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hsukardi said:
They've molded and changed expectations towards modern software and hardware.

That's powerful.

I am not going to start a huge bashing or anything, or any argument about Apple. But if you think ANY of their software was original, and not directly taken from somewhere else, you should do a bit of searching. Their Entire OS was ripped off of Linux, and the current look of Mac OSX was stolen from Gnome, their dock, from KDE. Apple makes good stuff, but the only thin original about it is the look (not really, as Samsung has shown where they got it from).

Powerful tech companies have their hands in everything from medicine, to energy and mechanics. Apple makes gadgets and consumer electronics. Thats about it, and they are great at it.
 
Blackface said:
I am not going to start a huge bashing or anything, or any argument about Apple. But if you think ANY of their software was original, and not directly taken from somewhere else, you should do a bit of searching. Their Entire OS was ripped off of Linux, and the current look of Mac OSX was stolen from Gnome, their dock, from KDE. Apple makes good stuff, but the only thin original about it is the look (not really, as Samsung has shown where they got it from).

Powerful tech companies have their hands in everything from medicine, to energy and mechanics. Apple makes gadgets and consumer electronics. Thats about it, and they are great at it.

So where was iOS ripped off from? It's only the inspiration for every other mobile OS out there right now, and single-handedly forced both Microsoft and Google to go back to the drawing board.
 
oatmeal said:
I watched Pirates of Silicon Valley....

Good flick.

It really made Jobs look like a crazy asshole, and Gates look like a slimy little prick.

From all the stories I've heard that is an accurate assumption about Jobs, I don't know anyone who worked closely under Gates.

That being said, these same people who would assert that Jobs is a crazy egotistical ass also have a lot of respect for him. I think the best thing Jobs has brought, and something I truly hope other American corporations will learn, is that vision can bring you more success than penny pinching micromanagement and focus group pandering.
 
Blackface said:
I am not going to start a huge bashing or anything, or any argument about Apple. But if you think ANY of their software was original, and not directly taken from somewhere else, you should do a bit of searching. Their Entire OS was ripped off of Linux, and the current look of Mac OSX was stolen from Gnome, their dock, from KDE. Apple makes good stuff, but the only thin original about it is the look (not really, as Samsung has shown where they got it from).

Powerful tech companies have their hands in everything from medicine, to energy and mechanics. Apple makes gadgets and consumer electronics. Thats about it, and they are great at it.
How exactly is OS X a rip of Linux, Gnome, and KDE? Provide screenshots and dates. Their dock was originated from Steve Jobs' Nextstep in 1988.
 
Blackface said:
I am not going to start a huge bashing or anything, or any argument about Apple. But if you think ANY of their software was original, and not directly taken from somewhere else, you should do a bit of searching. Their Entire OS was ripped off of Linux, and the current look of Mac OSX was stolen from Gnome, their dock, from KDE. Apple makes good stuff, but the only thin original about it is the look (not really, as Samsung has shown where they got it from).
I'm sorry, but that's just not true. None of this.

How is it a rip off of Linux? Their kernels have enormous differences.

How is the look in any way stolen from Gnome? Anyone with eyes can see that they're nothing alike. As for the dock, I've seen KDE develop from version 1.x upwards and it's never shipped with any dock like task bar. It's always featured more Windows like taskbars since the earliest releases. The dock is actually a continuation of the NeXTSTEP dock.

I can also give you a simple example of a piece of software developed by Apple: Launchd. Although maybe not the flashy example that you had in mind there's no doubt that it disproves your point. The software was the inspiration for systemd, by the way, which is just now being incorporated into different Linux distributions.
 
DataStream said:
From all the stories I've heard that is an accurate assumption about Jobs, I don't know anyone who worked closely under Gates.

That being said, these same people who would assert that Jobs is a crazy egotistical ass also have a lot of respect for him. I think the best thing Jobs has brought, and something I truly hope other American corporations will learn, is that vision can bring you more success than penny pinching micromanagement and focus group pandering.
Yeah I think it's pretty accurate, but only for Apple.

Apparently with Pixar he just let them do their job instead of interfering.
 
