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Street Fighter V |OTVIIII| New Generation - Fighting Game Is Something So Great
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People = Max.
SneakersSO
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Max has gone on record as stating that Ken's face in SFV has single-handedly made him hate the character. Keep in mind, even Ken's character select face is infinitely better than SF4 Ken by leaps & bounds. It's the only character in Street Fighter that comes under such intense scrutiny over how his face looks (excluding Chun in MvCI).
Max is somehow the most popular person in the FGC, so people = Max is unfortunately true.
UcchedavÄda
Member
MvCI Chun is a beautiful butterfly. I have put her in many avatars and they have been improved by it.
lucebuce12
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<3Ucchedavāda;245410446 said:
To be fair, I can totally relate to not wanting to play a character based on how shit they look or their shitty personality/backstory (*cough*necalli*cough*). Ken looked like ass in SF4, but he was still in line with the rest of that games shitty style. In SFV, Ken's character select face stands out as especially bad when compared to the rest of the cast, and it's made worse by the fact that Ken's character is kind of supposed to be a rich pretty boy.
All of this could have really been solved if they hired someone (not Bengus) to draw character select portraits. Or even better, just adjust the character select pose so that Ken doesn't look so goddamned weird. He looks pretty normal in so many other shots.
Same thing with Ibuki. Adjust the camera angle a little bit and I'm sure she'd look fine.
Straw hair, apefaced Ken doesn't do it for you?
I always found it funny he went to the lengths of installing a mod that made it so that he wouldn't have to look at Ken's face in the character select screen (plus replacing him with a model based off himself lol).
I guess you have a point.
Etrian Oddity
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lucebuce12
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As someone who got into the fighting game scene in 2015, why IS Max so popular?
Ibuki is actually fairly pretty in the game, it's just the angle of her win pose that needs work. Character select poses are way more problematic since it's what you're seeing the most, and Ken's is the worst because he's the default player 2 character so he's actually the first thing you see every single time you go into character select.
I'm surprised Ken even has fans considering the way Capcom has treated him across two games now. In SF4 he was a He-Man looking motherfucker who occasionally dressed up like Roy Rogers. Now he looks like he dunked his bangs into some Dapper Dan and Capcom gives him some sort of Santa Pimp Evel Knievel costume. I don't think they have any idea what the character is supposed to be.
Imagine having this for Abigail's select portrait
For some reason I actually love that art.
Imagine having this for Abigail's select portrait
I said it when I first saw it, but it feels like a Jojo's reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYGjOWQ0W6I
Ken looks great in story mode even though the modeling of his bangs is still weird. They could totally bring the character select and win screen poses up to story mode quality. I really want hand drawn character portraits now tho.
lucebuce12
Member
He wears the same clothes as Ken, only it's Red. And his moves look like Ryu's but he's on fire during them.
That's the most thought any one's ever put into what Ken should be like.
He appeals to a casual audience. When I started to get into fighters around 2011, his content on MvC and eventually SF4/KI was by far the easiest to watch and digest. It's just that his appeal starts to lessen as you start to learn more about fighters and the FGC, and on top of that his content has just gotten a lot worse since he became a full time streamer.
UcchedavÄda
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Bigger Reddit communities either have strict moderation, akin to NeoGAF, or they are a minefield of shit. There is really no in-between.
He's YouTuber popular which means he's an excitable guy with lots of catchphrases ("DOODS", "LET'S GO", "DANK HORSESHIT", etc.). For the longest time, and even now to some degree, he was very disliked by the FGC. I like Max because he's an articulate guy and pretty knowledgeable about fighting games (and a better player than most of the people posting on FGC forums). I like him less when he's in streamer mode, though, but he's still one of the more enjoyable fighting game streamers out there.
They could also swap out using the character models from the select screen for those character portraits that someome ripped from CFN site a little while ago. Those look pretty nice.
Some of the character models are very high quality, so I get Capcom wanting to use them. Using them also allows you to see alternate costumes/colors and whatnot.
Some of the character models are very high quality, so I get Capcom wanting to use them. Using them also allows you to see alternate costumes/colors and whatnot.
