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Stop "so-called" clean energy. Ruin planet faster, cheaper instead.

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I just finished The Stand, where the villain gathered ne'erdowells to create a society to ultimately try and destroy everything good in the world, clearly not coincidence
 

FelixOrion

Poet Centuriate
This can't be real.... can it?

I refuse to believe this is real.

I refuse to believe this is real. It can't be real. I mean, they might as well put Hitler on their and call it a day.

Very real. They were gonna make more featuring Charles Manson, Fidel Castro and Osama bin Laden, asking the same question. They stopped the campaign immediately but didn't apologize (and in fact flat out refused to do so), and as a result they lost a LOT of corporate funding.
 

Wilsongt

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Isn't Heartland Institute some wacky conservative think tank?

*checks*

Yep. Leading the charge on climate change denial.

Fuck 'em.
 
Isn't Heartland Institute some wacky conservative think tank?

*checks*

Yep. Leading the charge on climate change denial.

Fuck 'em.
Yes. Scary part is candidates running for president are sending surrogates to this conference to speak of their support their alignment of their platform for running for office.
 

matmanx1

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Here are America's 3 core issues that lead to everything else:

1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC - Ability for corporations to fund political campaigns thus putting control of Washington into the hands of the highest bidder.

2) Education Level / Ignorance of citizens that allows them to be discouraged, demoralized, and exploited much easier. - http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-tops-oecd-s/1843546.html

3) “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinback

1 and 2 I agree 100% with. 3 I am not so sure but I will say that Steinback quote is clever.
 

Tabris

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1 and 2 I agree 100% with. 3 I am not so sure but I will say that Steinback quote is clever.

3 is just another way of stating the "American Dream" concept that drives those without means to think as someone with means because there is the possibility to become someone of means.
 

Kinitari

Black Canada Mafia
The problem with non-nuclear green is that the big payoff is still pretty far away. So lots of investment is still needed. In this time, it can be justifiably criticized for not being THAT beneficial to the environment and being expensive. But that doesn't mean it should not be prioritized.

In my province, we recently moved away from coal plants, and that was attributed to our green energy push, but they reality is that coal used to account for 10ish percent, now it accounts for 0, and solar/wind used to account for 0.8 and now it's like 1.8. The difference was mostly made up on the back of nuclear. We need to spend more effort on making nuclear cheaper, I think, if we want best of both worlds here.
 
Here are America's 3 core issues that lead to everything else:

1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC - Ability for corporations to fund political campaigns thus putting control of Washington into the hands of the highest bidder.

2) Education Level / Ignorance of citizens that allows them to be discouraged, demoralized, and exploited much easier. - http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-tops-oecd-s/1843546.html

3) “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinback

You're forgetting racism. Poor whites (the backbone of the Republican party) used to be a solid democratic demographic and one of the pillars of the new deal coalition. That all changed with the civil rights act. Poor whites fled the Democratic party en masse. Richard Nixon and Lee Atwater pounced on them with the southern strategy, and ever since then the Republican Party has successfully convinced that demographic to support economic policies that outright hurt them, simply because they hurt African-Americans more.
 

bebop242

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You're forgetting racism. Poor whites (the backbone of the Republican party) used to be a solid democratic demographic and one of the pillars of the new deal coalition. That all changed with the civil rights act. Poor whites fled the Democratic party en masse. Richard Nixon and Lee Atwater pounced on them with the southern strategy, and ever since then the Republican Party has successfully convinced that demographic to support economic policies that outright hurt them, simply because they hurt African-Americans more.

I think racism is a byproduct of number 2 actually.
 
Should there be laws against political camaigning that is deliberately deceptive to the uneducated?

Unfortunately, such a law would be open to so much interpretation that it could be utilized by climate change deniers - were they in power - to use it against those who advocate for climate change.
 
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