Blackface said:
I am not going to start a huge bashing or anything, or any argument about Apple. But if you think ANY of their software was original, and not directly taken from somewhere else, you should do a bit of searching. Their Entire OS was ripped off of Linux, and the current look of Mac OSX was stolen from Gnome, their dock, from KDE. Apple makes good stuff, but the only thin original about it is the look (not really, as Samsung has shown where they got it from).

Powerful tech companies have their hands in everything from medicine, to energy and mechanics. Apple makes gadgets and consumer electronics. Thats about it, and they are great at it.
Wow... Just wow... The amount of ignorance is just off the charts here. Please do some research before entering a topic and spewing this kind of bullshit. Just because some friend told you something does not make it true. Just a hint for the future.
 
I really really liked this 6 page piece on The New Yorker by Malcolm Gladwell about Steve Jobs, early Silicon Valley and Xerox PARC. It really puts certain developments in perspective for those like me who don't know each and every detail of the personalities and environment of the day.

After Jobs returned from PARC, he met with a man named Dean Hovey, who was one of the founders of the industrial-design firm that would become known as IDEO. “Jobs went to Xerox PARC on a Wednesday or a Thursday, and I saw him on the Friday afternoon,” Hovey recalled. “I had a series of ideas that I wanted to bounce off him, and I barely got two words out of my mouth when he said, ‘No, no, no, you’ve got to do a mouse.’ I was, like, ‘What’s a mouse?’ I didn’t have a clue. So he explains it, and he says, ‘You know, [the Xerox mouse] is a mouse that cost three hundred dollars to build and it breaks within two weeks. Here’s your design spec: Our mouse needs to be manufacturable for less than fifteen bucks. It needs to not fail for a couple of years, and I want to be able to use it on Formica and my bluejeans.’ From that meeting, I went to Walgreens, which is still there, at the corner of Grant and El Camino in Mountain View, and I wandered around and bought all the underarm deodorants that I could find, because they had that ball in them. I bought a butter dish. That was the beginnings of the mouse.”

(...)

The trick was to connect the ball to the rest of the mouse at the two points where there was the least friction—right where his fingertips had been, dead center on either side of the ball. “If it’s right at midpoint, there’s no force causing it to rotate. So it rolls.”

Hovey estimated their consulting fee at thirty-five dollars an hour; the whole project cost perhaps a hundred thousand dollars. “I originally pitched Apple on doing this mostly for royalties, as opposed to a consulting job,” he recalled. “I said, ‘I’m thinking fifty cents apiece,’ because I was thinking that they’d sell fifty thousand, maybe a hundred thousand of them.” He burst out laughing, because of how far off his estimates ended up being. “Steve’s pretty savvy. He said no. Maybe if I’d asked for a nickel, I would have been fine.”

(...)

So was what Jobs took from Xerox the idea of the mouse? Not quite, because Xerox never owned the idea of the mouse. The PARC researchers got it from the computer scientist Douglas Engelbart, at Stanford Research Institute, fifteen minutes away on the other side of the university campus. Engelbart dreamed up the idea of moving the cursor around the screen with a stand-alone mechanical “animal” back in the mid- nineteen-sixties. His mouse was a bulky, rectangular affair, with what looked like steel roller-skate wheels. If you lined up Engelbart’s mouse, Xerox’s mouse, and Apple’s mouse, you would not see the serial reproduction of an object. You would see the evolution of a concept.

The same is true of the graphical user interface that so captured Jobs’s imagination. Xerox PARC’s innovation had been to replace the traditional computer command line with onscreen icons. But when you clicked on an icon you got a pop-up menu: this was the intermediary between the user’s intention and the computer’s response. Jobs’s software team took the graphical interface a giant step further. It emphasized “direct manipulation.” If you wanted to make a window bigger, you just pulled on its corner and made it bigger; if you wanted to move a window across the screen, you just grabbed it and moved it. The Apple designers also invented the menu bar, the pull-down menu, and the trash can—all features that radically simplified the original Xerox PARC idea.

