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[Coda]

Anyone hating on balance updates or disregarding the game outright, remember: Focus Attack is gone. And it's glorious.

That should be a back of the box bullet point lol.

 

[TheOGB]

So when's Official Beta 3 Thread?

 

[TheSpoiler]

That should be a back of the box bullet point lol.

• No FADC
• No goofy ass backdashes
• Did I mention no FADC?
• No FADC.
• I mean it.

 

[Secret Character]

• No FADC
• No goofy ass backdashes
• Did I mention no FADC?
• No FADC.
• I mean it.

Gone forever is c.LP x3 into special.

 

[jmelons]

• No FADC
• No goofy ass backdashes
• Did I mention no FADC?
• No FADC.
• I mean it.

No wake-up jabs. They get beaten by mediums now. I learned the hard way.

 

[Omnistalgic]

Game is fun as hell.

For some reason, I got to play for several hours yesterday, even after they tweeted about shutting the servers down.

Even with a characters I have no intention of maining (Vega and Ken), it was really exciting trying to outthink my opponent...rather than fight preplanned setups and OS's.

Toward the end, since most people probably got kicked off, I got rematches against the same couple of players over and over. And, we kept adapting and counter adapting to each other in subsequent matches.

It wasn't about combos, it's was all about movement, spacing, frame advantage, baiting, anti-airing...it was really fun. Stayed up till 6 AM.

that's the impressions I want to hear.

I don't care about nerfs/buffs, I just don't want to go through having to learn each and every character's mix-up tricks, just to stand a chance at solid defense. Too time consuming.

 

[Mizerman]

• No FADC
• No goofy ass backdashes
• Did I mention no FADC?
• No FADC.
• I mean it.

That's why I want to play SFV.

Game is fun as hell.

For some reason, I got to play for several hours yesterday, even after they tweeted about shutting the servers down.

Even with a characters I have no intention of maining (Vega and Ken), it was really exciting trying to outthink my opponent...rather than fight preplanned setups and OS's.

Toward the end, since most people probably got kicked off, I got rematches against the same couple of players over and over. And, we kept adapting and counter adapting to each other in subsequent matches.

It wasn't about combos, it's was all about movement, spacing, frame advantage, baiting, anti-airing...it was really fun. Stayed up till 6 AM.

Sounds good. Long as I'm getting any enjoyment from this game, I'll be satisfied.

 

[bob_arctor]

So it will be up all weekend beginning Friday? I missed the brief test. Damn lesson planning consuming my life.

 

[direct_quote]

• No FADC
• No goofy ass backdashes
• Did I mention no FADC?
• No FADC.
• I mean it.

I liked FADC, gave some cool combo options and they fixed the thing most people hated about it which was srks being -1 on block ( i think it was -1 for most) and made them -5 on block. FA was what sucked.

 

[pizzacat]

• No FADC
• No goofy ass backdashes
• Did I mention no FADC?
• No FADC.
• I mean it.

Wherever this goes in the box it needs to have a picture of dhalsim smiling

 

[robo_qwop]

• No FADC
• No goofy ass backdashes
• Did I mention no FADC?
• No FADC.
• I mean it.

Word. It's great that most triggers can act as a "FADC" but without the safety or defensive applications otherwise.

 

[Karsticles]

I liked FADC, gave some cool combo options and they fixed the thing most people hated about it which was srks being -1 on block ( i think it was -1 for most) and made them -5 on block. FA was what sucked.

The problem with FADCs is they let people neutralize footsies tension. It let people back off from heat too easily, leading to more defensive play. In SFV, there's a huge risk involved in backing off, since you have no invincible back-up options.

 

[FACE]

The problem with FADCs is they let people neutralize footsies tension. It let people back off from heat too easily, leading to more defensive play. In SFV, there's a huge risk involved in backing off, since you have no invincible back-up options.

And focus attacks are pretty stupid.

 

[pizzacat]

Yo anyone who hates FAs and other things that make IV, IV, should really play sfiv remix mod.

