Jazzy Network
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Thanks! I have a few friends that wanted to play it on their PSPs.
Or maybe even an III-IV-V-Tactics HD Collection?
Remove 4 and Tactics and I will buy it.
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Remove 4 and Tactics and I will buy it.
I beat Suikoden II yesterday for the first time. Unfortunately, I didn't get the "perfect" ending, but I did get all 108 stars. Kind of pissed on how I missed out on it after reading up about it. Debating on replaying it but I think I'll wait a bit. Definitely a great game and yes I would say overall, it's better then Suikoden 1 but not in every way.
Really, there are two things that I think Suikoden 1 did better then Suikoden 2, and it all has to do with a simplicity factor.
I found the special Star characters stood out more in Suikoden 1 and were more distinguishable. Also, I preferred the "scissor, rock, paper" big army fights over the more tactical "grid" battles in Suikoden 2. Maybe it's just me, but I never got the hang of the tactical mechanics. I'm sure I missed some explanation about the battle mechanics or something. By the end, I just let Apple take over and do the fights automatically.
Pleased I finally got to play the game after a long time wanting to.
Really, there are two things that I think Suikoden 1 did better then Suikoden 2, and it all has to do with a simplicity factor.
I found the special Star characters stood out more in Suikoden 1 and were more distinguishable. Also, I preferred the "scissor, rock, paper" big army fights over the more tactical "grid" battles in Suikoden 2. Maybe it's just me, but I never got the hang of the tactical mechanics. I'm sure I missed some explanation about the battle mechanics or something. By the end, I just let Apple take over and do the fights automatically.
Pleased I finally got to play the game after a long time wanting to.
It is still rock, paper, scissors, the only difference is your calvery, infantry, archer's and magic users are all separate.
Totally wrong.
How so?
It is still cavalry beats archers, archers beat magic and magic beats cavalry. Also they still have attack, defence and support characters.
Tiu Neo
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A pack with a game missing in the middle would be strange. They could do III + V, and IV + Tactics, or separate PSN releases, maybe.
Play the game again. Take a calvary unit and attack a magic unit. Let me know how it goes.
Benzychenz
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Starting Suikoden 1 now that it's finally released here in Australia, just wondering if there's anything I need to be careful about as far as missables and stuff goes for transferring stuff over to Suikoden 2?
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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If you intend on going for all 108 characters you may want to see if you find a non-spoiler guide on recruiting characters. Suikoden 1 has a few that are very easy to miss. One in particular has a rather small window to get.
Hours Left
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Without using a guide you probably won't get everyone, which means you won't get the best ending, which affects the file that you transfer over to Suikoden II. There's a lot of great guides out there to use, so it shouldn't be hard to find one that suits your needs.
If you want to go guide free, I'll give you some vaguely spoilery hints...
-Don't kill anyone when given the choice
-Keep Pahn's weapon and equipment up to date through the game, you'll see why
-If anyone from your army dies during a war battle, reset and try again
-Search EVERYWHERE for Stars of Destiny
-Keep Pahn's weapon and equipment up to date through the game, you'll see why
-If anyone from your army dies during a war battle, reset and try again
-Search EVERYWHERE for Stars of Destiny
Benzychenz
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Another question about the transfer, does having characters die or not being recruited carry right on over to Suikoden 2? How does it work starting 2 without a file transfer?
Or is it just needing the characters to get the true ending rather than it being the characters themselves?
Trying to decide if I want to use a guide to find everyone or just play through it casually.
Or is it just needing the characters to get the true ending rather than it being the characters themselves?
Trying to decide if I want to use a guide to find everyone or just play through it casually.
Hours Left
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Character deaths (sans one) don't transfer over. There are a few characters that can die in the first Suikoden that will appear in Suikoden II. (There is one exception to this, but the character in question is not recruitable in Suikoden II regardless, only appearing as an NPC in a sidequest.) Recruitment doesn't matter except for whether or not you got all the characters in the first game.
But it's important to remember that any dead or missing characters in the first game will preclude you from the best ending in that game, and that doing a file transfer with the "bad" end will cause you to miss out on some items. You can still get the bonus character/sidequest though with any file transfer. Without the file transfer you can still get the best ending in Suikoden II. The bonus character isn't a Star of Destiny in Suikoden II, and the items you can get from the sidequest aren't required for the best ending.
