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[Vyer]

There is no way TMZ are going to post a fake picture. It's real.

All I'm saying is just because it's TMZ doesn't mean anything. It's interesting that we've come to this point though.

In any case, they've been fooled before.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/business/media/29hoax.html

 

[XBOX HIVES]

I was wondering if anyone's heard anything about a September event after the wake of Jobs leaving? My iPod Touch died about 3 months ago and I've just been waiting for a refresh to pick up a new one. I hope any planned product announcements don't get held back as a result of all this.

 

[ghst]

that picture is of a man dying of pancreatic cancer. i understand if you find this upsetting, but don't belittle it by invoking the demons of photoshop. as terrible as he might look, there is no tool in adobe's arsenal that can demonstrate the agony the poor bastard is in. you're all so concerned that he looks bad, well i promise you he feels a whole lot worse than the vast majority of us can even process.

there is no optimistic upswing to this post. pancreatic cancer is fucking awful and it kills 30-odd thousand people a year in the most merciless, brutal way imaginable. to start crying photoshop at an image like that is to undermine what those people have to go through.

 

[Guardian Bob]

Show me an example of TMZ breaking a story with a fake photo.

They have a good reputation for being assholes that post legit photos before everybody else.

Plus they don't want to get sued, especially by apple lawyers.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

Really? Since when did TMZ become fucking CNN.

Since Michael Jackson died.

 

[Vyer]

that picture is of a man dying of pancreatic cancer. i understand if you find this upsetting, but don't belittle it by invoking the demons of photoshop. as terrible as he might look, there is no tool in adobe's arsenal that can demonstrate the agony the poor bastard is in. you're all so concerned that he looks bad, well i promise you he feels a whole lot worse than the vast majority of us can even process.

there is no optimistic upswing to this post. pancreatic cancer is fucking awful and it kills 30-odd thousand people a year in the most merciless, brutal way imaginable. to start crying photoshop at an image like that is to undermine what those people have to go through.

Who are you directing this to? I don't find this upsetting. My grandmother wasting away of liver cancer last year and how she looked those last days; that was upsetting.

It's an odd picture that may or may not be real and it's a discussion of such. To try and invoke a scolding or accuse of belittling when discussing a tabloid posting pictures of a sick man is a little too droll, even for the attempt to kick up dirt that you're making here. Though I suppose such nuances are lost when your worldview is shaped by TMZ.

 

[Utako]

you know, you're right. i'm glad he slaved himself to capitalism to the bitter-end and gave middle to upper-middle class individuals in developed countries the ability to purchase superfluous, aspirational pieces of technology they think they need. surely, he's a Saint that's beyond any criticism.

Amen.

What do poor folks like you think you need?

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Just a visual of Apple's growth for the pat year alone.. Insane would be an understatement. You never see exponential growth like this in companies of that size. Reminds me of simcity, where I'd be struggling to make cash for the longest time, then suddenly I'm drowning in it when my economy gets going and start mass producing colonies like crazy. It's quite exciting to think what kinds of things they have the capacity to come up with now that money is absolutely no object in terms of R&D.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/22/amazing-charts-apples-super-seasonal-performance/

 

[Surfheart]

I am not going to start a huge bashing or anything, or any argument about Apple. But if you think ANY of their software was original, and not directly taken from somewhere else, you should do a bit of searching. Their Entire OS was ripped off of Linux, and the current look of Mac OSX was stolen from Gnome, their dock, from KDE. Apple makes good stuff, but the only thin original about it is the look (not really, as Samsung has shown where they got it from).

Powerful tech companies have their hands in everything from medicine, to energy and mechanics. Apple makes gadgets and consumer electronics. Thats about it, and they are great at it.

Ummm, OSX came out of NeXTStep which was a BSD based Unix Operating system/GUI that shipped on NeXT workstations back in 1988. NeXT was founded by Steve Jobs and a lot of the engineers that worked at NeXT shaped OSX.

The Dock was a significant part of the NeXTStep UI.
Gnome was heavily influenced by the look of Nextstep with lots of drop shadows and Beveled UI elements

NeXTStep was released in 1988, Linux was released in 1992 and Gnome was released in 1999.

Just who is copying who?

