I assume that statement is irrespective of the benchmark employed?
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Substance Engine benchmark implies PS4 CPU is faster than Xbox One's
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I assume that statement is irrespective of the benchmark employed?
But Xbox has no where near the same 3rd party support problems.
If you say so...
schwabdizzle
Banned
I thought this was known already.
Zombie James
Banned
They should remake it with CG.
They would just lie.
Can Crusher
Banned
Isn't it funny how that guy has disappeared into thin air after his fud marketing campaign on gaf ended as soon as the Xbox One launched?
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Pretty disappointed they're being outperformed in every possible way.
Albert Penello said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80951633&postcount=195
Albert Penello strikes again. MS math etc etc.
I'm not really surprised by this to be honest, which is why I called Albert out when he made that statement about the CPU despite the PS4 info being unpublished.
It was a Panello reference
) MS is nowhere as near fucked as Nintendo for 3rd party support. Multiplatform games will still come to Xbone.
Metalmurphy
Member
virtualization of what?
I'm curious, did he ever post again after the console releases and the performance difference became a stone hard fact?
FranXico
Member
Gaming "experiences".
Like the GameCube MS will be receiving ports which can't be said for the Wii U, however those "superior" multiplatform games MS enjoyed for 2 generations won't be a selling point for the ZOne this time round, will be interesting to see.
It's racing game no. 5, isn't it?
GameAddict411
Member
by your logic the wii-u should be priced at $50.
Well it's the reason I bought an OG Xbox as my primary. It's also the reason I bought a 360 as my primary. So I do say so.
As much as I asked yesterday why there was no battery indicator, vibration off option on the dashboard ans no space used display for xbone. There is still no way for me to play the next alan wake on anything other than xbone.
That reason alone will stop me selling it and keeping my PS4 only.
EDIT: Please don't fuck up Halo 5 like you did with H4.
That reason alone will stop me selling it and keeping my PS4 only.
EDIT: Please don't fuck up Halo 5 like you did with H4.
FranXico
Member
The WinRT virtualization layer.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
To be fair, by all accounts the XBO is noticeably quieter than the PS4 (not that the latter is loud, just louder). So there's that, and... that's pretty much it. In every other way the PS4 certainly looks like a significantly better designed machine.
ArchedThunder
Banned
They can't, due to the parts they picked the Xbone without Kinect is more expensive to make than the PS4.
Can Crusher
Banned
Alan Wake ain't getting a sequel. Remedy is a 1 team studio and they are doing Quantum Break. Which is probably going to be awesome.
sshhh....don't tell that to nintendo fans
FranXico
Member
It would probably make a killing at that price.
Nevermind that games would cost more than the console, though.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It was their decision to make something that won't be losing them truckloads of money yes. Because that's what they'd have to do if they wanted to improve on PS4 hardware wise while not charging more money for it.
Not quite that CPU's are weak, at least in PS4. Game like Planetside 2 is heavy CPU eater on PC. According to SOE, Planetside 2 on PS4 will be indentical to PC version - 2000 players, huge draw distance etc.
Yep! CPU's in consoles work in different circumstances.
Its all Kind of funny when you consider Alberts/MS Post on Gaf suggesting their CPU was faster/Specifically the bolded CPU points. please ignore the other debated and debunked theorys including the CU's/Esram etc (lol)
• 18 CU's vs. 12 CU's =/= 50% more performance. Multi-core processors have inherent inefficiency with more CU's, so it's simply incorrect to say 50% more GPU.
• Adding to that, each of our CU's is running 6% faster. It's not simply a 6% clock speed increase overall.
• We have more memory bandwidth. 176gb/sec is peak on paper for GDDR5. Our peak on paper is 272gb/sec. (68gb/sec DDR3 + 204gb/sec on ESRAM). ESRAM can do read/write cycles simultaneously so I see this number mis-quoted.
• We have at least 10% more CPU. Not only a faster processor, but a better audio chip also offloading CPU cycles.
• We understand GPGPU and its importance very well. Microsoft invented Direct Compute, and have been using GPGPU in a shipping product since 2010 - it's called Kinect.
