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MesserWolf said:
the picture looks legit to me.... It is exactly how a terminal patient of cancer looks like.

Jobs wouldn't have resigned in the first place unless he was in such terrible condition.


Really terrible ... I think now I'll go and do a small donation to some research institution. I really hope that treatment for such a terrible condition improve as fast as it is possible.
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Pretty much, there's no cure for pancreatic cancer and that's after he had a liver transplant due to liver cancer, he should have resigned earlier so he can enjoy however short time he has left on this earth.
 
ProfessorMoran said:
Pretty much, there's no cure for pancreatic cancer and that's after he had a liver transplant due to liver cancer, he should have resigned earlier so he can enjoy however short time he has left on this earth.
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He probably enjoyed being CEO of Apple.
 
ProfessorMoran said:
Pretty much, there's no cure for pancreatic cancer and that's after he had a liver transplant due to liver cancer, he should have resigned earlier so he can enjoy however short time he has left on this earth.
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resign to do what ? he was already doing what he wanted to do :

men like Jobs enjoy their work, and Apple is his company, his legacy, his baby, his passion.


Plus a very ill person can be happier by keeping himself occupied, distracted from the suffering.
 
BLagiver said:
What cancer organizations is he going to give some of his money to, to further cancer research and help those without big money bags like him to get through something likes this?
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I'm actually really interested in this. Personally, I would've been more impressed with Jobs had he spent even a fraction of his time helping further cancer research or awareness through the force of his celebrity and wealth (ie - Lance Armstrong. someone who, by most accounts, is also a douche, but has worked and given tirelessly to raise money and awareness for cancer research). As is, he only came out in favor of reforming transplant waiting lists after using his celebrity and wealth both to cut his time and the rationale for receiving a new liver.

I'm assuming the pancreatic cancer that metastasized to his old liver, which was why he needed a new one. How is that a smart use of resources considering the highly likely chance that it would spread again? especially if he'd the be given immuno-suppressant drugs that have also been linked to higher incidences of cancer.
 
scorcho said:
I'm actually really interested in this. Personally, I would've been more impressed with Jobs had he spent even a fraction of his time helping further cancer research or awareness through the force of his celebrity and wealth (ie - Lance Armstrong. someone who, by most accounts, is also a douche, but has worked and given tirelessly to raise money and awareness for cancer research). As is, he only came out in favor of reforming transplant waiting lists after using his celebrity and wealth both to cut his time and the rationale for receiving a new liver.

I'm assuming the pancreatic cancer that metastasized to his old liver, which was why he needed a new one. How is that a smart use of resources considering the highly likely chance that it would spread again?
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Isn't it possible that he does but simply doesn't publicize it? Nintendo did lots of things for Japan's tsunami relief this past year but it never released any information to the press about it. It only surfaced after the fact and through outlets/people who told their story.
 
RaidenZR said:
Isn't it possible that he does but simply doesn't publicize it? Nintendo did lots of things for Japan's tsunami relief this past year but it never released any information to the press about it. It only surfaced after the fact and through outlets/people who told their story.
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How would Jobs use his celebrity to help cancer causes without anyone knowing about it?
 
water_wendi said:
How would Jobs use his celebrity to help cancer causes without anyone knowing about it?
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Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that he's secretly using his celebrity and spotlight power, I just meant it's entirely possible that he does use his wallet without the world knowing.
 
scorcho said:
I'm actually really interested in this. Personally, I would've been more impressed with Jobs had he spent even a fraction of his time helping further cancer research or awareness through the force of his celebrity and wealth (ie - Lance Armstrong. someone who, by most accounts, is also a douche, but has worked and given tirelessly to raise money and awareness for cancer research). As is, he only came out in favor of reforming transplant waiting lists after using his celebrity and wealth both to cut his time and the rationale for receiving a new liver.

I'm assuming the pancreatic cancer that metastasized to his old liver, which was why he needed a new one. How is that a smart use of resources considering the highly likely chance that it would spread again? especially if he'd the be given immuno-suppressant drugs that have also been linked to higher incidences of cancer.
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How did he use his celebrity to shorten wait times and the rationale for the new liver?

The only thing we know about why he needed a new liver was his statement at the press conference for the new organ donor law--he said he could have died. Without further information, speculating on his "rationale" and then implying that it was a poor use of resources is just poor taste.