His series of MvC3 tutorials "Assist Me" is what got him popular and reached the casuals fighting games audience, he put a lot of effort into those, totally deserved:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV0f2AicQPQ
SneakersSO
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Stream consistency & variety. He's really the only one in the FGC who produces stream content on par with many other streamers. He puts in the hours. No one else in the FGC is really staying that consistent to stream hours or production. And it took years for Max to grow his audience to the level that it is now, which is still basically insignificant compared to how big other genre-streamers can get it to in a quarter of the same amount of time.
Brian_F does have a pull though. He streams consistently & interacts with his streamers way better than most other competitive FGC streamers. I can see Brian_F growing his audience by a healthy margin in the next year or two if he could increase his production.
Marvel
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Wow you got into it the same time as me. Two years ago.
lucebuce12
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Spend an hour on gaming side and tell me that NeoGAF can't also be a minefield of shit.Ucchedavāda;245411355 said:
Ahh cool.
Yeah I don't enjoy his streams at all but some of the videos he puts out, particularly the one where he talks on serious topics (like his recent video on the competition between MvC:I and DBFZ) are actually well made. He does raise very good points in a succinct manner.
EVO 2015 was a wonderful time.
Ken isn't a Dapper Dan man. He got the Fop.
Do we have different definitions of articulate? Not to rag on the guy too much since he genuinely seems like a nice dude, but this just really stood out to me since one of the main things I've noticed about him even from the beginning when I actually subbed to him is that he does not have a way with words. It actually gets hard to listen to him sometimes because of how frequently he flat out misuses words.
Maybe? I haven't noticed anything like that in his videos where he's clearly pre-written things. He sounds completely different when he's reacting to things/streaming matches.
Maybe articulate isn't the best word for what I wanted to express (which is ironic). I think he's able to express his opinions with nuance.
Yeah, I get you. I probably shouldn't have pointed it out anyway since it's off topic, but it's just something I've always noticed about him so I couldn't help it.
Agreed. I'm not a huge fan of his streaming stuff, but he's a great contributer, and his content is varied and constant.
I definitely got friends into MvC3 thanks to his Assist Me videos, they were easy to digest, understand, and there wasn't much like it at the time.
SneakersSO
Member
Hmmmmm. Here's the thing with Max - he really doesn't cover the games at the top of the FGC. He covered SFV pre-launch but quickly dropped it for his stated reasons. He also doesn't really play or enjoy Smash - he just respects it. He's actually spent more time this year playing Nioh/Bloodborne/Dark Souls 3 on his stream, as well as replaying several older games he really enjoys, whether thats CoD:MWR or FF7.
Of all the fighting games that encompasses the modern FGC, Max probably spends most of his time playing Tekken, the current NRS fighter, & KI. Even then, he didn't play Tekken for a long time; he just went 7 weeks without touching Tekken 7. The latest NRS fighter & KI probably get 70-80% of his fighting game stream time. I'd say his streamed playthroughs of non-fighting games has probably contributed just as much if not more to helping grow his audience than any one singular fighting game he covers at any given time.
All this to say - I really don't make this connection anymore with Max & him being this top FGC streamer, since he doesn't really have a taste for the games that dominate the FGC, and he also spends just as much if not more stream time playing & covering non-fighting games as he does fighting games. Max also rarely, if ever, gives any coverage to big major tournaments that occur unless he's involved in it. He doesn't really go over tournament results or comments on the current happenings on the FGC itself. He doesn't even really interact with other top players in any respective game on stream either.
I honestly think Max could be bringing in more people with his stream & efforts into fighting games if he wanted to. Max certainly has the ability of breaking down fighting game & the sorta meta that encompasses it into easily understand phrases & terms. I've seen him do it on stream for several fighting games he's played. He also has a big enough audience that he could probably organize a community tournament for his audience and cover it on his various channels, and he could do it for a multitude of games.
UcchedavÄda
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I watched a lot of Max and EE when I first got into fighting games (2014).
EE is dying a painful death, but Max is still engaging despite not liking SFV, and really being his own thing (as Sneakers points out).
GAF has plenty of shit-heads, even with its higher than average barrier to entry and its much strict than average moderation. It is, however, nothing compared to open forums where moderation is lax at best.
