-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Suda's keynote
- Thread starter John Harker
- Start date
rod furlong
Member
reminder said:
not for long!
Zoramon089
Banned
Anyone getting some serious God Hand vibes? I mean just the characters and the humor reminds me of it
Really short 1-up interview pre-conference session
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3157920
That sounds like how Fire Pro Wrestling handles grappling/moves (which Suda used to work on). I really think a system like that could work ridiclously well with the motion control.
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3157920
That sounds like how Fire Pro Wrestling handles grappling/moves (which Suda used to work on).
I really think a system like that could work ridiclously well with the motion control.EternalDarko
Member
DESTROY MAN!!!
i can't fucking wait!
need more info on the keynote.
i can't fucking wait!
need more info on the keynote.
Zoramon089
Banned
Batongen said:
What are you talking about? NMH isn't on rails
_Alkaline_
Member
Batongen said:
No on-rails movement in No More Heroes.
yeah I know, it's a sandbox game, but when he was fighting the guys at the beach he was moving left and right to meet the bad dudes and he was kind of stuttering. It could of course have been the framerate that was making me think that it has rails on gameplay, in that case excuse my observation :lol :lol
Zoramon089 said:
You're not the only one...
I'm also liking how, based on the 1up preview, that Suda51 may be putting his "Fire Pro Wrestling" experience to good use with the game's "grapple features".
Now, just make it so Mr. Touchdown can get an array of Luchadore masks, outfits and such, and we'll be good. They already confirmed that some FPW characters would serve as guest-stars, correct...?
Dark Ninja
Member
Agreed that was AWESOMEUSD said:
thanks Suda day one purchase!
rollingstart
Banned
the game looks great, I dont know why, the motorcycle part in it reminded me of Headhunter
God damn it. Suda's visual design is so ****ing awesome. Killer7 sold me by having the best trailer ever, and this one does a damn fine job living up to that.
Even if I can see the gameplay being more sloppy and that sloppiness being more noticeable since it's not on-rails. But I'll love it anyway. Suda is king. King in my realm.
Even if I can see the gameplay being more sloppy and that sloppiness being more noticeable since it's not on-rails. But I'll love it anyway. Suda is king. King in my realm.
It was a cool session, though I think it will be hard for anyone to give it a full keynote summary.
He spoke about the difference between 'game directors' and 'game producers' in 'Punk Games'.
Basically, the game producer needs to shield the director from external publisher pressures, while at the same time, the director needs to respect and understand the demands / needs of his producer.
He was a good speaker with some nice stories which got some laughs from the audience - nice talk.
He spoke about the difference between 'game directors' and 'game producers' in 'Punk Games'.
Basically, the game producer needs to shield the director from external publisher pressures, while at the same time, the director needs to respect and understand the demands / needs of his producer.
He was a good speaker with some nice stories which got some laughs from the audience - nice talk.
Very good recap from IGN
http://wii.ign.com/articles/771/771974p1.html
Of note- Grasshopper has 3 Wii titles in development, so 2 more in addition to NMH.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/771/771974p1.html
Of note- Grasshopper has 3 Wii titles in development, so 2 more in addition to NMH.
I took some notes on his talk:
The translation was a little shaky. There were two translators that kept taking turns for some reason. One was Japanese and a little less skilled at doing anything more than literal translation.
Here's my notes in bullets.
Suda was wearing a pink Kurt Cobain shirt with the lyric "Grandma Take Me Home" on the back.
He said he was from Nagano, then moved to the city, Tokyo, when he was 18.
Human was his first gaming gig. He made Wrestling games there and bailed out to start his own company a year before Human went under.
He has three creative mottos:
Call & Response (a reference to hip hop?)
Lets Punk
Crash and Build
He noted that the controls in Killer 7 were made in an effort to help players who couldn't handle 3D game controls using dual analog. Most of his friends couldn't play 3D games.
He said that people quite frequently suggest that he must be on drugs to come up with his scenarios, but he assured the audience that he's clean -- he likes to drink, but can't drink very much.
He talked at length about working with Mikami and the value of a producer protecting those working under him, such as directors, allowing them to be more creative and experimental.
Mikami sent him to E3 to check out what the American audience liked and he discovered that we prefer FPS and free movement. He and Mikami mulled the idea of doing away with the rails controls and eventually Suda made the decision to stick with the new style. Mikami said that's what he was thinking too, but had opted to leave the decision to Suda.
For Suda there are two types of game directors, business types who cater to the needs of the publisher and artist types whose primary concern is innovation.
He didn't really imply a preference to each type. In fact, he said that it's important to meet client demands if you want to make games.
He mentioned the influence of audience reception on the gaming board at 2ch and told the story of one game director who was heartbroken after bad user response there. The guy in question was emotionally paralyzed for months. The posts were pretty harsh. One user said "you should die."