Turns it into full on anime pretty fun

 

[vulva]

The problem with FADCs is they let people neutralize footsies tension. It let people back off from heat too easily, leading to more defensive play. In SFV, there's a huge risk involved in backing off, since you have no invincible back-up options.

I like defensive play though

 

[Gbraga]

I don't think SF IV has really been a defensive game ever since Super.

I liked FADC as well. But whatever, I never wanted it back, new game, new mechanics. I'd be disappointed if FADC was back, even if I like it.

I will miss tighter links though. I still can't accept that you can just mash your links. That desk video was disgusting.

 

[direct_quote]

The problem with FADCs is they let people neutralize footsies tension. It let people back off from heat too easily, leading to more defensive play. In SFV, there's a huge risk involved in backing off, since you have no invincible back-up options.

You have to waste two meters to back off, I think it's a fair trade. Plus the problem was more or less invincible back dashes (that went really far for some) and a lot of invincible reversal options (and reversal window was huge so you could mash). But I assume the reversal window was large so you could armor break FA on wakeup or w/e..

I don't think SF IV has really been a defensive game ever since Super.

I liked FADC as well. But whatever, I never wanted it back, new game, new mechanics. I'd be disappointed if FADC was back, even if I like it.

I will miss tighter links though. I still can't accept that you can just mash your links. That desk video was disgusting.

I never had great execution but I do miss the option to attempt swag combos. That's a fun part of fighting games for me that I don't want to see go away.

 

["God's Beard!"]

You have to waste two meters to back off, I think it's a fair trade. Plus the problem was more or less invincible back dashes (that went really far for some) and a lot of invincible reversal options (and reversal window was huge so you could mash). But I assume the reversal window was large so you could armor break FA on wakeup or w/e..

They had to have invincible backdashes so characters like Vega or Sim without real reversals wouldn't auto-lose to chaining meaty focus attacks.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

Yo anyone who hates FAs and other things that make IV, IV, should really play sfiv remix mod.

Turns it into full on anime pretty fun

my Remix Seth dawg

 

["God's Beard!"]

Remix mod? You mean Omega?

 

[Holy Order Sol]

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";189581315]Remix mod? You mean Omega?[/QUOTE]

hell no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxJV9UrCtAo

 

[nded]

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";189581315]Remix mod? You mean Omega?[/QUOTE]

It's a mod for PC.

http://www.sf4remix.com/

 

[The Lone Dragon]

I'm starting to think beta testing has been a huge mistake.

On paper, it's REALLY awesome that Capcom is doing this. But, the FGC really doesn't have the right mentality for it.

People have gotten way too accustomed to being closely involved with the development process...to the point that we're taking it for granted.

Most FG companies don't do anything even REMOTELY as inclusive and transparent as this. Hell, ArcSys, for example, barely even acknowledges its overseas audience (Exhibit A: that character poll they administered exclusively in Japanese arcades that get Dizzy in the game). Most Japanese FG companies don't give a crap about their western audiences until it's time to release the port, and here Capcom is actively engaging multiple parts of the world for feedback before the game is finished.

If there had been no beta, no worldwide exposure to the game, no first hand knowledge of the constant "nerfs" and "buffs" that commonly happen in ALL fighting games pre release, people wouldn't be whining about any of this. No one would be complaining about Ryu losing a few combos here and there. People would still be going bonkers over the fact that Ryu has a parry. OMG Zangief has a vacuum and an air SPD! Vega isn't charge anymore! Mika has a frickin' assist!? This game is OUTRAGEOUS!!!

But, instead, here we are calling the game "boring" because some combos from a previous built don't work anymore.

All perspective has been lost.

 

[Rice-Eater]

If you get hit during a back dash does it count as a counter hit? Last night I got caught by Ken's st. HK while back dashing and it caused a critical counter. Although that really stood out to me, I forgot to test that out in the training mode. Anybody know whether this is true or not?