 

[whitehawk]

Has anyone seen this? Sorry if it's already been posted, I went back a few pages and couldn't find anything similar:

Picture taken of Jobs a few days ago. Looks really bad

Oh man

It doesn't look good.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

that picture is of a man dying of pancreatic cancer. i understand if you find this upsetting, but don't belittle it by invoking the demons of photoshop. as terrible as he might look, there is no tool in adobe's arsenal that can demonstrate the agony the poor bastard is in. you're all so concerned that he looks bad, well i promise you he feels a whole lot worse than the vast majority of us can even process.

there is no optimistic upswing to this post. pancreatic cancer is fucking awful and it kills 30-odd thousand people a year in the most merciless, brutal way imaginable. to start crying photoshop at an image like that is to undermine what those people have to go through.

I didn't read the Photoshop accusations as the photo being altered to make him look worse, but rather that the photo isn't of Steve Jobs at all. His head has been put on the body of another dying person.

 

[Gianny]

You guys are just kidding yourself if you think that picture is photoshopped. The website with the picture beats every newspaper and news network for major breaking news. That photo is REAL!

 

[XMonkey]

I didn't read the Photoshop accusations as the photo being altered to make him look worse, but rather that the photo isn't of Steve Jobs at all. His head has been put on the body of another dying person.

Where'd they get the real photo of his head then?

 

[Puddles]

Thanks, finally, a good fucking article about SJs resignation. All I've read so far as been bullshit opinions and idiotic analysis, and hatred. Great read, and optimistic. It excited me and made me smile.

I read through that, and yet all I can think about is Apple suing that Apple a Day place and people defending it as "business".

It's a shame that a company that had so many great qualities could also be so despicable.

 

[Majine]

Just a visual of Apple's growth for the pat year alone.. Insane would be an understatement. You never see exponential growth like this in companies of that size. Reminds me of simcity, where I'd be struggling to make cash for the longest time, then suddenly I'm drowning in it when my economy gets going and start mass producing colonies like crazy. It's quite exciting to think what kinds of things they have the capacity to come up with now that money is absolutely no object in terms of R&D.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/22/amazing-charts-apples-super-seasonal-performance/

Hey, My iPod Touch is an iOS device, why isnt it in this graph?

 

[Betta Lines]

Is it not part of the 'iPod' section?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Is it not part of the 'iPod' section?

look at the alignment of the "iOS" bracket on the right side.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Why Apple CEO Tim Cook’s Sexuality Is News

Tim Cook is now the most powerful gay man in the world. This is newsworthy, no? But you won’t find it reported in any legacy/mainstream outlet. And when the FT‘s Tim Bradshaw did no more than broach the subject in a single tweet, he instantly found himself fielding a barrage of responses criticizing him from so much as mentioning the subject. Similarly, when Gawker first reported Cook’s sexuality in January, MacDailyNews called their actions “petty, vindictive, and just plain sad.”

But surely this is something we can and should be celebrating, if only in the name of diversity — that a company which by some measures the largest and most important in the world is now being run by a gay man. Certainly when it comes to gay role models, Cook is great: he’s the boring systems-and-processes guy, not the flashy design guru, and as such he cuts sharply against stereotype. He’s like Barney Frank in that sense: a super-smart, powerful and non-effeminate man who shows that being gay is no obstacle to any career you might want.

One of the issues here is that most news outlets cover Cook as part of their Apple story, and Cook’s sexuality is irrelevant to his role at Apple. And so the other story — the fact that the ranks of big-company CEOs have just become significantly more diverse — is being overlooked and ignored. And that’s bad for the gay and lesbian community more broadly.

The institution of the closet is one of fear — one where people would rather be ignored than noticed, because they fear the negative repercussions of being known to be gay. It’s an institution which Cook, like any gay man born in 1960, knows at first hand. But now the risk of being ignored is bigger in the other direction: if the world can’t see gay men and women in all their true diversity, if the only homosexuals they know of are the flamboyant ones on TV, then that only serves to perpetuate stereotypes.

As the Apple story moves away from being about Steve Jobs and becomes much more about Tim Cook, we’re going to see a lot of coverage of Cook, the man. He is, after all, not just one of the most powerful gay men in the world; he’s one of the most powerful people in the world, period. The first instinct of many journalists writing about Cook will be to ignore the issue of his sexuality. It’s not germane to his job, they’re only writing about him because of the job he holds, and therefore they shouldn’t write about it.