The difference between direct and indirect manipulation—between three buttons and one button, three hundred dollars and fifteen dollars, and a roller ball supported by ball bearings and a free-rolling ball—is not trivial. It is the difference between something intended for experts, which is what Xerox PARC had in mind, and something that’s appropriate for a mass audience, which is what Apple had in mind.
PARC was building a personal computer. Apple wanted to build a popular computer.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/16/110516fa_fact_gladwell#ixzz1WK0vo2YI
 
regarding Salvor.Hardin’s post.

anyone interested in the building of the Mac. the hardware and the software should go to folklore.org right now. it contains a bunch of firsthand stories from Andy Hertzfeld and other members of that original team as they designed and built the Mac.

Steve Jobs is mentioned several times with his famous attention to detail.

But, more importantly, the amount of work that this project required that is exposed in these stories makes it clear that the Mac was no simple “ripoff” of the Xerox Parc UI. Anyone who can still think that the execution of the GUI idea was trivial is a bit of an idiot, sorry.

(also, the book they made from this website was wonderfully printed with lots of pictures and is worth buying for all tech geeks)
 
fizzelopeguss said:
You might as well, can't exactly carry all those billions through the pearly gates now can you.


Maybe he has something in his will that passes his money on to charities. Maybe he already does support cancer research and he isn't an egotistical douche about it because just giving is good enough?

Maybe he doesn't want to donate because it's his money and he gets to decide what to do with it?

Megadragon15 said:
Steve Jobs is a first world problem solver.


and which problems do you solve? any?


scorcho said:
not enough for what - universal, messianic love? i don't see how his business success insulates from the criticism that he didn't take advantage of his wealth and fame to jump into cancer advocacy.



Jesus fucking christ. You don't even know what he does with his money, but just assume he stuffs it under his mattress.


it's just a huge discussion about nothing-- nobody knows what he does with his money, so why even discuss it.



anyway, this thread sucks, so many of you people are classless idiots with a pinhole perspective of reality.
 
Smision said:
Maybe he has something in his will that passes his money on to charities. Maybe he already does support cancer research and he isn't an egotistical douche about it because just giving is good enough?

Maybe he doesn't want to donate because it's his money and he gets to decide what to do with it?

and which problems do you solve? any?


Jesus fucking christ. You don't even know what he does with his money, but just assume he stuffs it under his mattress.


it's just a huge discussion about nothing-- nobody knows what he does with his money, so why even discuss it.



anyway, this thread sucks, so many of you people are classless idiots with a pinhole perspective of reality.


You seem to be pretty upset.
Btw, I think donations of high value cant be done anonymously. but that is just something i heard, and i cannot back that up. but if thats true, then people, in fact, know if he donates stuff
 
Earl Cazone said:
You seem to be pretty upset.
Btw, I think donations of high value cant be done anonymously. but that is just something i heard, and i cannot back that up. but if thats true, then people, in fact, know if he donates stuff


i'm just pointing out how null and void this discussion is. but yeah, crazy logical leaps when there's nothing to support them drive me nuts :p
 
XMonkey said:
Look up the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the work they do. If you want to restrict it to the "tech world" then I guess you can't make a clear cut choice. But Jobs hasn't been half the humanitarian Gates has been.
I have great admiration for the man Bill Gates has become. Particularly because he seemed like such a petulant little shit for most of the time. But, shouldn't a lot of the credit go to his father? I think it was he who pushed Gates to become philanthropic.
 
Earl Cazone said:
You seem to be pretty upset.
Btw, I think donations of high value cant be done anonymously. but that is just something i heard, and i cannot back that up. but if thats true, then people, in fact, know if he donates stuff
Not true ..
 
Earl Cazone said:
You seem to be pretty upset.
Btw, I think donations of high value cant be done anonymously. but that is just something i heard, and i cannot back that up. but if thats true, then people, in fact, know if he donates stuff
Tax returns (where personal donations are reported) are entirely private.
 
Smision said:
Maybe he has something in his will that passes his money on to charities. Maybe he already does support cancer research and he isn't an egotistical douche about it because just giving is good enough?

Maybe he doesn't want to donate because it's his money and he gets to decide what to do with it?




and which problems do you solve? any?



Jesus fucking christ. You don't even know what he does with his money, but just assume he stuffs it under his mattress.


it's just a huge discussion about nothing-- nobody knows what he does with his money, so why even discuss it.



anyway, this thread sucks, so many of you people are classless idiots with a pinhole perspective of reality.