 

[Skilletor]

I liked FADC, gave some cool combo options and they fixed the thing most people hated about it which was srks being -1 on block ( i think it was -1 for most) and made them -5 on block. FA was what sucked.

That doesn't fix what I wanted, which was letting me punish your stupid upper. You should lose life for mistakes, not meter.

If you get hit during a back dash does it count as a counter hit? Last night I got caught by Ken's st. HK while back dashing and it caused a critical counter. Although that really stood out to me, I forgot to test that out in the training mode. Anybody know whether this is true or not?

It did last beta. I haven't played the most recent one.

I'm starting to think beta testing has been a huge mistake.

On paper, it's REALLY awesome that Capcom is doing this. But, the FGC really doesn't have the right mentality for it.

People have gotten way too accustomed to being closely involved with the development process...to the point that we're taking it for granted.

Most FG companies don't do anything even REMOTELY as inclusive and transparent as this. Hell, ArcSys, for example, barely even acknowledges its overseas audience (Exhibit A: that character poll they administered exclusively in Japanese arcades). Most Japanese companies don't give a crap about their western audiences until it's time to release the port, and here Capcom is actively engaging multiple parts of the world for feedback before the game is finished.

If there had been no beta, no worldwide exposure to the game, no first hand knowledge of the constant "nerfs" and "buffs" that commonly happen in ALL fighting games pre release, people wouldn't be whining about any of this. No one would be complaining about Ryu losing a few combos here and there. People would still be going bonkers over the fact that Ryu has a parry. OMG Zangief has a vacuum and an air SPD! Vega isn't charge anymore! Mika has a frickin' assist!? This game is OUTRAGEOUS!!!

But, instead, here we are calling the game "boring" because some combos from a previous built don't work anymore.

All perspective has been lost.

I completely agree.

 

[Zissou]

If you get hit during a back dash does it count as a counter hit? Last night I got caught by Ken's st. HK while back dashing and it caused a critical counter. Although that really stood out to me, I forgot to test that out in the training mode. Anybody know whether this is true or not?

Fairly certain that getting hit during a backdash registers as a CH.

 

[Gr1mLock]

Soooo... where's the beta?

 

[deftech sold out]

Which characters are going to be available during this beta phase?

 

[NoctisVsStar]

I'm starting to think beta testing has been a huge mistake.

On paper, it's REALLY awesome that Capcom is doing this. But, the FGC really doesn't have the right mentality for it.

People have gotten way too accustomed to being closely involved with the development process...to the point that we're taking it for granted.

Most FG companies don't do anything even REMOTELY as inclusive and transparent as this. Hell, ArcSys, for example, barely even acknowledges its overseas audience (Exhibit A: that character poll they administered exclusively in Japanese arcades). Most Japanese companies don't give a crap about their western audiences until it's time to release the port, and here Capcom is actively engaging multiple parts of the world for feedback before the game is finished.

If there had been no beta, no worldwide exposure to the game, no first hand knowledge of the constant "nerfs" and "buffs" that commonly happen in ALL fighting games pre release, people wouldn't be whining about any of this. No one would be complaining about Ryu losing a few combos here and there. People would still be going bonkers over the fact that Ryu has a parry. OMG Zangief has a vacuum and an air SPD! Vega isn't charge anymore! Mika has a frickin' assist!? This game is OUTRAGEOUS!!!

But, instead, here we are calling the game "boring" because some combos from a previous built don't work anymore.

All perspective has been lost.

SF fans are like FF they panic whenever a new entry is released. Don't give it much thought.

 

[Mizerman]

I'm starting to think beta testing has been a huge mistake.

On paper, it's REALLY awesome that Capcom is doing this. But, the FGC really doesn't have the right mentality for it.

People have gotten way too accustomed to being closely involved with the development process...to the point that we're taking it for granted.