He used his wealth to list in other states that didn't have California's problems with organ donation and privately pushed for a change to how California managed organ donations (by privately contacting California politicians and Schwarzenegger's wife), so that less wealthy people wouldn't have to resort to his methods in trying to obtain an organ.

I don't begrudge his use of wealth the same way I don't take issue with people that use private insurance or private funds for medical treatment instead of counting on Medicaid and EMTALA.
 
RaidenZR said:
Yeah I didn't mean that it's possible he's secretly using his celebrity and spotlight power, I just meant it's entirely possible that he does use his wallet without the world knowing.
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i remain skeptical that he is donating behind the scenes. i might be completely wrong and Jobs might be donating huge sums of money to many different charities. If thats the case, its a shame it wasnt public because moves like that inspire other wealthy people to do the same. Steve Jobs has enough fame and celebrity to really get things moving and its seemingly wasted.
 
water_wendi said:
i remain skeptical that he is donating behind the scenes. i might be completely wrong and Jobs might be donating huge sums of money to many different charities. If thats the case, its a shame it wasnt public because moves like that inspire other wealthy people to do the same. Steve Jobs has enough fame and celebrity to really get things moving and its seemingly wasted.
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He seems to keep a lot of his personal life private, though. A lot of isn't, simply because he cannot help it being the ex-CEO of a company with the success and the size of Apple.
 
scorcho said:
I'm actually really interested in this. Personally, I would've been more impressed with Jobs had he spent even a fraction of his time helping further cancer research or awareness through the force of his celebrity and wealth (ie - Lance Armstrong. someone who, by most accounts, is also a douche, but has worked and given tirelessly to raise money and awareness for cancer research). As is, he only came out in favor of reforming transplant waiting lists after using his celebrity and wealth both to cut his time and the rationale for receiving a new liver.

I'm assuming the pancreatic cancer that metastasized to his old liver, which was why he needed a new one. How is that a smart use of resources considering the highly likely chance that it would spread again? especially if he'd the be given immuno-suppressant drugs that have also been linked to higher incidences of cancer.
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I honestly have no idea on what charity he does or not but ....

I would challenge the idea that to be a great man you also need to be a kind hearted person or a generous person.

He is a businessman ... and in that he demonstrated his value. He revolutionized a lot of markets, sectors and ideas. I have no doubt that he is a shark .... but to be that great in the business sector you probably have to be .

For example a lot of artists, not to mention conquerors, explorers, politicians, were assholes, but that doesn’t change the fact that they were great men and that they have left a mark in our society and history

E.g.
Caravaggio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravaggio#Exile_and_death_.281606.E2.80.931610.29
 
numble said:
How did he use his celebrity to shorten wait times and the rationale for the new liver?

The only thing we know about why he needed a new liver was his statement at the press conference for the new organ donor law--he said he could have died. Without further information, speculating on his "rationale" and then implying that it was a poor use of resources is just poor taste.

He used his wealth to list in other states that didn't have California's problems with organ donation and privately pushed for a change to how California managed organ donations (by privately contacting California politicians and Schwarzenegger's wife), so that less wealthy people wouldn't have to resort to his methods in trying to obtain an organ.

I don't begrudge his use of wealth the same way I don't take issue with people that use private insurance or private funds for medical treatment instead of counting on Medicaid and EMTALA.
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He's Steve Jobs and he's wealthy. To say that he only used one while not the other is a bit pedantic since they essentially go hand-in-hand.

I'm also not seeing how speculating on the hows and whys he received his transplant is in poor taste. It cuts straight into the heart of what's wrong with health care in the US, and I'm sure many pancreatic cancer patients with involvement with the liver would be very interested in his case.

MesserWolf said:
I honestly have no idea on what charity he does or not but ....

I would challenge the idea that to be a great man you also need to be a kind hearted person or a generous person.
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I'm not saying he's not a great man or not a nice person, just that I wish he found it within himself to become an advocate for something other than Apple and 'the future of consumer technology' alone.
 
scorcho said:
He's Steve Jobs and he's wealthy. To say that he only used one while not the other is a bit pedantic since they essentially go hand-in-hand.

