Tabz said:Imagine if Tom cruise gets to be the new spiderman.
BobTheFork said:It was never even the design or voice I was the most angry about. Sure I didn't like it but when I read that quote in Game Informer 2 months ago about trying to make him more into "Tony Hawk with supers powers" it felt insulting.
It was like they did some market research and said "well we know nobody liked Cole because he doesn't have any dominant traits that sku well with 18-35 year olds"
Trying to make him more cool or hip or Xtreme(tm) or mainstream is just watering down the character. I don't want all of my damn super heroes to throw pithy one-liners or go "WOOOOOOOOO" all the time.
Cole felt real because he was angry, beaten down, left, and even betrayed. He started the game with everything he wanted and ended it with only his own power to believe in. New Cole just wants to chill and cruise and down a Go-Gurt
Trevelyan said:Dear Sucker Punch,
Please don't listen to your fans. If I wanted to play as Nathan Hale again I'd go back to Resistance.
BobTheFork said:New Cole just wants to chill and cruise and down a Go-Gurt
Irish said:That would be awesome. Almost as awesome as GI Cole.
Segata Sanshiro said:So we've gone from not-Cole back to Cole.
I'm really shocked how many people that clearly didn't like inFamous are so interested in the particulars of its sequel.
That's what he's supposed to be... He was a nobody, a simple courrier guy not Nomura's wetest dream.canova said:lame! lame!
Old Cole is boring and generic
lol well Cole was a bike messenger in the first game and he didn't act like that. IT's the whole Xtreme attitude adjustment I don't care for.Blast Processing said::lol
What's with all the bike messenger stereotyping in this thread, anyway?
edgefusion said:. The old Cole is bulky and silly looking, the only thing he's dressed for is getting wasted outside of Tesco off a bottle of White Lightning.
hamchan said:I expected them to explain why his personality changed so radically.
Well that's what many of us were saying when they changed it in the first place citing 'fan opinion' Now it's what it should be (mostly untouched).hamchan said:What a shame they let the fans influence them so much. They should respect their fans but in no way should they let them have so much power.
seady said:Design 101:
Listen but don't follow the general public's opinion. Because their limited creative mind and comfort zone tell them they only want more of the same. They don't know what is good until you hand it to them.
Paco said:This over and over.
That's fine. Dress old Cole up in the new clothes. Let old Cole grow out his hair. I have no problem with any of these things. But they changed literally everything, down to his facial structure. That's not a character revamp, that's a character replacement, and it's freaking weird. If you want to make a new guy and get rid of Cole, then make a new guy and get rid of Cole. I'd miss Cole and they'd have to restart the story, but whatever. If, however, you want to keep telling Cole's story (and it is a very personal story), then the character shouldn't be changed wholesale.edgefusion said:I don't know if that second comment was aimed at me or not but I love inFamous, it's one of my favourite games from the current gen and I'm super excited for the sequel. I really liked the new Cole, he looks dressed for parkour and athletics, as he should be. The old Cole is bulky and silly looking, the only thing he's dressed for is getting wasted outside of Tesco off a bottle of White Lightning.
Segata Sanshiro said:That's fine. Dress old Cole up in the new clothes. Let old Cole grow out his hair. I have no problem with any of these things. But they changed literally everything, down to his facial structure. That's not a character revamp, that's a character replacement, and it's freaking weird. If you want to make a new guy and get rid of Cole, then make a new guy and get rid of Cole. I'd miss Cole and they'd have to restart the story, but whatever. If, however, you want to keep telling Cole's story (and it is a very personal story), then the character shouldn't be changed wholesale.
It's a videogame not a movie or TV show. It's not a real person, they shouldn't have to stick to the confines of one designSegata Sanshiro said:That's fine. Dress old Cole up in the new clothes. Let old Cole grow out his hair. I have no problem with any of these things. But they changed literally everything, down to his facial structure. That's not a character revamp, that's a character replacement, and it's freaking weird. If you want to make a new guy and get rid of Cole, then make a new guy and get rid of Cole. I'd miss Cole and they'd have to restart the story, but whatever. If, however, you want to keep telling Cole's story (and it is a very personal story), then the character shouldn't be changed wholesale.
Consistency isn't any less important for fictional characters. If anything it's more important, because the design is such a big part of what makes them memorable. Most cartoon characters never even change their clothes.Yoboman said:It's a videogame not a movie or TV show. It's not a real person, they shouldn't have to stick to the confines of one design
Oh lord. So you would be okay if in Metal Gear Solid, Snake looked like Snake, then in the next one, Snake looked like Raiden, then in the next one, he looked like an African-American with cornrows, then in part 4, he looked like Zeke from inFamous, all the while everyone calling him Snake and treating him like the same character and acting like nothing's changed?Yoboman said:It's a videogame not a movie or TV show. It's not a real person, they shouldn't have to stick to the confines of one design
Irish said:See, that's the thing. Old Cole and New Cole looked pretty similar. It's not like one version looked like Genghis Khan and the other one looked like Al Sharpton.