Pretty much. One has to wade through a lot of shit in this thread to find the decent posts. Classless is exactly what it is. Just people making up bullshit to justify their ridiculous assertions and expectations. Jobs has directly and indirectly improved the lives of so many people- you can mock me, but I've seen so many personal examples of this. You can do it in other ways than fucking curing cancer. People are using the technology he's envisioned- people who would never have been capable of using previous technology- to lead more satisfying and fulfilling lives. From people with disabilities to my grandmother, who has never used a computer but a couple years ago sarted using an iPad to communicate with her family overseas. I can say whtout a shred of a doubt it has improved her life tremendously, as I have seen this first hand. You can find examples of this millions of times over. But, none of this counts for shit because Jobs didn't do x or y in the minds of people, who have really no fucking idea what his situation was. Jobs has contributed more to humanity than probably any of you ever will, and I'm sorry if you don't have the perspective to see that. He has made technology more approachable, more enjoyable, and more understandable to human beings.
 
Let's just drop the whole charity issue, no one knows what he did/does. All we know for certain is that he publicly used his influence on Arnold to make it a requirement to fill out donations form when you get your driving license in California.
 
Paradoxal_Utopia said:
Pretty much. One has to wade through a lot of shit in this thread to find the decent posts. Classless is exactly what it is. Just people making up bullshit to justify their ridiculous assertions and expectations. Jobs has directly and indirectly improved the lives of so many people- you can mock me, but I've seen so many personal examples of this. You can do it in other ways than fucking curing cancer. People are using the technology he's envisioned- people who would never have been capable of using previous technology- to lead more satisfying and fulfilling lives. From people with disabilities to my grandmother, who has never used a computer but a couple years ago sarted using an iPad to communicate with her family overseas. I can say whtout a shred of a doubt it has improved her life tremendously, as I have seen this first hand. You can find examples of this millions of times over. But, none of this counts for shit because Jobs didn't do x or y in the minds of people, who have really no fucking idea what his situation was. Jobs has contributed more to humanity than probably any of you ever will, and I'm sorry if you don't have the perspective to see that. He has made technology more approachable, more enjoyable, and more understandable to human beings.
you know, you're right. i'm glad he slaved himself to capitalism to the bitter-end and gave middle to upper-middle class individuals in developed countries the ability to purchase superfluous, aspirational pieces of technology they think they need. surely, he's a Saint that's beyond any criticism.

Amen.
 
scorcho said:
you know, you're right. i'm glad he slaved himself to capitalism to the bitter-end and gave middle to upper-middle class individuals in developed countries the ability to purchase superfluous, aspirational pieces of technology they think they need. surely, he's a Saint that's beyond any criticism.

Amen.

I don't think anyone is saying he is the next bodhisattva, but I don't think it is harmful to place him in the ranks with Ford, Disney, and Edison. He was a great entrepreneur, with either extreme luck, a near clairvoyant view of the future, or the ability to sell the future that he wanted to the masses. I think it is a bit of it all, but I am not so willing to say that if he hadn't been around we'd all have the same technology as we do now - even if he simply stole ideas and marketed them, if he wasn't the one to market them to the middle class, would those ideas have gained any traction - maybe in a few cases, but I certainly doubt every one of them. And I don't think the computer would have been nearly as popular if it weren't for Gates. He saw some potential in the product Jobs was attempting to sell, made a cheaper more accessible version (hardware, not UI), and sold it to nearly the entire world.

I'm not going to say we'd all still be using DOS if the Xerox > Jobs > Gates idea transmission did not happen, but I'm certainly not going to say "Yep, if Jobs never existed everything would play out the same, that's how little an impact he had on the world" as many here are attempting to do.

