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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
So surely if Olimar isn't too small it must also mean that Ridley isn't too big.
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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Well, that was my point. Size only seems to matter if the character in question is preferable to the person posing the argument.
IceDoesntHelp
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Bowsers in it, and his size fluctuates all the time.
Size does NOT matter.
Olimar being the next best example of this.
Him being what, 2mm tall?
Size does NOT matter.
Olimar being the next best example of this.
Him being what, 2mm tall?
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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Size doesn't seem to matter to Sakurai. The Godzilla 98' advertising must have gotten to him.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
You are right, but what about Pikmin and Luigi Mansion being in Melee as trophies. I'm not sure about Brawl.
This guy got it right.
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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Only in Smash would Olimar stand a chance against Ridley.
I feel like some characters have some leeway with this kind of thing. To use marvel vs capcom 3 for example, Galactus will never be a playable character. Because he is big as shit, Dormammu has been seen just as big, but he can change size. Some characters get away with the size argument while others do not get that luxury is all I am saying.
This is the same game where humans can survive punches from the hulk, you gotta have limits some where.
This is the same game where humans can survive punches from the hulk, you gotta have limits some where.
RomanceDawn
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I don't know... What if the real Olimar took a team of Red Pikmin, got purposely swallowed and headed straight for the vital organs? I'd imagine it would look like the Fantasia inspired episode of Itchy and Scratchy.
This is a series where a robot toy from the 80s can shoot gyro tops at a plumber that shoots fireballs while a two dimensional character can hurt a blue, anthropomorphic hedgehog that is considered the fastest thing alive by flipping sausages.
I think realism is already thrown out the window. I don't think slightly changing the size of someone matters at this point.
I think realism is already thrown out the window. I don't think slightly changing the size of someone matters at this point.
JStein0222
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Its not realism , its fitting a theme and playing onto the characters strengths,
To go back into my marvel example, another reason why galactus will not be playable is because galactus works best big. He is a big scary planet eating entity when he comes around, its " oh shit" time, that is how he works best. I feel the exact same way about riddley making him small would just downplay would ridley is , I big-ass space dragon. A scary challenge , I think making him playable is lessening his ... everything. Why lower him to our level.
Hades can work because he is a size changing god, he can strike fear into the player with out being big and it works with him being small. Ridley is just kinda big, he should stay big , he is good at it.
Green Mamba
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Small references, like trophies and stickers, are a possibility, but I really doubt we'll be seeing any character or stage influence from games that recent.
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Red Pikmin are devilish little bastards...
I think Nana and Popo would put Ridley on ice.
dryuriev7777
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I just have a problem picturing Ridley in the next Smash. Either he's too big or he's scaled down to the point where he's not the big imposing squawking bird dragon he should be. I'll certainly welcome him though if they put him in.
Dark Samus should totally get in over him
Palutena should get in over everyone 
Lord_Byron28
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His form in the melee intro seems like a good build to me.I just have a problem picturing Ridley in the next Smash. Either he's too big or he's scaled down to the point where he's not the big imposing squawking bird dragon he should be. I'll certainly welcome him though if they put him in.
Dark Samus should totally get in over him
Palutena should get in over everyone
NeonZ
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Melee was developed in 13 months, that's why it managed to be so up to date. This game clearly has a longer development cycle, and updating it midway through would likely mean changing the planned design they're following, which would probably create complications and delays.
Cuban Legend
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No. Just, No.
Smash Bro's characters are built with individual levels of physics, weight and hitboxes for good reason.
Size matters, look at Bowser, he's big, heavy and strong but also big enough to be an easy target of juggling and slow enough to have trouble with projectiles. Yet, Jifflypuff is small, fast, but not as strong and very light thus prone to KO at lower percentages.
Balance in smash is everything with all these different hitboxes, special moves, weight variables and lets not forget to mention DI (Directional Influence), SDI and Momemtum Cancelling.
And if you really want to dig in, read into the different Techniques recognized in SSB64, SSBM, and SSBB.
Because in "real life" riddley would not even SEE Olimar because of the diference in size.
Than of course Olimar would step on Riddley because we totaly know that Zebes is a REALLY small planet
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Are you a fan of "Evil Cole" in Playstation DudeBros.?
RomanceDawn
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I'm sure you all discussed this a jillion times over but aside from size, would you not say Mewtwo was always depicted as this overwhelming menace with amazing powers? Pokemon Stadium kept him as the last boss, him VS your entire team. The way he was portrayed in the Anime(which Sakurai took some ideas from) and the way he actually was(power wise) in R/B/Y/G/S/C was like that of a monster. Of course being a Pokemon means he was playable regardless in his own game, but I think of being playable as the ultimate prize in respect for the character. Rather than some form of demotion. Ridley's not even that great, he dies every time he shows his face.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I know it's not direct to me but I would like to butt in. Yes, I'm. Is it a crime for me to hope that Dark Pit would get in the game?
Green Mamba
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I'm not sure what Evil Cole has to do with Dark Samus.