Yeah, it's more like Terrence Howard and Don Cheadle.Irish said:See, that's the thing. Old Cole and New Cole looked pretty similar. It's not like one version looked like Genghis Khan and the other one looked like Al Sharpton.
If they are going to pretend that the new design that looks nothing like the old one is the same guy then what's the point? Just call it a new guy.Yoboman said:It's a videogame not a movie or TV show. It's not a real person, they shouldn't have to stick to the confines of one design
Segata Sanshiro said:That's fine. Dress old Cole up in the new clothes. Let old Cole grow out his hair. I have no problem with any of these things. But they changed literally everything, down to his facial structure. That's not a character revamp, that's a character replacement, and it's freaking weird. If you want to make a new guy and get rid of Cole, then make a new guy and get rid of Cole. I'd miss Cole and they'd have to restart the story, but whatever. If, however, you want to keep telling Cole's story (and it is a very personal story), then the character shouldn't be changed wholesale.
The difference isn't nearly as big as that, so stop the unnecessary comparison. All they did was change his face a little and give him hair, and he is hardly an iconic character to begin with so they have the leverage to do that.Segata Sanshiro said:Oh lord. So you would be okay if in Metal Gear Solid, Snake looked like Snake, then in the next one, Snake looked like Raiden, then in the next one, he looked like an African-American with cornrows, then in part 4, he looked like Zeke from inFamous, all the while everyone calling him Snake and treating him like the same character and acting like nothing's changed?
Consistency is just as important for fictional characters as it is for live acting. Look at comic books. You know, those things that are the inspiration for inFamous?
ShockingAlberto said:Hm.
I wonder how many of the people saying "Goddamnit, I hated the old character design, this new one was great!" were the same people yelling "WHO CARES ABOUT THE CHARACTER DESIGN THE GAMEPLAY LOOKS TIIIIGHT" a few weeks ago.
SalsaShark said:This is dumb.
I get fan feedback and its nice and all, but way to believe in your concept. If they wanted to change it, change it. The way that Cole looks is not going to define if people buys the game or not.
Irish said:See, that's the thing. Old Cole and New Cole looked pretty similar. It's not like one version looked like Genghis Khan and the other one looked like Al Sharpton.
You're moving your goalposts, friend. You said:Yoboman said:The difference isn't nearly as big as that, so stop the unnecessary comparison. All they did was change his face a little and give him hair, and he is hardly an iconic character to begin with so they have the leverage to do that.
so I don't see why my comparison is unnecessary. New Cole and Old Cole are different enough to identifiably be separate people. I would not even confuse them for family. Whether or not he's iconic is irrelevant. Completely switching out the appearance of the character (all the way down to facial structure and age) creates a break in continuity between the two games, and it is totally unnecessary to do so. It's not like there's a contract dispute with old Cole. It's not like old Cole just doesn't have the acting chops to handle the role.It's not a real person, they shouldn't have to stick to the confines of one design
Ugh old Cole is so terriblecorrosivefrost said:Looks radically different to me:
vs.
(again, face shape, eyes, etc.)
Redbeard said:
New cole is so much better than old cole
This is ridiculous, Sucker Punch make the character you want, fuck the fanboys that are resistant to any change
Because there is obviously a point where changing the design dramatically is detrimental, you wouldn't do it in something like MGS. Changing a character like Cole's design while they still can is not detrimental to the product when it was so bad to begin with.Segata Sanshiro said:You're moving your goalposts, friend. You said:
so I don't see why my comparison is unnecessary. New Cole and Old Cole are different enough to identifiably be separate people. I would not even confuse them for family. Whether or not he's iconic is irrelevant. Completely switching out the appearance of the character (all the way down to facial structure and age) creates a break in continuity between the two games, and it is totally unnecessary to do so. It's not like there's a contract dispute with old Cole. It's not like old Cole just doesn't have the acting chops to handle the role.
corrosivefrost said:The more I look at new cole, the more he looks like they copied Nathan Drake. At that point, they should have just got Nolan North to do the voice. :lol
Bald generic character designs are far more prevalent than Nathan Drake knock-offsKaijima said:That's what sucks about New Flavor Cole-a. I'm sure he looks "cooler" to some people, but he also looks exactly like EVERY OTHER GUY in every other game like this out right now. He looks like he walked out of a focus testing room.
Nobody is claiming OG Cole is the best character design of all time. He isn't. Not even by half. However, he is actually not as generic as the current standard stock character in every western game.
LOL at people invoking "fanboys resistant to change" arguments for this one. No, sorry guys, this one was just people resistant to boneheaded design decisions.