I'm also not seeing how speculating on the hows and whys he received his transplant is in poor taste. It cuts straight into the heart of what's wrong with health care in the US, and I'm sure many pancreatic cancer patients with involvement with the liver would be very interested in his case.


I'm not saying he's not a great man or not a nice person, just that I wish he found it within himself to become an advocate for something other than Apple and 'the future of consumer technology' alone.
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Maybe he'll leave some to Bill Gates' Foundation.
 
NinjaFridge said:
Maybe he'll leave some to Bill Gates' Foundation.
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doesn't look like it

http://givingpledge.org

edit: that's not specifically to do with the Bill Gates foundation. Just an agreement to leave their vast wealth to good causes. Maybe he's already doing that privately? I don't know. I hope so.
 
While I do feel sorry for his him due to his medical condition, I couldn't stand him or his products. I compare him and his iWare to Call of Duty. Fun and refreshing once (CoD4), boring yearly rehashes afterwards.
 
HollovVpo1nt said:
While I do feel sorry for his him due to his medical condition, I couldn't stand him or his products. I compare him and his iWare to Call of Duty. Fun and refreshing once (CoD4), boring yearly rehashes afterwards.
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Seems ridiculous to me. You don't need to upgrade every year. You would prefer they released product updates less frequently, then?

Anyone, I've ever met who claims to not be able to stand Apple products generally has never given them an honest chance, or is some hardcore linux guy who needs the ability to customize everything.
 
HollovVpo1nt said:
While I do feel sorry for his him due to his medical condition, I couldn't stand him or his products. I compare him and his iWare to Call of Duty. Fun and refreshing once (CoD4), boring yearly rehashes afterwards.
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Sound comparison, guy.
 
HollovVpo1nt said:
While I do feel sorry for his him due to his medical condition, I couldn't stand him or his products. I compare him and his iWare to Call of Duty. Fun and refreshing once (CoD4), boring yearly rehashes afterwards.
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If an idiot ever existed, it would be you.
 
HollovVpo1nt said:
While I do feel sorry for his him due to his medical condition, I couldn't stand him or his products. I compare him and his iWare to Call of Duty. Fun and refreshing once (CoD4), boring yearly rehashes afterwards.
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Wow.
 
Sad to see him step down, i know very little about Cook but i doubt he'll be anywhere near the visionary that Jobs has been for Apple & contemporary hardware/software design.

Great photo from 2 months ago.

http://500px.com/photo/875827

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Ryan Katsanes (photographer) said:
Just me, Steve Jobs and Intel executive John Doerr alone in a public garden near Jobs' house. It was a total coincidence that he was there, and I took the opportunity to capture the moment.
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Plus i found this on Dribbble which i liked:

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Zefah said:
Seems ridiculous to me. You don't need to upgrade every year. You would prefer they released product updates less frequently, then?

Anyone, I've ever met who claims to not be able to stand Apple products generally has never given them an honest chance, or is some hardcore linux guy who needs the ability to customize everything.
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I did not comment on how I thought upgrades should be handled. I commented on what I thought Apple was doing.

So... anyone who dislikes Apple products, who hasn't given it an 'honest' chance (whatever that might be) is a hardcore Linux guy? I have given it an honest chance. Gave the iPhone a chance and it did less and was slower than my own phone which I bought for much less money. Gave the MacBook a chance and I was really baffled by the fact it costs 50% more than a comparable notebook with the same specs. Gave the iMac a chance and it left me with the same feeling as with the MacBook.

I have to apologise though couse I loved my iPod 80GB. Not the touch variants.

And then there is the hype... the hype for a product that is not even announced yet. Whenever I enter an Apple store I feel like I'm surrounded by gay. All those 'desgn' frantic fashionistas... wow. I even study architectural engineering and a huge part of my study was architecture. I tried a Mac for design purposes and was left with even more questionmarks on the subject of Mac's beeing superior to other OS's in the design department (PhotoShop etc.). I can't beleive this myth is still alive.

In my eyes, iWare = Call of Duty. Same shit, different day and while people know it's the same shit on a different day, they keep buying it.
 
HollovVpo1nt said:
I did not comment on how I thought upgrades should be handled. I commented on what I thought Apple was doing.

