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[Psycho_Mantis]

It doesn't have to be though. Producing quality games is arguably cheaper than ever, but large publishers are only really interested in selling gigantic numbers per title, instead of selling many titles moderately.

There has been a flood of really high quality games from independent developers in the last 5 years or so that were made for a fraction of the cost of many larger titles.

I knew rising costs were a problem, but I had no idea it had gotten this bad.

My comparison was to the PS1 and PS2 era. If we are looking PS3 vs PS4, PS4 for its first year has had a greater output. Although I reckon a better comparison would be total number of releases across a generation. Indies no doubt have helped reduce that differential.

 

[Nameless]

What a stupid, pointless, short sighted "review". This generation is 16 fucking months old at a time where AAA dev cycles have unprecedented length. Let's all judge it against a generation that lasted nearly a decade.

 

[wildfire]

What a stupid, pointless, short sighted "review". This generation is 16 fucking months old...

Where were you when ARStechnica, IGN, Gamespot, Polygon did their reviews last year?

*rolls eyes*

 

[Metroidvania]

Man, the amount of vitriol coming out of this is kind of silly.

Yes, the generation is relatively new, but in terms of exclusives, which was one of the main facets of the 'review', Sony's been relatively lacking in finding blockbusters.

Some of that comes down to personal opinion, of course, but he's right in that a lot of the current selection has been either remasters or multiplatform titles. Now, it could just come down to increased dev time equaling a longer 'Year 1 drought' scenario, but at the same time, the remaster/ multiplatform scenario does give some credence to the basis of his rationale for not being overly impressed in the PS4's current library.

His arguments are 'tainted' by being a PC gamer, rather than someone solely with consoles, but some of the stuff I've seen here seems like some people are personally offended by his not agreeing with their purchase.

 

[Pappasman]

I agree with him 100%. I bought a PS4 last year in anticipation of Bloodborne, P5, MGS, and FFXV. In the meantime I haven't been interested in almost anything on the console aside from a couple indie games. Its a glorified netflix box at this point and honestly I only have it so I can get those few third party exclusives I cant get on PC or Nintendo.

 

[WonderRade]

It sounds like his arguments are based entirely upon the precedent of already owning a gaming PC. So if that isnt you then not a big deal right?

 

[Opiate]

It sounds like his arguments are based entirely upon the precedent of already owning a gaming PC. So if that isnt you then not a big deal right?

Absolutely. The PS4 is a very good system to own for many other people in different circumstances.

 

[Schweinehund]

I agree with him, though I have high hopes for bloodborne.

 

[protomouse]

It pretty much reflects my perspective as a PC gamer, and it's not going to be different five years down the line. We're way past the point where consoles launch with an array of third-party exclusives that will never see a PC release, as was the case during the GC/XB1/PS2 generation. As more and more publishers latch onto the ever-growing PC platform, the rate of third-party console exclusives will diminish accordingly.

None of that really matters, because millions of people outside the enthusiast community buy consoles for the same reasons they buy ready computers at MediaMarkt. They just want a box they can unpack and use. Which is fine.

 

[Herbspiceguy]

As a gaming PC + Wii U owner, Bloodborne is literally the only game I want to play on the PS4 and it's not going to justify a purchase.

I've never heard of SuperBunnyHop before. I've been watching his game reviews one after another and they're pretty solid.

 

[SonyToo!™]

For a gamer whom exclusives are important the PS4 doesn't have much to offer especially if you don't enjoy sports and openworld/ rpg hybrids that are popular with western AAA publishers.

It's saddening that such opinions are automatically dismissed as fanboyism or trolling when such opinions are perfectly viable.

Even with Bloodborne I'd still choose a PS3 over the PS4 atm.

Edit Gamespot also released similar video comparing this gen to what had at the start of last gen
Gamespot where are all the great console games?

 

[Gsnap]

I mean, I get what he's saying, but that's the entire industry for me. PC might have new game coming out every day, but I don't want to play 99% of them anyway.

