "Unhandled Exception" error on the server and the client gets frozen, no idea if Streaming is doing it.
Only problem is that Trine 2 seems to crash after playing for like 15 minutes, I just get an "Unhandled Exception" error on the server and the client gets frozen, no idea if Streaming is doing it.
ashecitism
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alexandros
Banned
I really need an Android client for streaming 
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Do both host client need to be on beta for things to work better? I'm on non beta right now on both machines.
ashecitism
Member
Yes. Using the beta branch won't neccessarily make it better though. Some people are having problems with it.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
As I thought. I get random network prompts but it runs well overall.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
What version do you have? Regardless, it should definitely work. It does not take much power to stream. I imagine 1080p60 is out of the question, especially because I don't believe MBA have Ethernet, but definitely give it a shot. It takes almost nothing to get it running.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I think you'll be surprised by how well it works. In the client options for In Home Streaming, select "Limit resolution to Desktop Resolution". I bet you get close to 60FPS depending on the quality of your WiFi. Not an expert, but I don't see why it wouldn't. The air is powerful enough.
ashecitism
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ashecitism
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Yep, that's the idea.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
This feature is so damn awesome. I play on both my computer and my TV. I have an i5 2500k and 560 Ti 448 Cores, but I think I need something a bit more powerful to stream at 1080p? I sometimes get 60 FPS, but when things get crazy on screen I drop to 30 FPS, even though normally I don't drop down to that when not streaming. This indicates an issue on the host machine, right? I guess I need to try doing 1080p but turning graphical settings all the way down.
ashecitism
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for people wondering about AMD encoding
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/homestream/discussions/3/34093781548950678/#c34095684518023952
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/homestream/discussions/3/34093781548950678/#c34095684518023952
I'm in love with in-home streaming, as I no longer have to look for a beefy and expensive gaming laptop to use in the living room.
Right now I'm looking for parts to use to build a mATX host to connect to a 4K TV and to stream from. Nvidia also supports 4K on GTX650+ GPUs, so this allows me to play older games in 4K directly on the TV, or stream (the majority of the time) @ 1080p 60fps to a laptop when I'm sitting on the couch.
The host machine is pretty much done on paper, but I don't have any experience with laptops acting as a client. I'm not entirely sure if I can connect a laptop with ethernet from my couch, but using a powerline adapter is an option (more stable than wifi, so prefered I guess?). Would a laptop with a low-end dedicated GPU be preferred to act as client, or will an internal GPU work just as well, seeing that the host GPU will take care of the hardware encoding?
Right now I'm looking for parts to use to build a mATX host to connect to a 4K TV and to stream from. Nvidia also supports 4K on GTX650+ GPUs, so this allows me to play older games in 4K directly on the TV, or stream (the majority of the time) @ 1080p 60fps to a laptop when I'm sitting on the couch.
The host machine is pretty much done on paper, but I don't have any experience with laptops acting as a client. I'm not entirely sure if I can connect a laptop with ethernet from my couch, but using a powerline adapter is an option (more stable than wifi, so prefered I guess?). Would a laptop with a low-end dedicated GPU be preferred to act as client, or will an internal GPU work just as well, seeing that the host GPU will take care of the hardware encoding?
Xbox 360 wired or wireless with MS Wireless receiver
DS3 wired or Bluetooth
DS4 wired or Bluetooth
Xbox One wired only for now
killdatninja
Banned
Yes, you can use SCP or motionjoy. I recommend going the SCP route as motionjoy is just a terribly written program (memory leaks, the interface just looks bad and it's loaded with ad's).
The only caveat with either is that games will display the 360 buttons (as the DS3/4 isn't supported), this can confuse some people but it's not a big deal to me.
http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-XInput-Wrapper-for-DS3-and-Play-com-USB-Dual-DS2-Controller
ashecitism
Member
I don't think you necessarily need one with a discrete GPU for the client. Valve have implemented Intel decoding and I saw good opinions about it. Though most if it was on linux. I'm not an expert though, so can't recommend which model would be sufficient for it.
This is a case where I suspect an i7 2700k would've made a huge difference when it normally didn't. Never mind that nVidia and I think AMD optimized newer hardware for streaming, but I'm not sure if that's directly relevant for Steam or if it's just for something like Shield and Shadowplay.
ashecitism
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Hmm, yeah Nvidia encoding starts from the 600 series I think, don't know which model (660Ti ?). And yes it's also relevant to Steam streaming, not just Nvidia's stuff.
indigo-cyclops
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I'll just add my general input and say that in-home streaming via Steam is fucking fantastic. There's been a few weird issues with games not starting up but for the most part being able to play games on my laptop when I don't feel like using my desktop is sweet.
So my 'server' would do the hardware encoding using a GTX770, whilst my 'client' (laptop to be bought) would use Intel's hardware decoding without the need for a dedicated GPU?
That would be great, as it would lower the costs of the laptop. Still want a good quality screen on it, as I'll be using it often to play the streamed games on, but not including a beefy GPU will save me roughly 300usd.
Since a month or so Steam supports hardware encoding for Nvidia GPUs (GTX650 and above).
ashecitism
Member
The beta branch has Nvidia encoding/decoding implemented.
Yes, but again I don't know which models would be really good for it. I know Bay Trail gets mentioned a lot (oh wait a minute, isn't that tablets only?)
Bay Trail are those new low-energy CPU's from Intel if I'm correct. Don't see how they help when it comes to good performance, except if battery life is important to you during your game sessions.
I'll do some more research before picking a new laptop. It's hard enough as it is to find one with a quality screen (preferably IPS), but without a high end mobile GPU.
I'll do some more research before picking a new laptop. It's hard enough as it is to find one with a quality screen (preferably IPS), but without a high end mobile GPU.
ashecitism
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