Concerning Ridley, if he's playable, he damn well better be huge. If it comes down to a tiny Ridley no taller than Samus and no Ridley, I'll take no Ridley any day of the week. Do him right or don't fucking do him at all.
For instance, this Ridley? No. Get that shit out of here.
That's a given...
Relative size would be taken into account. C'mon man.
We're talking in the context of Ridley and Olimar. Ridley COULD be smaller, but just big enough relative to the size of Samus to make it believable. (Like in the post above, that tiny Ridley is TOO absurd).
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Yes, you are a criminal. People that want Dr. Mario back as a separate character are also criminals.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Aww, Kid Icarus: Uprising have too many good weapons so I actually can see that Dark Pit would have unique moveset.
Haha, despite it being "wrong", I'm inclined to agree. It's an offense in my eyes too =D
I wonder how much Pokemon X/Y stuff is going to make it in the game. This is the first time a new generation of Pokemon will be coming out so close to the release of a new Smash game, so I wonder if development on SSB4 will be too far along by the time of X/Y's release to get some of the new Pokemon stuff in the there.
But I guess the inevitable delay or two would take care of that problem.
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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
I'm sure you all discussed this a jillion times over but aside from size, would you not say Mewtwo was always depicted as this overwhelming menace with amazing powers? Pokemon Stadium kept him as the last boss, him VS your entire team. The way he was portrayed in the Anime(which Sakurai took some ideas from) and the way he actually was(power wise) in R/B/Y/G/S/C was like that of a monster. Of course being a Pokemon means he was playable regardless in his own game, but I think of being playable as the ultimate prize in respect for the character. Rather than some form of demotion. Ridley's not even that great, he dies every time he shows his face.
Mewtwo while seeming like an overwhelming fight in the first place with his psychic powers, was a character you took the fight to.
Like every other villain in that game ( and possible villains Hades and such) you took the fight to them. They were something to fear with out really being something to fear they were tangible in a way . ( except for wolf because spaceship) While hades did turn big you were determined to beat him for friendship and humans and all that mushy crap.
Ridley however is something more to avoid. Samus is going on space bounty hunter adventures when giant space firebrand shows up and gets up in her grill. Ridley is better served in a roll of a boss or a surprise boss because of the nature of his character and his encounters.
" oh fuck its ridley" and sure he gets beat up a bunch of times, but he kind of has to. If he just killed samus while that would be fumiest ending to a game, it wouldn't not be the best. Galactus has gotten beat a bunch, he has to. Wthout earth all we have are marvel cosmic stories. However him getting beat does not undo his " forced to be feared status" because he is a real scary threat when he shows up , out of the fuck nowhere,
If he has different moves, go for it.
Not really - Evil Cole is the same being, while Dark Samus is Metroid Prime wearing a Samus-shaped suit. Separate beings, separate characters.
I'd be in favor of Dark Samus because the possibility for a unique moveset is there - however, I figure they'd go the easy route and just make a Samus clone that's floatier. So Ridley please.
Green Mamba
Member
Uh, no, have you played either Infamous or Metroid Prime 2/3?
Ridley needs to be absolutely monstrous, the biggest character in the game, to preserve the sort of size dichotomy with Samus that I feel is necessary to the character. This is closer, but still a little too small I think.
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How about Palutena or Medusa instead? It is a nice compromise, a way to represent the series in all forms, but to me, it seems like a waste.
Eh, I dunno, I kinda see what you're saying. Then again, I thought Nemesis in MVC3 was cool so...
dryuriev7777
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Well I liked him better than dumb Good Cole.
I know she's not the best choice but I love her. I want that phazon shotgun and morphball divebomb.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm using Dark Pit as example. Actually, I would rather to see Palutena, Medusa and Hades are being first 3 characters being in the game before Dark Pit get in.
JStein0222
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I'm about to make a poll to deduce gaf's most wanted newcomers. Can I get some suggestions?
BigEvilTurtle
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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
I played Corruption, and I understand that they are "different" characters, but we aren't limited with characters to choose from. It just seems like an uninspired choice to me. We don't need "Samus with darker colors" when there are more unique characters from the same universe that would offer a lot more variety.
It was cool however I still felt nemesis being there was a bit weird, and he i'snt ... well ridley or galactus sized, actually Nemesis in that game seemed a bit bigger than a lot of his other appearances.Please mind you , I am not on some horrible anti ridley campaign, I just what to the character the utmost respect in his representation.
You are playing the single player, you beat a bunch of stuff in a certain time, instead of master hand ridley comes in and fucks your shit. And he is like a bajillion times harder, in whatever adventure type mode they have in there.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Hmmm. How do it work? Is it like GameFaqs polls during Brawl?
dryuriev7777
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Palutena of course.
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Marvel vs Capcom 3 has some pretty wild size differences, and the game still works, so I have confidence that Sakurai could pull it off if enough effort was put into it.
It seems to me that the real issue is Sakurai's interest in the franchise.
Troubled Bat
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Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Please no
I think the Sentinel is a fairer example.
Sir Ilpalazzo
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At the very least, I don't think he's any less invested in Metroid than any of the other series in Smash Bros. It doesn't seem to get worse treatment.