Most FG companies don't do anything even REMOTELY as inclusive and transparent as this. Hell, ArcSys, for example, barely even acknowledges its overseas audience (Exhibit A: that character poll they administered exclusively in Japanese arcades that get Dizzy in the game). Most Japanese FG companies don't give a crap about their western audiences until it's time to release the port, and here Capcom is actively engaging multiple parts of the world for feedback before the game is finished.

If there had been no beta, no worldwide exposure to the game, no first hand knowledge of the constant "nerfs" and "buffs" that commonly happen in ALL fighting games pre release, people wouldn't be whining about any of this. No one would be complaining about Ryu losing a few combos here and there. People would still be going bonkers over the fact that Ryu has a parry. OMG Zangief has a vacuum and an air SPD! Vega isn't charge anymore! Mika has a frickin' assist!? This game is OUTRAGEOUS!!!

But, instead, here we are calling the game "boring" because some combos from a previous built don't work anymore.

All perspective has been lost.

It was going to happen, one way or another. Best not to worry too much about it.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Edit: Changed my mind.

On the beta stuff, it's something people have to get used to. Expect to be testing netcode, and the feel of abilities/animations instead of balance, because most companies have an idea of how they want to balance things via controlled testing. Otherwise a good Dan player that wipes the floor with everyone could probably tilt the scales in getting him nerfed. Like early grapple characters, it takes a long time for the community to learn how to counter them. Also who knows, maybe capcom could be testing how people will play pokes are elbow distances one beta weekend, for science.

 

[Coda]

I'm starting to think beta testing has been a huge mistake.

On paper, it's REALLY awesome that Capcom is doing this. But, the FGC really doesn't have the right mentality for it.

People have gotten way too accustomed to being closely involved with the development process...to the point that we're taking it for granted.

Most FG companies don't do anything even REMOTELY as inclusive and transparent as this. Hell, ArcSys, for example, barely even acknowledges its overseas audience (Exhibit A: that character poll they administered exclusively in Japanese arcades that get Dizzy in the game). Most Japanese FG companies don't give a crap about their western audiences until it's time to release the port, and here Capcom is actively engaging multiple parts of the world for feedback before the game is finished.

If there had been no beta, no worldwide exposure to the game, no first hand knowledge of the constant "nerfs" and "buffs" that commonly happen in ALL fighting games pre release, people wouldn't be whining about any of this. No one would be complaining about Ryu losing a few combos here and there. People would still be going bonkers over the fact that Ryu has a parry. OMG Zangief has a vacuum and an air SPD! Vega isn't charge anymore! Mika has a frickin' assist!? This game is OUTRAGEOUS!!!

But, instead, here we are calling the game "boring" because some combos from a previous built don't work anymore.

All perspective has been lost.

I can agree with this, I still think considering how the first beta went we definitely needed them so Capcom could work out their network issues. All and all I think people will complain less once the game is released and people are having fun with it.

 

[direct_quote]

I think Capcom needed the beta for marketing purposes along with finetuning their netcode. Because SFV's longevity highly depends on how stable it will be online.

Honestly SFV advertising budget feels slim, we haven't gotten any CG trailers like we did for SF4, SFxT, and MvC3...

 

[NoctisVsStar]

I think Capcom needed the beta for marketing purposes along with finetuning their netcode. Because SFV's longevity highly depends on how stable it will be online.

Honestly SFV advertising budget feels slim, we haven't gotten any CG trailers like we did for SF4, SFxT, and MvC3...

The menu is esports now lol it feels weird like the game literally feels like a service.. I mean capcom did poundered about F2P but based Ono saved us.

 

[Skilletor]

I think Capcom needed the beta for marketing purposes along with finetuning their netcode. Because SFV's longevity highly depends on how stable it will be online.

Honestly SFV advertising budget feels slim, we haven't gotten any CG trailers like we did for SF4, SFxT, and MvC3...

I'd think it's because they're spending money on things like an entirely new delivery method for fighters, pots for tournaments, and beta testing.