On top of that, Cook is not exactly open about his sexuality, and Apple has never said anything about it. Cook’s formative years, professionally speaking, were the 12 years he spent at IBM between 1982 and 1994 — and at that company, in those days, coming out was contraindicated from a career-development perspective. Mike Fuller, a gay VP at IBM, told The Advocate in 2001 that he knew “IBM employees who worked for the company in the 1980s who told me they left IBM because they weren’t comfortable coming out at work”; this comes as little surprise. After all, the years that Cook spent at straight-laced IBM coincided with the height of the AIDS panic, when people were worried about sharing toilet seats with homosexuals. It would be hard to come out at any company in that kind of atmosphere.

But thankfully we’ve moved a very long way from those days. Homosexuality is no longer something shameful, to be coy or secretive about — especially not when you’ve risen to the very top of your profession. In fact, it’s incumbent upon a public-company CEO not to be in the closet.

Four years ago — a long time itself, in the history of gay rights and public acceptance thereof — John Browne resigned as CEO of BP under a shameful cloud. The reason for his downfall was not that he was gay, but rather that he was in the closet. As I explained at the time, in trying desperately to remain comfortably in the closet, he ended up lying repeatedly to the UK High Court - and that is why he had to resign.

Back then, there were no public-company CEOs on Out magazine’s gay power list; this year, Cook topped the list even before he became CEO of Apple. Keeping his sexuality a secret is no longer an option. And so the press shouldn’t treat it as though it’s something to be avoided at all costs. There’s no ethical dilemma when it comes to reporting on Cook’s sexuality: rather, the ethical dilemma comes in not reporting it, thereby perpetuating the idea that there’s some kind of stigma associated with being gay. Yes, the stigma does still exist in much of society. But it’s not the job of the press to perpetuate it. Quite the opposite.

Update: For a better and more heartfelt version of this post, read Joe Clark from back in February: “When you tell us it’s wrong to report on gay public figures,” he writes, “you are telling gays not to come out of the closet and journalists not to report the truth.”

http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/why_apple_ceo_tim_cooks_sexual.php

 

[Majine]

Damn, was hoping that Stephen Fry would eventually become the most powerful gay man

 

[Betta Lines]

look at the alignment of the "iOS" bracket on the right side.

Ah, I didn't notice that. The middle bracket is unlabelled though, so it could be indicating the overlap between iOS and music devices.

 

[Damon Bennet]

I do not see why it is newsworthy. The fact that it IS newsworthy is only proof that homosexuals are still not treated as equals in society.

 

[krypt0nian]

I do not see why it is newsworthy. The fact that it IS newsworthy is only proof that homosexuals are still not treated as equals in society.

I...I don't....um wow.

Well it is newsworthy obviously.

 

[Krev]

I do not see why it is newsworthy. The fact that it IS newsworthy is only proof that homosexuals are still not treated as equals in society.

Well, you're right in the second point, but because of that it helps to spread around information about people like Cook so as to combat the negative perceptions and stereotypes that are still so rampant.

In an ideal world it wouldn't be newsworthy, but we don't live in an ideal world.

 

[itsgreen]

I...I don't....um wow.

Well it is newsworthy obviously.

Well it isn't the norm... so in that way it is news...

I mean it in the way that the vast majority is straight

 

[Betta Lines]

You could argue that it wouldn't take long for the details of Cook's sexuality to become common knowledge considering how regularly he will be in the spotlight from now on. Therefore no need to highlight it. I don't believe it is newsworthy in the slightest. It is completely irrelevant.

 

[krypt0nian]

Well it isn't the norm... so in that way it is news...

I mean it in the way that the vast majority is straight

Correct. As well as it giving gay kids another role model and aspiration. Well, if he came out that is...

You could argue that it wouldn't take long for the details of Cook's sexuality to become common knowledge considering how regularly he will be in the spotlight from now on. Therefore no need to highlight it. I don't believe it is newsworthy in the slightest. It is completely irrelevant.

It will be irrelevant once gays have the same rights and responsibilities that straight people have. Until then it's hugely important to note it.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

Damn, was hoping that Stephen Fry would eventually become the most powerful gay man

he'll have to settle for being the best man in the world, and we know that best gay man is a subset of that.

 

[rezuth]

I'm still having to ask, do we have any confirmation at all for him being gay? Anything suggesting him being gay other than Apple supporting gay rights and the fact he lives alone at his age.