Blackface: Awesome! That's even more evidence of Jobs and Apple being the most influential CEO/Company duo ever. They built a time machine, went 4 years into the future to copy Linux(1992), and came back to the 80's to implement a Unix clone based on MACH from Carnegie Mellon's research, with a BSD personality layer based on 4.2 called NEXTSTEP(1988). If there was any doubt, now all is extinguished.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
I don't think anyone is saying he is the next bodhisattva, but I don't think it is harmful to place him in the ranks with Ford, Disney, and Edison. He was a great entrepreneur, with either extreme luck, a near clairvoyant view of the future, or the ability to sell the future that he wanted to the masses. I think it is a bit of it all, but I am not so willing to say that if he hadn't been around we'd all have the same technology as we do now - even if he simply stole ideas and marketed them, if he wasn't the one to market them to the middle class, would those ideas have gained any traction - maybe in a few cases, but I certainly doubt every one of them. And I don't think the computer would have been nearly as popular if it weren't for Gates. He saw some potential in the product Jobs was attempting to sell, made a cheaper more accessible version (hardware, not UI), and sold it to nearly the entire world.
a lot of the more indignant responses seem to point to such, but there's no point in arguing that further. i agree - it's foolish to argue against Jobs' impact in technology and our interaction with it, or his standing as one of the most visionary and successful CEOs in history.
 
LCfiner said:
But, more importantly, the amount of work that this project required that is exposed in these stories makes it clear that the Mac was no simple “ripoff” of the Xerox Parc UI. Anyone who can still think that the execution of the GUI idea was trivial is a bit of an idiot, sorry.
Exactly.

Microsoft had early access to a Macintosh to develop for, which they of course tried to copy, and all they managed to come up with was this:

5nHPf.gif


Windows 1.0

It was YEARS before Windows entered a useful state.

Steve Jobs got demoed Xerox's machine for an hour or so. Microsoft had a prerelease Mac in-house.
 
scorcho said:
you know, you're right. i'm glad he slaved himself to capitalism to the bitter-end and gave middle to upper-middle class individuals in developed countries the ability to purchase superfluous, aspirational pieces of technology they think they need. surely, he's a Saint that's beyond any criticism.

Amen.



So...

"Here Lies Steve Jobs. He Didn't Cure Cancer."


got it.
 
Ok .. I get it. Due to human nature and how we're programmed, it always has to be PC v Mac, Nvidia v ATI, Intel v AMD, Jobs v Gates, iOS v Android .. However, having said that we can always get this mandatory sidetracking out of the way and get back on topic quickly.

Personally Steve had a bigger impact on me, more than Bill. Always looked up Jobs even when I was a hardcore PC user and a Mac hater. Always wanted to be like Steve, besides my father. :) Even in school for my dissertation presentations, I always took notes from how Jobs approached his keynotes and how to convey my passion to the audience and convince them. Having said that, I also admire Bill for all the work he's done outside of his industry through his foundation, he inspires me to give back. So in effect, I draw inspiration from Steve to be successful and from Bill to be more successful in helping the less fortunate.

Going back on topic, I just re-read through the article I posted on the last page. Still good the second time.
 
edgefusion said:
They have an Apple as their logo because of the story of an Apple falling on Isaac Newton's head. Their original logo was this crazy fully illustrated scene of it. Google "Original Apple logo".
I know I know, but they wouldn't exactly say our logo's meaning is symbolic of the fruit being eating from the tree of knowledge in the bible, would they? Just a sort of conspiracy. :p

Makes sense though, 'technology from the gods'.
 
lunarworks said:
Exactly.

Microsoft had early access to a Macintosh to develop for, which they of course tried to copy, and all they managed to come up with was this:

5nHPf.gif


Windows 1.0

It was YEARS before Windows entered a useful state.

Steve Jobs got demoed Xerox's machine for an hour or so. Microsoft had a prerelease Mac in-house.
:D I remember that, thanks for the nostalgia rush. It's rather weird how far behind Mac/Atari/MS were back in the day from Amiga and now Amiga is just a relic from the olden days :(

Workbench 1.0 was god like at those times.
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Has anyone seen this? Sorry if it's already been posted, I went back a few pages and couldn't find anything similar:

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Picture taken of Jobs a few days ago. Looks really bad :(
 
Ark said:
Has anyone seen this? Sorry if it's already been posted, I went back a few pages and couldn't find anything similar:


Picture taken of Jobs a few days ago. Looks really bad :(

Yes, it has already been posted, and it was quoted Ad nauseum, with people dreadfully tired of the pic being posted over and over again, particularly on new pages.