 

[Ferrio]

What's the first major after SFV's release?

 

[ACE 1991]

I'm hoping there will be a good influx of new players when this drops. The hori kai I ordered comes in on Friday, and I'll definitely be playing the beta, but the best way to get better would be to play USF4 until 5 drops, right?

 

[Producer]

What's the first major after SFV's release?

Final Round i think

 

[Lulubop]

What's the first major after SFV's release?

There's a smaller scale CEO tournament before Final Round, but Final Round is the first major since it's a cpt tournament and all that.

 

[Freshmaker]

I'm hoping there will be a good influx of new players when this drops. The hori kai I ordered comes in on Friday, and I'll definitely be playing the beta, but the best way to get better would be to play USF4 until 5 drops, right?

SFV kinda sits in a weird space. It feels more like Super Street Fighter 2 than it does IV.

 

[Coda]

I'm hoping there will be a good influx of new players when this drops. The hori kai I ordered comes in on Friday, and I'll definitely be playing the beta, but the best way to get better would be to play USF4 until 5 drops, right?

For fundamentals yes but otherwise they both feel very different.

 

[Skilletor]

I'm hoping there will be a good influx of new players when this drops. The hori kai I ordered comes in on Friday, and I'll definitely be playing the beta, but the best way to get better would be to play USF4 until 5 drops, right?

SF3 or Alpha 3, imo. Borrows a lot from both. Flow of the game feels more like 3.

 

[Ferrio]

Final Round i think

There's a smaller scale CEO tournament before Final Round, but Final Round is the first major since it's a cpt tournament and all that.

Awesome. Can't wait to see how the first tournies pan out. Would be nice to see new faces rise up.

 

[tribal24]

I'm starting to think beta testing has been a huge mistake.

On paper, it's REALLY awesome that Capcom is doing this. But, the FGC really doesn't have the right mentality for it.

People have gotten way too accustomed to being closely involved with the development process...to the point that we're taking it for granted.

Most FG companies don't do anything even REMOTELY as inclusive and transparent as this. Hell, ArcSys, for example, barely even acknowledges its overseas audience (Exhibit A: that character poll they administered exclusively in Japanese arcades that get Dizzy in the game). Most Japanese FG companies don't give a crap about their western audiences until it's time to release the port, and here Capcom is actively engaging multiple parts of the world for feedback before the game is finished.

If there had been no beta, no worldwide exposure to the game, no first hand knowledge of the constant "nerfs" and "buffs" that commonly happen in ALL fighting games pre release, people wouldn't be whining about any of this. No one would be complaining about Ryu losing a few combos here and there. People would still be going bonkers over the fact that Ryu has a parry. OMG Zangief has a vacuum and an air SPD! Vega isn't charge anymore! Mika has a frickin' assist!? This game is OUTRAGEOUS!!!

But, instead, here we are calling the game "boring" because some combos from a previous built don't work anymore.

All perspective has been lost.

Yeah I agree this can make capcom start tweaking around stuff that doesn't need it. I'm wondering how much balance updates they're planning for 2016 alone.

 

[Mufausa The 3rd]

I'm starting to think beta testing has been a huge mistake.

On paper, it's REALLY awesome that Capcom is doing this. But, the FGC really doesn't have the right mentality for it.

People have gotten way too accustomed to being closely involved with the development process...to the point that we're taking it for granted.

Most FG companies don't do anything even REMOTELY as inclusive and transparent as this. Hell, ArcSys, for example, barely even acknowledges its overseas audience (Exhibit A: that character poll they administered exclusively in Japanese arcades that get Dizzy in the game). Most Japanese FG companies don't give a crap about their western audiences until it's time to release the port, and here Capcom is actively engaging multiple parts of the world for feedback before the game is finished.