EE is dying a painful death, but Max is still engaging despite not liking SFV, and really being his own thing (as Sneakers points out).
GAF has plenty of shit-heads, even with its higher than average barrier to entry and its much strict than average moderation. It is, however, nothing compared to open forums where moderation is lax at best.
Yeah, I pretty much agree with most of this. I like (some of) Max's stuff, but the guy's more a YouTuber than an FGC guy, which is fine. Though I think some of his reasons for dropping SFV are fairly petty (like Ken's face) he's entitled to play what he wants to play. It is his channel after all. I mean, at least he still plays the new DLC characters for a little bit, even if he doesn't ultimately like them.
lucebuce12
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EE?Ucchedavāda;245413629 said:
Fair enough!Ucchedavāda;245413629 said:
He's a variety streamer with a focus on fighting games. I don't know what you guys want lol.
He introduces people to the hype that is fighting games. If they want to discover more about the happenings of the FGC it is easy to do so from there.
I don't watch his videos very much anymore, but I still catch some. I like bloodborne and dark souls as well so yeah. Seems fine to me.
He introduces people to the hype that is fighting games. If they want to discover more about the happenings of the FGC it is easy to do so from there.
I don't watch his videos very much anymore, but I still catch some. I like bloodborne and dark souls as well so yeah. Seems fine to me.
UcchedavÄda
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I'm tired and can't spell.
I meant Excellent Adventures, not whatever EE would stand for.
lucebuce12
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Let's not talk about the man that has baffled scientists with his ability to fuck up everytime.
Well, I agree with him there and I think a lot people looked at V and felt like it looked too much like 4. With that being said I think V's art style is 10x better than 4's. SFV's art style is what SF4's art style would be if it was executed well.
But I would also say the jump reminds of 2 to 3 or Alpha to 3. In SF4 you had all this slavish devotion to SF2, including the goofy normals looked. A lot of normals in SF2 looked dumb because they were re-using sprites constantly (Guile's upside down kick is a flipped air normal and his sweep is just LK, MK in a row.)
For instance, in III they replaced Ryu and Ken's goofy looking rotating sweeps into something that looks more like an actual sweep. In V they did the same thing. The moves animate with a lot more care in V than they did in IV which felt like they were trying to replicate SF2 too heavily.
UcchedavÄda
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lucebuce12
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A professional Dota 2 player. He's famous because he's VERY good yet does the absolute stupidest things at the absolute worst times.Ucchedavāda;245414139 said:
When he was captaining his own team, shit got weird. You had no idea when things could fall apart. They could take down the heaviest teams, and get bodied by the shittiest teams. They could get a gold and XP advantage where most other teams would just call the match and take the L and yet this guy usually fucks it up anyway and throws the match. Or chokes when they he has to perform.
SneakersSO
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I'm not shitting on the guy - I quite enjoy a lot of the content he produces, despite the fact that I don't really follow the fighting games he prefers to play (especially the current NRS fighter & KI). However, for the fighting games he does enjoy, lets say whether thats KI or the newest NRS game, I do think that Max could do a better job sorta creating a bridge between his audience and the competitive scenes in those respective games. He commentates KI tournaments from time to time, but outside of that, you don't really see him interact or try & push the competitive community for those two games in any real way, which is a shame cause the competitive community for those two games could use some real propping up & growth.
NRS fighters in particular have woefully small competitive scenes, which stands in stark contrast to just how many units they sell in comparison to everyone else in the genre.
I don't think that's true at all. Like a said, even without hardware limitations faces are wildly different. SF4 takes exaggeration to another level and SFV is more grounding in a way that 3s was. The use of colors is also much more bold like I said.
Guile's face from 4 to 5 doesn't seem like a natural evolution of 4's art-style, it's reverting back to a more grounded look like 3.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
I know I'm 100% late on this--and my old man memory probably forgot--but I never realized Abi's throw off his run actually was in FF. Mind blown.
SneakersSO
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I know I'm 100% late on this--and my old man memory probably forgot--but I never realized Abi's throw off his run actually was in FF. Mind blown.
wtf is going on behind the statue of liberty in that gif!?!?