So... anyone who dislikes Apple products, who hasn't given it an 'honest' chance (whatever that might be) is a hardcore Linux guy? I have given it an honest chance. Gave the iPhone a chance and it did less and was slower than my own phone which I bought for much less money. Gave the MacBook a chance and I was really baffled by the fact it costs 50% more than a comparable notebook with the same specs. Gave the iMac a chance and it left me with the same feeling as with the MacBook.

I have to apologise though couse I loved my iPod 80GB. Not the touch variants.

And then there is the hype... the hype for a product that is not even announced yet. Whenever I enter an Apple store I feel like I'm surrounded by gay. All those 'desgn' frantic fashionistas... wow. I even study architectural engineering and a huge part of my study was architecture. I tried a Mac for design purposes and was left with even more questionmarks on the subject of Mac's beeing superior to other OS's in the design department (PhotoShop etc.). I can't beleive this myth is still alive.

In my eyes, iWare = Call of Duty. Same shit, different day and while people know it's the same shit on a different day, they keep buying it.
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Tell us how you really feel.
 
HollovVpo1nt said:
I did not comment on how I thought upgrades should be handled. I commented on what I thought Apple was doing.

So... anyone who dislikes Apple products, who hasn't given it an 'honest' chance (whatever that might be) is a hardcore Linux guy? I have given it an honest chance. Gave the iPhone a chance and it did less and was slower than my own phone which I bought for much less money. Gave the MacBook a chance and I was really baffled by the fact it costs 50% more than a comparable notebook with the same specs. Gave the iMac a chance and it left me with the same feeling as with the MacBook.

I have to apologise though couse I loved my iPod 80GB. Not the touch variants.

And then there is the hype... the hype for a product that is not even announced yet. Whenever I enter an Apple store I feel like I'm surrounded by gay. All those 'desgn' frantic fashionistas... wow. I even study architectural engineering and a huge part of my study was architecture. I tried a Mac for design purposes and was left with even more questionmarks on the subject of Mac's beeing superior to other OS's in the design department (PhotoShop etc.). I can't beleive this myth is still alive.

In my eyes, iWare = Call of Duty. Same shit, different day and while people know it's the same shit on a different day, they keep buying it.
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SMH.
 
English is not my main language, but when I said gay I was reffering to the homogenics of their products. What I meant was: Whenever I walk into an Apple Store I feel like I'm surrounded by the same stuff. If I meant homosexuals, I'd say 'gays'. My apologies.

This is going off-topic though. I wish the fellah all the best.
 
scorcho said:
He's Steve Jobs and he's wealthy. To say that he only used one while not the other is a bit pedantic since they essentially go hand-in-hand.

I'm also not seeing how speculating on the hows and whys he received his transplant is in poor taste. It cuts straight into the heart of what's wrong with health care in the US, and I'm sure many pancreatic cancer patients with involvement with the liver would be very interested in his case.
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It's not pedantic. Peter Oppenheimer is wealthy, but I wouldn't call him a celebrity. I know a ton of wealthy lawyers, only one may qualify as a celebrity but only within an academic niche--I doubt you would have heard of him. Celebrity and wealth does not go hand in hand, especially the amount of wealth needed for multiple organ listing.

I think speculating that someone got a liver transplant because of a celebrity/wealth generated rationale, and not a medical rationale, is in poor taste. You basically said his rationale for getting a liver transplant came from his celebrity and wealth, and it was a poor use of resources. Who goes around saying that organ donees are getting organ transplants because they are wealthy or because they are a celebrity and not because it was medically necessary?
 
Raiden said:
Goddamnit with all that money you would think he would buy himself some nice clothes.
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It's a choice. I want to say there was a scientist or inventor who famously did this as well. Edison, maybe? The point being that when you limit your wardrobe to one option, you dont have to think about it anymore. The time you would have spent on clothing choice can be spent elsewhere.
 
Did you guys know he's half Syrian? Pretty cool, considering I am as well. Never would have guessed as such, know he was adopte and stuff, but his personal life is still very private (thankfully).

Looking forward to reading the biography this Nov. I just hope he's still alive by the time it releases.. :(
 
And on the topic of his clothes, it's pretty fucking amazing when you think about it, especially since it really is what he wears and not just for press showings etc..

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Sentry said:
And on the topic of his clothes, it's pretty fucking amazing when you think about it, especially since it really is what he wears and not just for press showings etc..