 

[dmshaposv]

Has anyone seen this? Sorry if it's already been posted, I went back a few pages and couldn't find anything similar:

Picture taken of Jobs a few days ago. Looks really bad

Damn man. Fucking cancer.

 

[Disfunctional]

Looks like those pictures were real - new ones have surfaced, so sad

 

[scorcho]

I'm still having to ask, do we have any confirmation at all for him being gay? Anything suggesting him being gay other than Apple supporting gay rights and the fact he lives alone at his age.

Supposedly it's a known fact within the general and tech media. I think he was even included in Outside magazine's most influential LBGT list...

Along with Matt Drudge. Ugh.

Edit: see it was already mentioned in the article above

 

[Leonsito]

Fucking Cancer

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Looks like those pictures were real - new ones have surfaced, so sad

at no surprise to anyone who has a sense of rationality and objectivity about these things.

get well, Steve.

 

[BruiserBear]

that picture is of a man dying of pancreatic cancer. i understand if you find this upsetting, but don't belittle it by invoking the demons of photoshop. as terrible as he might look, there is no tool in adobe's arsenal that can demonstrate the agony the poor bastard is in. you're all so concerned that he looks bad, well i promise you he feels a whole lot worse than the vast majority of us can even process.

there is no optimistic upswing to this post. pancreatic cancer is fucking awful and it kills 30-odd thousand people a year in the most merciless, brutal way imaginable. to start crying photoshop at an image like that is to undermine what those people have to go through.

This post seems a bit misguided. We're not talking about cancer here. We're talking about a photo, and whether or not it's even legit. The story of the photo is secondary to the discussion.


While it does bother me that TMZ published a photo like this, and paid for it to be taken, I can't really come down on them because I often look at such things anyway. :/ Of course I believe it's a real photo.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

This breaches the "need to know" boundry of the media and is approaching nosey neighbour shit.

We all know he isn't well and won't be here for a while. Don't think we need pics to confirm (no hate on those posting)

 

[Ulairi]

If Mr. Cook doesn't want to come out it's none of anyone's business. Not every gay person wants to be in a movement and sexual prefrence is a privacy issue.

 

[TUSR]

Damn, was hoping that Stephen Fry would eventually become the most powerful gay man

Stephen Fry is gay?

What?

The guy with the cool voice that read shit like Harry Potter audiobooks?

Also, does anyone think he looks thinner in those new photos...

 

[ghst]

I didn't read the Photoshop accusations as the photo being altered to make him look worse, but rather that the photo isn't of Steve Jobs at all. His head has been put on the body of another dying person.

http://i.imgur.com/WV5Y0.jpg - this was the image that started all the accusations. i'm not sure how you read "area here is pinched to give jobs a frail look" any other way.

 

[krypt0nian]

If Mr. Cook doesn't want to come out it's none of anyone's business. Not every gay person wants to be in a movement and sexual prefrence is a privacy issue.

He should want to come out and use his position to help those that are questioning, feeling alone or worse yet, contemplating suicide. He enjoys a more than comfortable life financially and there is no way this can be used against him in his career. It's all well and good to cite privacy when you're at risk. But I look down on those that are in a safe place that have the power to make a difference and don't. Especially if he's already known to be out among his life circle already.

Every gay person is in a "movement" until everyone enjoys full equal rights. I do agree that no one should be outed unless they are publicly doing things that are anti-gay. If they choose to work against gay rights and are secretly gay, busting them is the right thing to do.

In Mr Cook's case, it would be the same thing to me if someone had billions in the bank and gave nothing to charity. No they cannot be forced to give to those less fortunate, but if they don't they look like shit.

It's either hero time or coward time, Tim. If one has the ability to do great good and does nothing, they are a lesser person.

 

[Vicetrailia]

From all the stories I've heard that is an accurate assumption about Jobs, I don't know anyone who worked closely under Gates.

That being said, these same people who would assert that Jobs is a crazy egotistical ass also have a lot of respect for him. I think the best thing Jobs has brought, and something I truly hope other American corporations will learn, is that vision can bring you more success than penny pinching micromanagement and focus group pandering.

Well companies penny pench after vision is achieved anyway. Penny pinching is only natural.

 

[Superimposer]

Stephen Fry is gay?

What?