Play through it without a guide to enjoy the story and exploration.
Play again after that with a guide. Suikoden is a very short game.
Hours Left
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Morrigan Stark
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You totally just posted that to show off your super clever castle name, right?
TheGuardian
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Any non spoiler way of knowing how to get a perfect ending? I'm trying to get the 108 stars but apparently there's some other conditions, right?
Well... no. You can get the 108 stars without a guide (though some may be well hidden, and a couple are missable), but getting the perfect ending without a guide? That's nearly impossible because of some conditions which you can't possibly guess.
I would advise you to play the game twice, once without a guide, and the second time with a guide in order to unlock the perfect ending. Otherwise you can also make a save right before a very important event flag, and come back to that file later after finishing the game in order to fulfill the conditions (obviously, spoilers about the event flag in question - and only about that, my spoiler won't reveal to you what must be done in order to get the perfect ending):
keep a separate save right before the invasion of Rockaxe by your army and party
Hours Left
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I just ran into a glitch where I couldn't leave a house and had to restart. There goes a hour of gameplay time I have to do over.
What happened to the testing of this game?
The translation also might be the worst I've seen in a RPG.
"You're coming with us one way or another, Nanami." said Nanami.
That happens all the time.
On the good side of things, I recently stumbled into a cool ending just by picking different choices. I thought "no way they're going to let me do this, so I'll just pick this to see what they say" but they did let me go through with it. I wasn't expecting that.
What happened to the testing of this game?
The translation also might be the worst I've seen in a RPG.
"You're coming with us one way or another, Nanami." said Nanami.
That happens all the time.
On the good side of things, I recently stumbled into a cool ending just by picking different choices. I thought "no way they're going to let me do this, so I'll just pick this to see what they say" but they did let me go through with it. I wasn't expecting that.
SatelliteOfLove
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The dialogue was literally random dumps from the files given to the localizers, hence the rampant 2nd person problems and tone issues.
Trojita
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So I started playing this. Imported my own perfect run of Suikoden I into the game. I've already got my HQ. I've been on several recruiting drives. Just finished the first visit to Greenwall. Just picked up Hix and Tengaar. Such a lovely OTP. Shoutout to the funny responses in the quest to "cure" Tengaar.
Man, the animals in this game are OP as fuck. I have a double beat rune on Shiro the wolf and he fucks shit up. I farmed like 5 or 6 of those double beat runes, they are so good.
I'm semi worried about the glitch revolving around the cook and recipes. Apparently submitting enemy dropped recipes to him can fuck up any chance of getting the other ones and I've heard doing the cooking contests can do that as well, which I only found out after doing one. I walked in to give him some more recipes (non-monster dropped ones) and another contest was starting up. I immediately shut off the device. Are they always setup to trigger, so if I went in again would it do it again? I heard getting too far into this Iron Chef contests can mess up someone giving you an exclusive recipe only gotten if you import a perfect Suikoden I game as well.
Man, the animals in this game are OP as fuck. I have a double beat rune on Shiro the wolf and he fucks shit up. I farmed like 5 or 6 of those double beat runes, they are so good.
I'm semi worried about the glitch revolving around the cook and recipes. Apparently submitting enemy dropped recipes to him can fuck up any chance of getting the other ones and I've heard doing the cooking contests can do that as well, which I only found out after doing one. I walked in to give him some more recipes (non-monster dropped ones) and another contest was starting up. I immediately shut off the device. Are they always setup to trigger, so if I went in again would it do it again? I heard getting too far into this Iron Chef contests can mess up someone giving you an exclusive recipe only gotten if you import a perfect Suikoden I game as well.
Nose Master
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Shiro is so absurdly good with double-beat. I use him every time I play this.
Morrigan Stark
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Those collages are amazing. The first one especially, love the art style! Almost feels like Ghibli.
If I remember correctly, the glitch just prevented you from getting recipe #34 in the sewers below two river. Don't turn in any recipes into Hai Yo until you have that recipe drop from the enemies and you should be fine. But I could be wrong since its been like 10 years since I played the game.