Pro tip: If something is from a few days ago, there's 97% chance it has already been posted on GAF. Hell, if it's a few minutes ago, there;s a good chance too. Hell, that's why I love GAF, actually. SO fast, and so many minions gathering news for me!
 
mrkgoo said:
Pro tip: If something is from a few days ago, there's 97% chance it has already been posted on GAF. Hell, if it's a few minutes ago, there;s a good chance too. Hell, that's why I love GAF, actually. SO fast, and so many minions gathering news for me!

100%.

A good rule for posting on GAF is this:
- If you are not getting the news from the original, first-hand source, it was posted on GAF before your source got it.
- If it is more than a few hours old, it was posted on GAF before your source got it.
- If it was posted on Reddit, it was posted on GAF.
- If it was posted on the Daily Mail, it was posted on GAF.
- If you're not sure if something is fake, it is
 
Smision said:
So...

"Here Lies Steve Jobs. He Didn't Cure Cancer."


got it.
Nice job completely ignoring his point and setting up a strawman. People wonder why our schools, infrastructure and political discourse suck in America? It's because those without spend all their time defending those who have.
 
Could be real, could be fake. I don't think we can confidently say it's either just yet.. I will say though I don't think he looked anywhere near this bad a few months ago. If true, it's a rapid turn.

But then again, it's cancer.
 
Xun said:
Yeah I think it's pretty accurate, but only for Apple.

Apparently with Pixar he just let them do their job instead of interfering.

This is why there's a seat reserved in Heaven for Jobs. He lost millions every year for a number of years keeping Pixar going. But he's a visionary, and he knew great things would come from that group of people, and that it would pay off (greatly) at some point. Lucas sure as hell didn't know what to do with Pixar when he had it.
 
TMZ is actually not bad about source-checking on stuff like that, and they bought the photos from another photo agency (Pacific Coast News) so I imagine they did quite a bit of work before buying them so they would not be wasting money. It was a big score and regardless of what you think of paparazzi it likely is not something TMZ would consider lightly, especially with the circumstances. I very much doubt the photo is edited or we'd know by now if only so TMZ could be the ones to actually print the retraction and shift blame to the photo agency.
 
Sentry said:
Could be real, could be fake. I don't think we can confidently say it's either just yet.. I will say though I don't think he looked anywhere near this bad a few months ago. If true, it's a rapid turn.

But then again, it's cancer.
No reason to think it's not real. He has looked as thin and gaunt as this in previous public appearances, this is just an unfortunate candid shot. The light behind him, what I assume is a hospital gown and his bed-hair just make it look worse.
 
reggieandTFE said:
Nice job completely ignoring his point and setting up a strawman. People wonder why our schools, infrastructure and political discourse suck in America? It's because those without spend all their time defending those who have.


oh come on, there are plenty of salient points to make against the idea that Apple's communications devices are merely superficial luxury items for the first world. If people can't think of them or see them on their own, I'm not even gonna waste my time.

All I'll say is that they've pushed all phones forward and that tech trickles down. pretty soon everyone will have access to smartphone tech as smartphones become regular phones. that's a world changer.


I mean "slave to capitalism" is about the worst critique i've heard. WHO THE FUCK ISN'T?! lol

and try not to get into existential crisis about it, it's not like anyone's putting full effort into argumentation or utilizing every last ounce of their knowledge here.
 
Wallach said:
It's a black shirt and black shorts. You can see where the shirt ends.
I dunno man, theres a lot of weird things going on in that picture. I didnt really pay much attention before, but since it was brought up on this page I'm looking at it on my phone browser and zoomed in on it.

The neck thing mentioned earlier.

If its supposed to be shorts, it looks like both the legs are in only one leg 'hole'?

The weird line above the right knee.

The weird line that stops halfway on the left side of the body, against the other guy's shirt.
 
Sentry said:
Really? Since when did TMZ become fucking CNN. It could be fake, even though it's probably real.
Show me an example of TMZ breaking a story with a fake photo.

They have a good reputation for being assholes that post legit photos before everybody else.
 
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