• Speaking of GPGPU - we have 3X the coherent bandwidth for GPGPU at 30gb/sec which significantly improves our ability for the CPU to efficiently read data generated by the GPU.
http://67.227.255.239/forum/showpost.php?p=80951633&postcount=195
lol Slightly beaten, was working on the image etc
ArchedThunder
Banned
Is it? I haven't played an Xbone, but my PS4 is dead quiet.
Only in the 1 million consoles sold thread and the launch thread. He no longer talks about performance.
TheSinkingKnight
Member
$99.99 would be quite a sweet spot for that console. Or maybe $129.99.
Panajev2001a
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... which for a console makes a lot of sense. Compared to a PC with multiple windowed apps and the likelyhood that more than 1 of them is doing non lightweight work at a time, game consoles or even devices like iPhone or iPad you mostly do heavy duty work on the currently foregrounded app as you do not really have a way to quickly interact with more than one app at a time. In such cases, if switching from one full screen app to another and back is fast enough, the point of dedicating lots of resources to background applications is lost... you do not have to do that.
Sounds about right, I bought the Wii for £40, and I'm struggling to justify paying more than double that for the Wii U.
LiquidSolid
Member
Wrong. Here's a statement from Albert Penello during his laughable "bullshit math" phase back in September:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80951633&postcount=195
Edit: Beaten by Vizzeh. Curse yooooouuuuuuu!
Bacon's Love Child
Banned
They have more clouds or something.
And millions of other people bought previous Xbox consoles (as well as previous Playstation consoles for that matter since the past 3 didn't have the best looking multiplats) due to games & features.
So yes, gamers buy consoles for different personal reasons which (surprisingly) some don't seem to understand.
GameAddict411
Member
sony isn't losing trucks loads of money too, if MS microsoft didn't bundle the kinect at $500 they could have designed a console 2x the power of the PS4 without taking major losses.
Sorry, it means when you fuck up you have to deal with it. If you live a trife life you can't be mad when someone does you dirty. If you're in the game slangin' stepped on RAM and trying to stretch that rez with too much scaler don't be surprised when a fiend comes and bust ya head.
lol
Microsoft BOUGHT Direct X technology from RenderMorphics 18 years ago.
Last post he made was on Xbone launch day, and he mostly talked about sales that day. No comments on performance.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
That's what people say. I personally haven't heard the sound of an XBO in real life, since the console doesn't exist here yet, but with it being so much larger and having a larger fan (a larger fan can move more air than a smaller one without having to spin as fast) I can certainly believe it.
And no, your PS4 isn't "dead quiet". It couldn't possibly be, it has a fan running at all times after all. Maybe you meant to say that you don't notice it over the game audio, which I'd be more inclined to believe.
Isn't everything virtualized on the Xbone? They made a big deal about their three OS's - my understanding is that the game OS and the system OS are running as virtual machines under a hypervisor OS.
GameAddict411
Member
the PS4 is only quieter during blu-ray movies, other than that the PS4 is louder in most cases, anyway in real world situations both are very quiet expecially if you compare them to their predecessors.
Oh I understand it. I wasn't the one who said "I don't understand why anybody would buy one" because that's a pretty stupid statement to make. But another 80 mil vs 80 mil sales generation is all but guaranteed not to happen IMO.
And for me personally, I'm disappointed in the specs for the money.
Or it depends on how big his room is and how far he sits away, what is around the console etc.
Once it's up and running, even with game discs, mine is silent from where I sit with no game audio. Sometimes if I paused a game and went away for a bit, I forget it's even on since it is that quiet. Of course, installing a game though, yeah there is definitely sound, but still a lot quieter than the ps3 and 360 imo.
Also, yeah, I heard the Xbone is even more quiet.
Although would 0.25ghz (up on 1.75ghz) over 7 Cores create the delta of 2mb/s 14vs12mb/s?
Muppet of a Man
Member
AHahaha! This one always gets me.
So X1 is literally inferior hardware-wise (CPU, GPU, memory subsystem) in every aspect, except perhaps the audio block (which needs extra horsepower to deal with Kinect). Maybe those devs that claimed PS4 was literally 50% more powerful were not exaggerating.
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