The guy with the cool voice that read shit like Harry Potter audiobooks?

Also, does anyone think he looks thinner in those new photos...

That's what you know Stephen Fry for? Also, his homosexuality is a well-known fact.

Yes, Jobs looks about as thin as he did in the first picture

 

[BruiserBear]

He should want to come out and use his position to help those that are questioning, feeling alone or worse yet, contemplating suicide. He enjoys a more than comfortable life financially and there is no way this can be used against him in his career. It's all well and good to cite privacy when you're at risk. But I look down on those that are in a safe place that have the power to make a difference and don't. Especially if he's already known to be out among his life circle already.

Every gay person is in a "movement" until everyone enjoys full equal rights.

It would be the same thing to me if someone had billions in the bank and gave nothing to charity. No they cannot be forced to give to those less fortunate, but if they don't they look like shit.

It's either hero time or coward time, Tim.

While I'm tempted to agree with you on this, I also sort of think "Let this guy live how he wants to live". If he's not interested in becoming a gay spokesperson, than so be it.

He's certainly not trying to refute any claims that he's gay, and is probably open about it with people he knows. In other words he's just a gay man living his life.

 

[krypt0nian]

While I'm tempted to agree with you on this, I also sort of think "Let this guy live how he wants to live". If he's not interested in becoming a gay spokesperson, than so be it.

He's certainly not trying to refute any claims that he's gay, and is probably open about it with people he knows. In other words he's just a gay man living his life.

In a perfect world I would agree. But I edited in this sentence and it sums it up:

If one has the ability to do great good and does nothing, they are a lesser person.


EDIT: Not hijacking this thread further though. I've expressed myself as well as I can.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

He should want to come out and use his position to help those that are questioning, feeling alone or worse yet, contemplating suicide. He enjoys a more than comfortable life financially and there is no way this can be used against him in his career. It's all well and good to cite privacy when you're at risk. But I look down on those that are in a safe place that have the power to make a difference and don't. Especially if he's already known to be out among his life circle already.

Every gay person is in a "movement" until everyone enjoys full equal rights. I do agree that no one should be outed unless they are publicly doing things that are anti-gay. If they choose to work against gay rights and are secretly gay, busting them is the right thing to do.

In Mr Cook's case, it would be the same thing to me if someone had billions in the bank and gave nothing to charity. No they cannot be forced to give to those less fortunate, but if they don't they look like shit.

It's either hero time or coward time, Tim. If one has the ability to do great good and does nothing, they are a lesser person.

WTF?

Let the man live the way he wants to live. He doesn't have to answer to nobody

Spoiler

but Jobs

and his accomplishments in life speak for himself, not his sexuality.

 

[sk3]

I don't think Jobs' condition is as bad as the pictures seem. If his death were imminent (or he was given a timetable), why would he stay on as chairman? That's still a pretty important role.

 

[krypt0nian]

WTF?

Let the man live the way he wants to live. He doesn't have to answer to nobody

Spoiler

but Jobs

and his accomplishments in life speak for himself, not his sexuality.

Cannot agree. If one has the ability to do great good and does nothing, they are a lesser person.

 

[Culex]

I don't think Jobs' condition is as bad as the pictures seem. If his death were imminent (or he was given a timetable), why would he stay on as chairman? That's still a pretty important role.

A lot of companies have no distinction between CEO and Chairman of the Board. They are usually one and the same. In this case, I'm betting it's more of a posterity thing keeping his on the board.

 

[TUSR]

That's what you know Stephen Fry for? Also, his homosexuality is a well-known fact.

Yes, Jobs looks about as thin as he did in the first picture

Was born in 89, in Canada, didn't have the slightest idea of what Europe was besides the globe in my room.

A lot of companies have no distinction between CEO and Chairman of the Board. They are usually one and the same. In this case, I'm betting it's more of a posterity thing keeping his on the board.

Up until this point, there was no Chair of the Board at Apple. There were only two Chairmen I believe. The move of CEO to Chair was to quell the public

 

[MultiCore]

Cannot agree. If one has the ability to do great good and does nothing, they are a lesser person.

Who are you to determine morality for this man?

 

[Betta Lines]

I don't think Jobs' condition is as bad as the pictures seem. If his death were imminent (or he was given a timetable), why would he stay on as chairman? That's still a pretty important role.

To lessen the blow to the shareholders, most likely.