If there had been no beta, no worldwide exposure to the game, no first hand knowledge of the constant "nerfs" and "buffs" that commonly happen in ALL fighting games pre release, people wouldn't be whining about any of this. No one would be complaining about Ryu losing a few combos here and there. People would still be going bonkers over the fact that Ryu has a parry. OMG Zangief has a vacuum and an air SPD! Vega isn't charge anymore! Mika has a frickin' assist!? This game is OUTRAGEOUS!!!

But, instead, here we are calling the game "boring" because some combos from a previous built don't work anymore.

All perspective has been lost.

You gotta realize though. The Street Fighter IP is actually owned by Capcom USA. Not Capcom Japan.

 

[ShinMaruku]

You gotta realize though. The Street Fighter IP is actually owned by Capcom USA. Not Capcom Japan.

Capcom USA is a subsidiary of Capcom Japan.

 

[VariantX]

I'm starting to think beta testing has been a huge mistake.

On paper, it's REALLY awesome that Capcom is doing this. But, the FGC really doesn't have the right mentality for it.

People have gotten way too accustomed to being closely involved with the development process...to the point that we're taking it for granted.

Most FG companies don't do anything even REMOTELY as inclusive and transparent as this. Hell, ArcSys, for example, barely even acknowledges its overseas audience (Exhibit A: that character poll they administered exclusively in Japanese arcades that get Dizzy in the game). Most Japanese FG companies don't give a crap about their western audiences until it's time to release the port, and here Capcom is actively engaging multiple parts of the world for feedback before the game is finished.

If there had been no beta, no worldwide exposure to the game, no first hand knowledge of the constant "nerfs" and "buffs" that commonly happen in ALL fighting games pre release, people wouldn't be whining about any of this. No one would be complaining about Ryu losing a few combos here and there. People would still be going bonkers over the fact that Ryu has a parry. OMG Zangief has a vacuum and an air SPD! Vega isn't charge anymore! Mika has a frickin' assist!? This game is OUTRAGEOUS!!!

But, instead, here we are calling the game "boring" because some combos from a previous built don't work anymore.

All perspective has been lost.

I still think it was a good idea in the long run, so Capcom finally could deliver a game with excellent netcode on day one and not day 50, 100, or 200. All those character changes are fluid and will continue to be fluid after release as the game gets updates every so often.

 

[pizzacat]

I'm starting to think beta testing has been a huge mistake.

On paper, it's REALLY awesome that Capcom is doing this. But, the FGC really doesn't have the right mentality for it.

People have gotten way too accustomed to being closely involved with the development process...to the point that we're taking it for granted.

Most FG companies don't do anything even REMOTELY as inclusive and transparent as this. Hell, ArcSys, for example, barely even acknowledges its overseas audience (Exhibit A: that character poll they administered exclusively in Japanese arcades that get Dizzy in the game). Most Japanese FG companies don't give a crap about their western audiences until it's time to release the port, and here Capcom is actively engaging multiple parts of the world for feedback before the game is finished.

If there had been no beta, no worldwide exposure to the game, no first hand knowledge of the constant "nerfs" and "buffs" that commonly happen in ALL fighting games pre release, people wouldn't be whining about any of this. No one would be complaining about Ryu losing a few combos here and there. People would still be going bonkers over the fact that Ryu has a parry. OMG Zangief has a vacuum and an air SPD! Vega isn't charge anymore! Mika has a frickin' assist!? This game is OUTRAGEOUS!!!

But, instead, here we are calling the game "boring" because some combos from a previous built don't work anymore.

All perspective has been lost.

If capcom was making this on their own there probably wouldn't be a beta

 

[Rentahamster]

I'm starting to think beta testing has been a huge mistake.

On paper, it's REALLY awesome that Capcom is doing this. But, the FGC really doesn't have the right mentality for it.
...

All perspective has been lost.

Nobody really knows how to play the game yet, so I wouldn't worry about it. I'm glad the beta test is working out issues so that online play will be at a better place on day one than it would have been without a test.

 

[grimmiq]

Have 2 PS4 spare "friend codes", if anyone is too lazy to pre-order/cancel from Amazon.