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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U DLC |OT| Mewtwo Strikes Back
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Snacks the sober sea lion
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People get uppity over winning one game and leave. They're scrubs for thinking it means anything, so forget them.
Is anyone looking for 1v1?
Cyberman65
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Yikes, I can kind of envision how frustrating that would be and you know that strat wouldn't even work on a stage with platforms. Without platforms a bunch of janky strategies work nevermind the fact that it's online to begin with. :/
Snacks the sober sea lion
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It's Snackss. I guess I could add it to my profile later.
I think I figured out why my rooms are invisible. Say something if it still doesn't show up.
Starphoenix
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If anyone is up for some 3DS matches, I'm game for a couple.
3DS FC: 2122-6914-9465
3DS FC: 2122-6914-9465
Anonymous Tipster
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Couple more Karst I gotta get something to eat soon!
OK, that's good to hear... Then the powerline adapter is doing it's job. Thanks for the confirmation! It's hard to tell sometimes with this game.
The Sarcastic Dude
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GGS Boney. Done for now.
Anybody else wanna play me?
Too much rolling and doing punishable moves, but overall you were playingn pretty good, need to fix those issues
Alright dude good games! Was especially surprised how you read my rolls with jigglypuff! Shame one rest whiffed.
Too much rolling and doing punishable moves, but overall you were playingn pretty good, need to fix those issues
Karsticles
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Can we test something? I noticed Skull Shield didn't reflect full power Shadow Ball. I want to find out if that is always the case, or if it was just too soon to reflect.
Edit: thanks for the test. I have seen Shadow Ball go through other reflectors when fully charged, too.
Anonymous Tipster
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The shot can get through the skulls if it doesn't actually hit any. It's a tight window but it's possible, have that happen with samus a lot
Ha, I'm not sure if that SD there was planned or not.
Astral/H3X
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I never win a set, unless it's someone who's clearly not as good as me. 
People catch on to me too quickly, and I get stale.
People catch on to me too quickly, and I get stale.
NamikazeBurst
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I also just had a match like that in For Glory. Some guy is playing pretty poorly with Falcon and switches to Mario. I beat that Mario quite easily. He changes his name to "UR~BORING" and we play again. I 2-stock him while only taking like 25%. I guess playing against Yoshi is too boring to do good against?
Anyone want to play a "boring" opponent?
Anyone want to play a "boring" opponent?
I can play a tad, getting sleepy already though so who knows how long
Anonymous Tipster
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Good games Karst, but I've gotta run for a bit. Definitely some improvement through that set! It was getting a lot more difficult to get in and do the damage I needed by the end there.
Thanks for playing!
Thanks for playing!
Karsticles
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GGs Blackmage. I feel like those matches were approaching evenness. Funny that the reflect doesn't matter much.
I never win a set, unless it's someone who's clearly not as good as me.
People catch on to me too quickly, and I get stale.
I have a room up. First come first play.
NamikazeBurst
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Do you want to play? I can play Karsticles if you're too tired and don't really feel like it.
GGs Blackmage. I feel like those matches were approaching evenness. Funny that the reflect doesn't matter much.
I have a room up. First come first play.
See above.
Yeah some 20 minutes or so
NamikazeBurst
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Okay room is up.
It has nothing to do with that Boney. Skull Barrier can only reflect up to 25%, anything more than that will fail to reflect. So Charge Shot does 25% full charged, but fresh bonus makes it go above that. This may also answer your question Karst on why Shadow Ball "goes through other reflectors"
From Thinkaman's writeup on Smashboards: (http://smashboards.com/threads/character-competitive-impressions.367669/page-584#post-19010834)
Reflector + Strong Projectile
No character in any Smash game has ever truly had a strong projectile and a reflector until now. Ness, Mii Gunner, and Villager all have disqualifying traits to their projectiles for purposes of this discussion.) It is a unique combination; something is normally "against the rules." (This is on top of his projectile being both very powerful and very safe, though low damage without charge.)
This means that Mewtwo can force approaches better than almost anyone. Letting him charge up and spam his super-safe 25% KO-ing death ball is a non-starter. Trying to harass him with poke is also a non-starter, though the extent to which reflectors can combat this varies as always.
But not only does Mewtwo uniquely enjoy both of these neutral advantages, he also benefits from the unique dynamic of having both with regards to enemy reflectors.
Mewtwo has a favored sweetspot range where he can throw a Shadow Ball, and Confusion it back if it is reflected! No other character in the game does this with a KO-able projectile, except Villager in very isolated cases with default Timber + Pocket.
Mewtwo's Confusion is a 1.4x multiplier. Many of you know where this is going.
Once a projectile reaches 50% (so for Mewtwo, a 2.0x multiplier), it cannot be reflected again. This means if Shadow Ball is reflected by an ordinary 1.5x reflector, and Mewtwo Confusions it back, it is now at 2.1x and will break any further Reflect attempts.
Taking into account the enemy reflector ratio...