Only a handful of games are ever truly worth my time every year, so the consoles only having a few games doesn't really bother me.

 

[A.J.]

I feel like I need to state the important.
Guys...
Your PC/Wii U/whatever gets dusty even if you use it. Take time to clean that shit. I'm sick of people bringing me dusty computers to fix and I have to clean them out due to people not knowing that they get dusty even when you use them. Seriously, compressed air isn't that expensive.

 

[Boombloxer]

But for SOME people these consoles haven't brought new experiences to the table, which cannot be said for previous gens.

FTFY.

A very large portion of the market is perfectly happy with both consoles, and are fine with playing a mix of old and new stuff while more stuff comes.

GTA V sold an extra 10M on the PS4 and XB1, and still isn't out for PC. That should tell you where the priorities are.

Don't mistake a small circle for the greater market.

For a gamer for whom exclusives are important the PS4 doesn't have much to offer especially if you don't enjoy sports and openworld/ rpg hybrids that are popular with western AAA publishers.

It's saddening that such opinions are automatically dismissed as fanboyism or trolling when such opinions are perfectly viable.

They're viable, but not particularly convincing to many, because there are more games than that available. To many, the fact that they;re available on PC doesn't matter because it doesn't erase the existence of the game.

I have a high-end PC and laptop. Games I've played the most on PC? D3, Torchlight 2 and Titanfall.
I have more hours in the PS4 version of D3, still buy most of my multiplatforms there.

Literally, the only exception might be the Witcher because I need to put this 980 through it's paces, and the Long War, while tempting, is also a road to heartbreak.

 

[Naked Snake]

I've never heard of SuperBunnyHop before. I've been watching his game reviews one after another and they're pretty solid.

He may not be not be as witty or entertaining as Jim Sterling, but George (Super BunnyHop) has been my favorite gaming commentator on YouTube for years. I love his videos. His MGS3 video is epic.

 

[Grief.exe]

I feel like I need to state the important.
Guys...
Your PC/Wii U/whatever gets dusty even if you use it. Take time to clean that shit. I'm sick of people bringing me dusty computers to fix and I have to clean them out due to people not knowing that they get dusty even when you use them. Seriously, compressed air isn't that expensive.

I just did spring cleaning on my case.

Literally took the entire thing apart and cleaned every crevice and cord. One particularly dusty part was behind the front panel where the power switch/USB/etc front panel cables enter the case.

 

[thebloo]

The PS1 had a total of ~3,500 games.
The PS2 had ~3800 games.
The PS3 has a total of 812 games (so far).
There are, so far, 178 games released for PS4. If the PS4 lasts for 6 years, it will have ~700 games release for it at this pace.

http://www.listwar.com/released-games/ - 253 games apparently.

So (by your calculations) it should reach ~1000 games.

 

[Joey Ravn]

It sounds like his arguments are based entirely upon the precedent of already owning a gaming PC. So if that isnt you then not a big deal right?

That's the point, really. He's saying that he's mainly a PC gamer and he has decided to try the two most prominent consoles right now: the Wii U (because it's Nintendo) and the PS4 (because it's the one that's selling the most).

The Wii U delivers on the fun and entertainment factor, but severely lacks in the technical department (online stuff mainly). The PS4 is technically more impressive but lacks unique games, i.e. games that he, as a PC player, would play on a console.

I don't understand how so many people in this thread have missed that fact so blatantly. He clearly states that there is barely no reason for him to buy a PS4 when most of its catalog is on PC. He even mentions MGSV as an example of a previously-console-exclusive that has made the jump to PC. SuperBunnyHop is not saying that there are absolutely no games on PS4. Again, he is saying that there are barely no games on PS4 that he can't get anywhere else. Which is true for a PC gamer. And which is the entire point of this video: a PC gamer seeing what console gaming has to offer.

If it had been the other way around--a console gamer claiming that there's nothing on PC they want to play--I'm sure that 90% of the replies in this thread would have been in the lines of "Naturally!". Tsk tsk.