That's by maeka. I love their art style too.
Here's the Suikoden tag from their tumblr page, if anyone wants to check out more artwork.
JumpJeff84
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Every time I try to play this game I always end up putting it down for a day or two, picking it up again, and getting completely lost. Like I literally have no idea where to go.
I'm used to old RPGs, but for some reason this stumps me every time. I'd kill for a quest marker. Really frustrating, because I dig the game when I know what I'm supposed to be doing.
I'm used to old RPGs, but for some reason this stumps me every time. I'd kill for a quest marker. Really frustrating, because I dig the game when I know what I'm supposed to be doing.
Morrigan Stark
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Oh thanks! I really liked this FFT collage too:
Neko Mimi Mode
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Valeria is the better character in battle (by far) and in the war battles too.
Kasumi gets you two characters much earlier though
(Sasuke and Mondo)
I almost always take Valeria.
The biggest problem with this game is that you need emulation to install the patches for a bug free version.
Available Bug Fixes:
Audio Bugs
Badeaux Issue
Castle Armory Bug
Castle Farm Bug
Chaco Bug
Chant Bug
Forgiver Sign Bug
Guardian Deity Plans Bug
Inn Bug
Join at 99 Bug
Kindness Rune Bug
Knife-thrower Issue
Lamb Bug
Luca Battle Bug
Matilda Gate Glitch
McDohl Name and Castle Name Bug
Recipes Bug
Rune Unite Bug
Scroll Shop Bug
Sound Set Bug
Tenzan Pass Enemies Issue
Window Set Bug
Available Bug Fixes:
Audio Bugs
Badeaux Issue
Castle Armory Bug
Castle Farm Bug
Chaco Bug
Chant Bug
Forgiver Sign Bug
Guardian Deity Plans Bug
Inn Bug
Join at 99 Bug
Kindness Rune Bug
Knife-thrower Issue
Lamb Bug
Luca Battle Bug
Matilda Gate Glitch
McDohl Name and Castle Name Bug
Recipes Bug
Rune Unite Bug
Scroll Shop Bug
Sound Set Bug
Tenzan Pass Enemies Issue
Window Set Bug
Revolutionary
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Valeria FTW
Trojita
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What personality if i may ask? I heard she does say something when you get
McDohl
I think near the end of the first game I was using Valerie a ton (I forget if she was mandatory or not during some of the story)
What's the knife thrower issue?
Damn, I might need to reload my save before fighting the worm to choose Valeria. I chose Kasumi, reading a guide mentioned it was easier to get some recruits like Hix mentioned above. I saved in Gregminster and immediately quit, then posting here asking the question lol.
Neko Mimi Mode
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Mostly just
her crush on McDohl
She's pretty meh in battle though, particularly in comparison to Valeria. As for unites:
Kasumi + Mondo - 1.5x damage to 1 enemy, 30% knockdown
Valeria + Anita - 3x damage to 1 enemy, Valeria unbalanced
Even with Valeria going unbalanced, her unite is still vastly superior than Kasumi's. Though if you've got Valeria and Anita in your team you may just be better spamming Falcon Rune for their chance at a crit (5x damage)
Augemitbutter
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man those artworks are good.
i remember my very first pick was kasumi, because ninja. i switched them every playthrough. i think i prefer valeria though.
i remember my very first pick was kasumi, because ninja. i switched them every playthrough. i think i prefer valeria though.
Tiu Neo
Member
Did you import a save from the first game?
If yes, I get Kasumi,
because of the scene with McDohl, and as a bonus I get Sasuke and Mondo early.
But Valeria is a better character, yeah.
Tiu Neo
Member
And then, there are the monsters. Rulodia is not an star, but if you get her after getting Abizboah (who is a star), you get another extra character, Chuchura. Who is also a non-star character.
The problem? If you recruit her, you use one of your listening crystals, and they you cannot get any other star monster character, making it impossible to get 108 stars.
drhankmccoyphd
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Is anyone else having trouble transferring the game to PSP? I can transfer all my other PS1 games from my PS3 but Suikoden will not let me. I bought it on the holiday sale and was looking forward to playing. The PSP is on CFW if that matters.
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