2.1x Fox Amplifying Reflector
2.0x (Dark) Pit Amplifying Orbitars (safe on break)
2.0x Ness F-Smash
1.8x R.O.B. Reflector Arm
1.5x (Dark) Pit Guardian Orbitars (safe on break)
1.5x (Dr.) Mario Cape (default or Gust)
1.5x R.O.B. Rotor Arm (default or Backwards)
1.5x Mii Swordfighter Rainbow Slash
1.4x Fox Reflector (default or Big)
1.4x Mii Gunner Echo Reflector
1.4x Mewtwo Confusion
1.25x Nayru's Love (default or Rejection)
1.2x Falco Reflector
1.2 Mega Man Skull Barrier (can only reflect up to 25% instead of 50%, so moot point)
1.17x Palutena Reflect Barrier
1.0x Falco Accele-Reflector (increases projectile speed significantly)
...Mewtwo can select a strength of Shadow Ball that will allow him to win the ping pong (ideally max 25% where possible.) Consult the following chart:
And of course, it can still be negated/absorbed by the usual suspects:
Ness PSI Magnet (default or Forward)
Mr. G&W Oil Panic
Falco Reflector Void
Rosalina Gravitation Pull or Guardian Luma
Villager Pocket (all)
Pocket resets the multiplier to 1.9x. Villager can always Pocket Shadow Ball, but you can always reflect it back.
Mii Gunner Absorbing Vortex
In other words, Mewtwo is uniquely well equipped to fight Mario, R.O.B., default (Dark) Pit, and default Palutena at range.
Oh wow, thanks for letting me know! So a full unstaled ch will go through it every time... Interesting!
Astral/H3X
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I feel like you accidentally quoted me haaha.GGs Blackmage. I feel like those matches were approaching evenness. Funny that the reflect doesn't matter much.
I have a room up. First come first play.
Karsticles
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Nope. I was letting you know we could play.
I'll play just a few more here and leave Namikaze to you
Astral/H3X
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Oh, man I'm tired its like 1am and I haven't played in a good bit. I wish more people wanted to play in the morning. T-T
Karsticles
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Play now, sleep in later.
SoulUnison
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I still havn't seen a Mewtwo online on 3DS!
Kind of disappointed!
Kind of disappointed!
Karsticles
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If you bought both, you are probably on the Wii U.
direct_quote
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Kind of OP that Megaman gets a reflector for a custom. I kind of wish everyone had good options with customs, but for decent amount of characters they seem like an after thought.
edit: and I am still shocked with how well versed Sakurai is in classic nintendo games, Samus did not get a beam custom, or any cool customs (like a speed run custom for side b + ability to shine spark).. I would have totally mained her if she got a wave beam, spazer, ice, or plasma beam custom... Along with a power bomb (though she sort of has this).
I mean the fact that Samus is so boring and slow compared to her game counterpart is truly a tragedy..
edit: and I am still shocked with how well versed Sakurai is in classic nintendo games, Samus did not get a beam custom, or any cool customs (like a speed run custom for side b + ability to shine spark).. I would have totally mained her if she got a wave beam, spazer, ice, or plasma beam custom... Along with a power bomb (though she sort of has this).
I mean the fact that Samus is so boring and slow compared to her game counterpart is truly a tragedy..
Astral/H3X
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But I woke up early todaaaayyy.Play now, sleep in later.
Besides midnight seems to be when Smashgaf typically slows down.
Snacks the sober sea lion
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I really messed up as Little Mac. Should have done a dash up smash and instead did useless side smash. Sonic feels less cheesy to play against now that he isn't hugely rewarded for the tiniest things.
I fell for all of my own tricks playing against Falco.
I fell for all of my own tricks playing against Falco.
That last game was gonna be the last but I can't let you end in the sd
No ice missiles was the bigger crime.
Karsticles
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It loses its hitbox, though.
I don't think it is OP, I think other characters are gyped.
What character move do you think should have a reflect option?
Outside of Palutena and Megaman, everyone is an afterthought.
direct_quote
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Robin
, or at least I wish they gave Lucina customs that made her different than Marth because most of Marth's customs are uninspiring..Yah that too (I forget about fusion sometimes).
Snacks the sober sea lion
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Cyberman65
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GGs, Snacks. Really had fun during those Falco dittos, always learning a couple of stuff during dittos. Find Mario to be hard for Sonic, dunno why.
Karsticles
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Matches anyone?
Besides, Robin has no basis for a reflector in the games.
Which move should have the custom reflector?Robin
Yah that too (I forget about fusion sometimes).
Besides, Robin has no basis for a reflector in the games.
The reflector that is beat out by anything over 25% and has no hitbox, and has startup time is OP? Yeah okay.
It is kinda lame that other characters don't get as inventive customs though. And that Mewtwo gets none at all.
Robin's main issues are the lack of good movement speed and the lack of guaranteed combos out of throws (I'm all for having to read DI in the game, and Robin gets great reward for doing so, but the lack of being guaranteed + having usage tied to Levin Sword makes the gameplan for Robin unreliable).
A reflector wouldn't really help the weaknesses.
Snacks the sober sea lion
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I don't know what you learned from me other than that Falcos will walk into forward smash baits even though they know exactly what's going on.
Hahahaha oh c'mon you should've let me win there! 🐝
It's not my fault your shield is harder to see when it'll break
It's not my fault your shield is harder to see when it'll break
Sigh
NamikazeBurst
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Matches anyone?
Which move should have the custom reflector?
Besides, Robin has no basis for a reflector in the games.
Sure.
... Your Samus had enough dinosaur meat to last a lifetime. You didn't need any more.
GGs, albeit very one sided.
direct_quote
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Well Samus doesn't have a slow charge shot in the games either, or high jump boots for the zero suitMatches anyone?
Which move should have the custom reflector?
Besides, Robin has no basis for a reflector in the games.
I'm talking more about the option of having reflect along with Mega Man having a decent projectiles shuts down options for characters that rely mainly on their projectiles (like Robin).
Well the match in smashville was very very close, surprised I actually took it! You almost spiked me in the beginning and it would've been sick and then I lived to like 160% each stock
Bracket 1 here I go
It's like no more heroes here, everyone is eyeing the upper brackets throats
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