 

[megabytecr]

Like everything depends on what other HW you have.

If you have a PC or X1 then yeah PS4 is redundant and IMO not worth it.

If you are like me, without a good PC and no X1, then the PS4 is a very solid option. I wasn´t even a fan of PS+, but it has delivered for me.

The best combo is Wii U + PC.
Second best combo is Wii U + PS4.

The PC is getting previously console type games and a buch of indies, for the next gen I might grab just a SteamMachine and then get a console when it has a great exclusive library down the road, but PS+ is really tempting.

 

[NZNova]

I don't understand how so many people in this thread have missed that fact so blatantly. He clearly states that there is barely no reason for him to buy a PS4 when most of its catalog is on PC. He even mentions MGSV as an example of a previously-console-exclusive that has made the jump to PC. SuperBunnyHop is not saying that there are absolutely no games on PS4. Again, he is saying that there are barely no games on PS4 that he can't get anywhere else. Which is true for a PC gamer. And which is the entire point of this video: a PC gamer seeing what console gaming has to offer.

The vehemence of the reactions in this thread has been pretty surprising. Nothing George is saying is particularly outrageous - assuming the ownership of a gaming PC, there are not many compelling reasons to get a PS4 (or an Xbox One, for that matter). Nobody's saying the PS4 isn't a compelling purchase in and of itself but that's definitely how a lot of people seem to be taking it.

I'm in exactly the same boat as George on this one. I own a powerful PC, and a PS4, but I don't use the PS4 very much because there isn't much on there that I don't have in other places. I'm definitely looking forward to Bloodborne and wish that more exclusives would come out soon. I like my PS4 a lot... I just wish I had more exclusives for it.

 

[SparkTR]

Really fair point. But is it really an innovation in the PC space? I think it's a general innovation across the whole of the gaming industry that has slowly but surely affected consoles also. The fact that it started on PC's is detriment to how open development on PC's is and how much easier it is to self publish on that platform though.

Well a whole lot of the indie games coming to consoles today solely exist because of those business of model changes on PC, so to me it seems like an innovation in the PC space that benefits other platforms as well (but yeah it's starting to expand now). Not long ago while this was happening on PC, consoles were still firmly under the grasp of publishers and were at times hostile towards this kind of independent route (see XBLA withholding funds and requiring a publisher attached to be sold on their storefront).

I also still see it as a PC innovation when the majority of bigger mid-sized developers using those kinds of methods are making primarily PC focused genres that seldom release on consoles. I hope that when indie console developers start getting more in direct contact with their niches (already starting to happen with that BK inspired game) we start getting more console-focused genres being reborn. That hasn't really happened yet outside of 16-bit platformers, if this were an innovation across the industry I'd expect those console genres to have a bigger mindshare.

The vehemence of the reactions in this thread has been pretty surprising. Nothing George is saying is particularly outrageous - assuming the ownership of a gaming PC, there are not many compelling reasons to get a PS4 (or an Xbox One, for that matter). Nobody's saying the PS4 isn't a compelling purchase in and of itself but that's definitely how a lot of people seem to be taking it.

I'm in exactly the same boat as George on this one. I own a powerful PC, and a PS4, but I don't use the PS4 very much because there isn't much on there that I don't have in other places. I'm definitely looking forward to Bloodborne and wish that more exclusives would come out soon. I like my PS4 a lot... I just wish I had more exclusives for it.

Also this is a pretty new thing. New release consoles were historically a good time to move from PC to consoles. You know, people were saying PC gaming was dead early last generation for a reason, and Steam and other PC genres starting picking up pace by the end of it for a reason as well. It's just the cycle. That seemingly hasn't happened this time around, for the first time ever (?) for a new console cycles, people playing on PC are probably better off sticking to PC (and are, looking at Steam numbers, genre revivals and hardware sales), it's a new thing that I haven't seen before.