Suda felt, though, that directors need to learn to get over it and learn to accept and use negative feedback to their advantage.
On game criticism and story: he noted that cinema and the culture around it is quite mature, while gaming is only really 20 years.
He made a call to game creators to be true to their initial creative impulse. He mentioned the first visceral reaction he had to seeing a video game arcade when he was young and the need to recreate that feeling in the games he creates.
He mentioned bands that created that visceral response: Joy Division, Nirvana, Stone Roses, Happy Mondays (I may have missed one)
Finally he announced an event in Japan on April 14th called Hoppers where Kojima and Mikami would be involved. The promo art was a cool recreation of an EC comics cover with Solid Snake fighting a zombie.
The translation was a little shaky. There were two translators that kept taking turns for some reason. One was Japanese and a little less skilled at doing anything more than literal translation.
Here's my notes in bullets.
Suda was wearing a pink Kurt Cobain shirt with the lyric "Grandma Take Me Home" on the back.
He said he was from Nagano, then moved to the city, Tokyo, when he was 18.
Human was his first gaming gig. He made Wrestling games there and bailed out to start his own company a year before Human went under.
He has three creative mottos:
Call & Response (a reference to hip hop?)
Lets Punk
Crash and Build
He noted that the controls in Killer 7 were made in an effort to help players who couldn't handle 3D game controls using dual analog. Most of his friends couldn't play 3D games.
He said that people quite frequently suggest that he must be on drugs to come up with his scenarios, but he assured the audience that he's clean -- he likes to drink, but can't drink very much.
He talked at length about working with Mikami and the value of a producer protecting those working under him, such as directors, allowing them to be more creative and experimental.
Mikami sent him to E3 to check out what the American audience liked and he discovered that we prefer FPS and free movement. He and Mikami mulled the idea of doing away with the rails controls and eventually Suda made the decision to stick with the new style. Mikami said that's what he was thinking too, but had opted to leave the decision to Suda.
For Suda there are two types of game directors, business types who cater to the needs of the publisher and artist types whose primary concern is innovation.
He didn't really imply a preference to each type. In fact, he said that it's important to meet client demands if you want to make games.
He mentioned the influence of audience reception on the gaming board at 2ch and told the story of one game director who was heartbroken after bad user response there. The guy in question was emotionally paralyzed for months. The posts were pretty harsh. One user said "you should die."
Suda felt, though, that directors need to learn to get over it and learn to accept and use negative feedback to their advantage.
On game criticism and story: he noted that cinema and the culture around it is quite mature, while gaming is only really 20 years.
He made a call to game creators to be true to their initial creative impulse. He mentioned the first visceral reaction he had to seeing a video game arcade when he was young and the need to recreate that feeling in the games he creates.
He mentioned bands that created that visceral response: Joy Division, Nirvana, Stone Roses, Happy Mondays (I may have missed one)
Finally he announced an event in Japan on April 14th called Hoppers where Kojima and Mikami would be involved. The promo art was a cool recreation of an EC comics cover with Solid Snake fighting a zombie.
TheGreatDave
Banned
Flynn said:
GIVE ME THE ART.
Ghengis Cohen
Banned
Interesting, if terribly disjointed, speech. Even if you don't like the guy's work it is hard not to admire his passion for doing what he wants to do and not fight against his vision to appease marketing.
viewtifulsub
Member
Brobzoid said:
iawtp
My only concern at this stage though, if Suda decided to sacrifice an indepth mature story for mainstream appeal :\
TheGreatDave
Banned
sub_zer0 said:
You can have both. The problem /best thing with killer7 wasn't the maturity of it's story so much the complex way it was presented. And the amount of blood in the trailer pretty much means it's gotta be an M, right? The story can be filled with all sorts with that freedom.
He said that people quite frequently suggest that he must be on drugs to come up with his scenarios, but he assured the audience that he's clean -- he likes to drink, but can't drink very much.
Let me digest this bit of information.
Can somebody who is not on drugs, LSD to be more specific, come up with Killer7... Can it possibly be true? What is he going to up with then if he starts using drugs... My head is going to explode.
Let me digest this bit of information.
Can somebody who is not on drugs, LSD to be more specific, come up with Killer7... Can it possibly be true? What is he going to up with then if he starts using drugs... My head is going to explode.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
yikes, sorry gents... ive been out all night since work.
thanks for the updating, ill update OP
thanks for the updating, ill update OP
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
First post officially updated with all links and articles...
enjoy! Spread the love, the game'll need the attention!
enjoy! Spread the love, the game'll need the attention!
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Flynn said:
Thans Flynn, there is a lot of really great stuff you're sharing.
Can you tell me - where a lot of people in attendance? Do other devs and pubs take Suda seriously? I know he's relatively new and niche, but he's really talented for an indie guy