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Well goddamn that. Ah well, with all that wealth, who needs to be good looking, you can just buy whatever you want.

except good health
 
scorcho said:
I'm assuming the pancreatic cancer that metastasized to his old liver, which was why he needed a new one. How is that a smart use of resources considering the highly likely chance that it would spread again? especially if he'd the be given immuno-suppressant drugs that have also been linked to higher incidences of cancer.
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I'm not an expert, but I believe Whipples are rarely done if the cancer has metastasized out of the pancreas. The prognosis post-Whipple is already horrid enough, I think further complications from metastasis or from major arteries is typically a deterrent from getting the procedure done.
 
It's been posted but reading what Vic Gundotra said about Jobs is a good read.

It sounds like something I would do given the chance since the Google logo constantly bothers me in one way or another.

A few weeks ago the background on the logo was an off-shade of white, it bothered the hell out of me! :P
 
HollovVpo1nt said:
While I do feel sorry for his him due to his medical condition, I couldn't stand him or his products. I compare him and his iWare to Call of Duty. Fun and refreshing once (CoD4), boring yearly rehashes afterwards.
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This makes absolutely no sense.
 
water_wendi said:
i remain skeptical that he is donating behind the scenes. i might be completely wrong and Jobs might be donating huge sums of money to many different charities. If thats the case, its a shame it wasnt public because moves like that inspire other wealthy people to do the same. Steve Jobs has enough fame and celebrity to really get things moving and its seemingly wasted.
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Well, I know what you are saying, and maybe my faith in Jobs' compassion towards the rest of the world is driven by what I want to see rather than what is really there, but what I know about him, what I have read about him, and what I have heard from him makes me believe that he isn't just amassing a great fortune due to his own personal greed.

Here is an interview he did for playboy, right after the Mac had first been announced. Back when he was young, and had just came into his fortune, and before he experienced his first great failure.

PB: What does the money actually mean to you?
Jobs: I still don’t understand it. It’s a large responsibility to have more than you can spend in your lifetime–and I feel I have to spend it. If you die, you certainly don’t want to leave a large amount to your children. It will just ruin their lives. And if you die without kids, it will all go to the Government. Almost everyone would think that he could invest the money back into humanity in a much more astute way than the Government could. The challenges are to figure out how to live with it and to reinvest it back into the world, which means either giving it away or using it to express your concerns or values.
PB: So what do you do?
Jobs: That’s a part of my life that I like to keep private. When I have some time, I’m going to start a public foundation. I do some things privately now.
PB: You could spend all of your time disbursing your money.
Jobs: Oh, you have to. I’m convinced that to give away a dollar effectively is harder than to make a dollar.
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So think what you will, maybe this was just a lie for a silly magazine. Maybe it's really what he thinks. Maybe he had time to decide what to do with his money, or maybe he has placed every spare moment of his time trying to make sure Apple won't ever disappear, and the rest with his family. If it is as he thinks it is, and is easier to make a dollar then spend it efficiently (I assume he means in a way that will improve humanity), it shouldn't be a surprise that he has more money than he has spent.

I'd be surprised if he didn't have some role for the money stated in his will. And we won't know what kind of man he really was until he is gone and his will is enacted.
 
Raiden said:
Well damn. He still looks cheap, especially in the first picture.

I guess he is in that category that wants to look casually and spends 6k on looking casually.
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Since he is dying soon, I imagine like always he chooses his clothing for their convenience and utilitarian purpose. Jeans are probably hard to get in and out of, he has nothing to be ashamed of dressing however he feels he needs to - he's done his time.
 
Yeah, he wasn't much of a furniture guy either..

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Nice quote;

I remember when Steve was my neighbor in Woodside, Calif., and he had no furniture. It struck me that there wasn't furniture good enough for Steve in the world. He'd rather have nothing if he couldn't have perfection.

And I jokingly said, "The difference between me and Steve is that I'm willing to live with the best the world can provide. With Steve that's not always good enough." And if you look at how he tackles building a phone, or building a laptop, he really is in pursuit of this technical and aesthetic perfection. And he just won't compromise.
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I kind of hate how we're all acting like he's fucking dead. :(

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"Mission Accomplished"
 
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